At the very top, less than 12 men control the world. A council of 7

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(Part II from post on previous page)

There are just so, so many things wrong with this picture and there is a reason why it is taught young, constantly reinforced and full of limited choices replete with threats for making the wrong one.
Yet whether you choose Yahweh’s version of good, or Lucifer’s version of evil both end up serving Rome and the scarcity paradigm which is all about economy and all about teaching people that utopia can not exist on earth but only in the heavens after death. It is about the most self defeating and limited system that you could hope to create and so much of what grew it and maintains it is violence, fear, peer pressure and worst of all a scarcity so robbing and numbing to enjoyment of the spirit that people all over the world literally look forward to a life after death because the mortal physical one truly sucks for them because it is full of deprivation, scarcity, fear, anger, prejudice and hate.

We see these boards, death to the Muslims, death to the Jews, the Christians are evil, the Jews are evil, and the Muslims are evil.

Protoplasmic Traveler is genuinely evil but amazingly no where to the extent most of these people are because I at least consider everyone and everything and ask some thought provoking questions along the way.

For at least six thousand years now, two ages of man this artificial scarcity paradigm has been in place.

Yahweh nor Thor or Horus or Christ has rode in like the cavalry to end the suffering, deprivation, violence and madness and I truly believe it plays right into the hands of those who created economy in everything including religion to think that this is all preordained as part of Yahweh’s great plan.

This is not a great plan!

Humankind needs to step up to the plate and ensure its own survival by confronting the inequities and injustices in the world.

Ultimately probably the best way anyone who really wanted to honor their concept of Yahweh is to do that in a loving, truly peaceful, truly committed way by utilizing the best of the esoteric knowledge and wisdom put forth in the Bible.

Baltar loved Odin enough to guard the Rainbow Bridge with his last breath in the Eddas yet how angels felt about Yahweh or Yahweh felt about them doesn’t have a whole lot to do with the real lessons of love and compassion and common sense and wisdom that are going to be the only thing that turns the tide in this pitiful situation.

If Yahweh is a father there comes a time in every child’s life when they must stand and make it on their own.

This would be that time, this would be the place.



[edit on 17/3/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

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Honestly if there was a Temple to Bacchus and an orgy going on, that’s where I would likely be right now! Rome began conquering the world through its famous entreaty “Rome offers you war or peace it matters not to Rome which you decide”

Honestly Proto, who wouldn't go to the place with the Orgy? The same can be said of God in regards to Rome. God offers salvation or damnation, although it matters to Him in that He wishes none to perish. So you see I can in no wise deny Him just as you can in no wise acknowledge Him. It is an impossibility on my part.

I know there comes a time when a child must leave his father and stand on his own. The thing is, He never leaves me. Does this mean that I cannot see the hijacking of religion and how it used to control and steer the masses? No. I just know that there is more that I'm being shown and it's for a reason. A reason for the good that we spoke of earlier.

Are your thoughts and beliefs a jeopardy to my faith? Absolutely not and I believe that they are a cold dark assessment of a reality that we both find ourselves in and reading your thoughts actually reinforces my belief that we have and are being misled. In my thoughts I know God doesn't want the current plan to unfold.

Why hasn't He offered a postcard or direction or something tangible that we can all grasp and find common ground with? The answer is in His word. We have not because we ask not. We blame and point the finger skyward and say why have you let this happen? We have not because we ask not. Yes it is true someone will cry in the name of God before they blow themselves up or run into a hail of gun fire, but they are declaring this as their justification. God has nothing to do with their motivations.

Yes they've been tricked by someone or something into believing that this is what God wants, but you and I know it is very far from the truth. You see God as responsible in these things but I see something else. Something that everyone is missing because of the control mechanisms that have been figured out long ago. I believe these people know deep down that what they are doing is wrong but they suppress it and focus on their reality.

In one particular story in the Bible, the people were led by God. God gave them direction and dealt with any intruding armies. The people had to do nothing. Soon though they began seeing the Kings of other lands and how majestically they led their fierce armies onto victory with the spoils of war those nations were prospering. Well here they are with no king and no army and they were fine and all but....

They demanded a King. They demanded a king to go forth into battle for them and defend their nation. God gave them what they wanted and stayed out of their affairs. It worked out alright for a little while and then all hell broke loose. They wondered how God could do this to them. You see, they opted for the system of man. That very same system that is at the heart of all of these things we seek to uncover.

Collectively we follow the system and it sustains us. Were we to realize that God would have things much differently and ask Him to show us how He would do things, I believe things would be much different. At this point in the game it is going to take quite a bit for people to realize this. We may be on different brain wave patterns but the overall realization that something is not right is exactly the same.

I do not find offense in anything you write my friend. I find common ground and understand where you are coming from. Am I trying to make you believe the things that I believe? No. I wouldn't do that any more than you would make me believe in the tooth fairy. There is an agenda afoot and it has nothing to do with God but everything to do with His opposite.

Now let's say the guy who just cried out God's name and blew up thirty people is standing before his creator. God wishes that non would perish. Does an all loving God realize that this poor guy was tricked into murdering people in His name? I believe so.

Or how about all the first born of Egypt? Do you think they are roasting in an eternal hell? I don't believe so. You see the God of the Bible that I see and know does not interfere unless we ask Him to. This is where all this looking is leading me. To make people realize that they are being tricked and it has nothing to do with God.

2Chronicles 7:14 if my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

I remember a post that you made about George Bush saying that he hears things from God. I remember that too. I seen it on television. I know the poster that was saying that wasn't true said you cannot find evidence of that but I remember it quite clearly. He said God told him to invade Iraq. What the hell? These are our leaders. Now had he said Unocal told him to invade Iraq I would have believed him.

The sad truth is, many people believed him and who get's the blame? Exactly right, God. You see God can set up shop in downtown Miami and invite Proto and his band to play the scene for Him as he metes out justice to the real evil doers, but we don't ask Him to. We justify our existence in the system and point the finger. It will take a world wide realization my friend. Exactly what we are doing here. Who knows where it will lead?

Maybe in the end we will see the man behind the curtain. Maybe we'll see the real God. Who knows. At least we can say we did our part. Unless of course we hang out too long at that Temple to Bacchus and forget the cares of the world!

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Since you bright Troy into the discussion, I will bring Sparta into it, with Menelaus.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Menelaus

In Greek mythology, Menelaus (Ancient Greek: Μενέλαος) was a legendary king of Mycenaean (pre-Dorian) Sparta, the husband of Helen, and a central figure in the Trojan War.

He was the son of Atreus and Aerope, and brother of Agamemnon king of Mycenae and leader of the Greek army during the War.

Prominent in both the Iliad and Odyssey, Menelaus was also popular in Greek vase painting and Greek tragedy; the latter more as a hero of the Trojan War than as a member of the doomed House of Atreus.

When it comes to divide and conquer, no other Kingdom knew it more, than Sparta.

And the story of the Siege of Troy is one of antiquity to be remembered for vanity.

It was believed no one could ever take the Trojans because they hid behind their walls.



Back to the topic at hand though, it has been rumored many times, the world is ruled by bankers, the Seven World Bankers, men who run the world at their whims.

These men are supposed to be so powerful they fear no man, Government, or power.

Because they hold the purse strings of the world, you give them power with each and every purchase, and become slaves to their greed through your own ignorance.

Deny Ignorance

The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve

[edit on 17-3-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

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See, the One God, in legend, goes back to Atlantis. The Law of One was a belief in a single spiritual energy that connect all life-not just on Earth-but the whole universe. It was the religion of Atlantis and other pre-flood societies.

Some suggest Eden was Atlantis, but I'm not committed to that belief. The same minority, who believe the Eden-Atlantis connection, conclude the story of Noah is an escape from Atlantis.

(The CIA discovered an ark on Mount. Ararat, but the picture is classified. How could a wood structure survive that long? (it's scientifically possible) But what if it wasn't wood....)

The Gnostic Biblical texts document the real sermon on the mount, in which Jesus tells his followers that "God is within you and all around you" The God spirit is within all of us. However, the Roman Catholic Church (who were built upon the old Roman religious temples) did not want new converts being told we didn't need organised religion. If God was inside us, then why would you need to go to Church? Have a minister pray for you, hear your confessions? Jesus literally told his disciples that we had a direct line to God and the god of the old testament is not the true god. Read your Bible, there is more than one god.

There is no question that Constantine the Great did rewrite Christianity for the Imperial mentality and Roman war machine too. Instead of a doctrine for peace, it became a system of conquest and control. Roman temples provided huge tax revenues and profits for the Empire, Christianity risked removing a significant part of the economy. That's why majority of the Pagan holidays suddenly become Easter and Christmas!

The Ottoman Empire carried out the same structured planning and authorisation on the Qu'ran too. The Bible, Holy Qu'ran and Torah are all heavily edited and censored by religious authorities.

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There is no doubt in my mind that the Catholic Church is behind a lot of the misinformation and blatant distortions that we find in religion today. Look at the state of the world we are in. We can see the obvious hatred that is being fomented and yet everyone is silent on the major issues.

If you could call a world wide press conference anytime you wanted, like the Pope is able to do, wouldn't you address the people and try to make them realize the truth? Call on all the faiths to reconsider what it is God meant for everyone? The Pope plays all sides and is silent about what plagues us.

They have their own telescope and those archives they hide probably would reveal an awful lot. Instead, the Pope makes brief appearances here and there and really does not say much at all. Everyone kisses his ring and we are supposed to take this as a significant effort to help man kind. I don't even want to get into the money thing with them.

How about the castrated statues that adorn their buildings? That is some seriously wacky stuff. Who in their right mind would demand that the statues be discreet like that? They were beautiful works of art at one time and now their is a crate of stone penis somewhere. Talk about homophobic.

I have no doubt we have been misinformed and even lied to. It's all about the control. I have heard about the CIA's pictures of Ararat as well. I am guessing that with the technology they had in times past, it was quite a vessel indeed. How do we know for example that the two of every living animal wasn't dna samples? We know there was some kind of genetic work going on with the mention of the men of renown they created. The ark may very well have been a floating laboratory of some sort.

The tower of babel also intrigues me. We know man was one at that time and anything they imagined they could do. They wanted to build a tower that was for reasons I cannot discern. The thing that gets me about this story is how man was one and anything they imagined they could accomplish. We know we too are being pushed to become one again.

The technological advancements that have been pushed may be far enough along now to warrant their need for us to become one again. We know it is not that far off.

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The Tower of Babel, according to The Book of Jubilees was aprox. 1.5 miles high. The notion, behind its creation, was the post-flood survivors migrated from the East in order to build a structure-to highlight the wonders of a united humanity and global language.

Yahweh was angered and insulted, the Tower of Babel was built to worship the common strength of man-not Yahweh.

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The phrase that comes to mind is "turbidity". Nope, that term is not a normal term outside of discussing water treatment. But when you find that the turbidity is high in the water, that means you have a physical contaminant like dirt present, and the turbidity level correlates to how much dirt is present.

The best ways to decrease turbidity is to:

1. ensure a deep enough water source that it can settle and you can access a layer of clean surface water

2. don't stir up the water. make it calm.

The reason i bring this up, is it seems that there is a chance that mankind can be recovering from a period of great turbidity. Who/what we are was altered (temporarily) by some event. Possibly, it has been prolonged via a management strategy from a ruling class. Who knows. But i think you are right. I think the turbidity is decreasing in the human population, and the curve is turning into a hockey stick.

All across the west, people are forgoing their traditional religions in favor of a "new age" approach that focuses more on deed and less on ceremony. It is more about substance, and closer to peoples hearts.

We all know what is right and what is wrong. Most of us, if never exposed to religion, would likely not have bad feelings about it in the slightest. The concept is solid: there is a creative force that supercedes everything else. You can either believe it to be sentient, or not....but in the end you revere its power and appreciate its beauty just the same.

There is no theism. It is about action and deed.

Proto, i have really enjoyed this thread. Outstanding, outstanding philosophical concepts. Thank you for sharing.

Something i wanted to comment on regarding the prior mentions of the false scarcity that fuels our economy.

Greed is a response to scarcity. You don't horde if you don't fear going without (except pathological situations, such as mental illness or OCD). You don't want more than you need if you have not been left wanting for your needs.

Greed fuels mankind. It is what motivates mankind. The fear of not having enough will drive man to work well beyond what is healthy, and will drive man to commit any act, no matter how heinous.

A nation without greed would mean a nation without scarcity. It would mean a nation of people who were able to pursue their own interests on a higher level. How do you motivate and/or control such a people? People in such a state become self guided, and see no need to reach for the brass ring that others put in front of them.

The whole thing gives me vertigo, mentally. The whole interconnected picture of how it all works. But pointing out that scarcity, or the perception of scarcity, is how we drive people. Is this on purpose, like a grand conspiracy? I don't know. But, even as a manager, it is a tactic that is used on employees AND customers to gain. Of course, the gain comes as a response to a perceived scarcity as well.

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Yahweh was angered and insulted, the Tower of Babel was built to worship the common strength of man-not Yahweh.

Well herein lies the problem then. You see we have structures now that celebrate the common strength of man. I do not believe that if the tower's purpose was to celebrate this common strength, that God would have destroyed it.

Now I know the Bible is questionable to you and Proto but I am referencing it because I believe there are clues in it. The Bible tells us that man could accomplish anything that they could imagine during this time. We both know the imagination of man is limitless. The problem God had with this is that every imagination that man had at that time was evil.

Had man imagined good and worked toward those goals would we still have that tower? In my opinion, yes. This leads me to more questions. Why was every imagination in the heart of man evil at this time and where did they get the technology that they had?

Also, Jesus did in fact tell us that we had access to God Himself.

Originally posted by jackflap
Also, Jesus did in fact tell us that we had access to God Himself.

But, the New Testament does not state that God is a spirit that is inside us, all around us and we have the ability to use it. The Roman Catholic Church does not like the notion of God being an energy source that is a universal tool, with unlimited access to Him.

The problem with the Bible is simple: Constantine the Great ordered its creation and the books were carefully selected. In some case edited. When carefully reading the Bible, you'll notice references to the deleted sections:

# Mentioning of Sophia (the Goddness)
# lilith - Adam's first wife.
# Cain and Abel not twins. Cain the son of Satan or Lilith
# Solomon's ring, that God gave to him to control the demons.
# Daniel and Solomon were both sorcerers too.

The God energy is explain in Christian mysticism. The Key of Solomon and Lesser Key of Solomon are not Satanic books written by Aleister Crowley, but Judo-Christian mystical books.

The Lesser Key of Solomon contains a selection of prayers from the Creator (the God that Jesus came from), which came via a revelation from an angel. This tiny pieces of information, are apart of a grand collection of forbidden knowledge that the Vatican would rather keep away from Christians.

Christianity and Islam are the two main religious doctrines, that the New World Order, use to control the population.

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ProtoplasmicTraveler, Your stunning insights about the secrets and hidden powers of Rome, you are sharing here, are imo the most troubling but the most interesting conspiracy theory.

these revelations you disclosed here about who are really pulling the strings of power are imo, so crucial, i promise, i will do my best to spread this knowledge...

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Perhaps one of the most damaging concepts and notions instilled by Rome through the Bible JackFlap is the concept of Original Sin.

The concept of Original Sin is part of a conspiracy that utilizes the scarcity paradigm that the wise and furry man from Texas has spoken so eloquently about and combines it with the Duality of Man.

Our minds are divided into competing hemispheres. This is a physical trait as well as a mental one. The ancient Chinese philosophers called these competing hemispheres of the brain the Ying and the Yang. Freud called them the Id and the Ego.

As I have mentioned before in the thread the battle beyond mirrors the battle within.

The world is in so much conflict because in reality we are in so much conflict. Conflict that is born from the competing hemispheres of our brains, do you want chicken tonight or beef, would you prefer to get to work early or just try to make it on time, will you wear the red tie or the blue tie today? This eternal and internal struggle within our minds is perpetual and never ending.

Decisions, decision and yet more decisions, debated over and over and over again. Sometimes this leads to inaction, sometimes it leads to resoluteness of purpose and sometimes it leads to what we all like to say come Election Day: “Choosing the lesser of two evils”.

Yet more often than not if our decisions don’t really exceed our expectations in their outcome we then similarly wrestle with feelings of remorse, guilt and sometimes even self loathing dependent upon the decision that we have made and its outcome. Maybe the chicken didn’t come out so good tonight and in retrospect you are thinking wow I really should have had the beef, maybe you got to work early and there was nothing to do and your boss didn’t show up for a half hour and now you are wishing you would have tarried and dallied a bit along the way, even more so when your office romance laments that you picked the red tie and she thinks the blue brings out the sparkle in your eyes!

Meet original sin otherwise known as the duality of man.

The scarcity paradigm is literally designed to give us choices we are bound to lament as we struggle 85% of our waking hours just to eek out sustenance and keep ourselves sheltered and warm. It is literally designed to play upon our feelings of guilt over our decisions by giving us a slate of typically bad decisions to choose from. Do I throw a coworker under the bus to get that promotion I need to get the raise I desperately need to get my children the shoes they desperately need? Do I tell the cashier who gave me change for a fifty I only gave them a 20.00 when it was my last 20.00 and I desperately need the money? Do I tell that pretty girl who I am in lust with I am really rich and drive a Ferrari because I know that’s what she is more interested in than my good looks and charm?

The artificial scarcity paradigm is designed to create feelings of guilt and the concept of original sin is designed to convince you that the scarcity paradigm is in fact the just punishment for your guilt.

You have mostly bad choices to make because your choices are completely and purposefully limited by the people who control information and resources.

Once you make a bad choice because of that you are bound to have feelings of guilt and remorse.

You are bound to feel like you have sinned and are evil or weak in nature and now because you have those feelings of guilt and remorse you are more apt to accept a bad lot in life caused by the scarcity paradigm as being a form of punishment by God or Karma!

You are further bound to believe that your own decisions are questionable and to look to authority in the form of Priests and Government Officials who are always happy to tell you what to do.

What do they tell you to do? Accept the scarcity paradigm! Its God’s will you see says one, it’s an imperfect world says the other! We simply have to make do the best we can.

Meanwhile a few thousand people who between them control the bulk of the world’s resources and wealth are literally laughing their behinds off all the way to the bank!

Religion as it has been put forth in the Bible is a circular trap that is basically designed to get you to accept that you must accept a world full of deprivation and scarcity and that you and all people are inherently bad and that is why scarcity is so prevalent.

The truth is people aren’t bad JackFlap they just make a lot of bad decisions because their rulers, and their priests for the most part only purposefully provide them with bad choices!

The Roman Bible is meant to enslave people to these concepts.

The Christ sect was after all a slave’s religion.

It is literally a religion and a doctrine designed to enslave your mind and spirit and keep you in eternal conflict and play upon your jealousies, vanity, guilt and desires for vengeance.
It is further designed to extol you to meekly and humbly accept this lot in life and to not question these things as they are God’s will.

But it’s not God’s will it’s Rome’s will and Rome runs a slave planet.

What did the people do to have God destroy the Tower of Babel, you might want to ask yourself if in fact such a thing really occurred and why hasn’t he intervened since?

It is much more likely a jealous survivor of the pre-Flood era destroyed it, or otherwise ruthless men destroyed it.

Destroyed it in fact as part of the scarcity paradigm that the planet is ruled by!!!

By the way something very odd seems to have happened to the World Trade Centers too! Go figure.

Originally posted by Investigateconspiracies
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ProtoplasmicTraveler, Your stunning insights about the secrets and hidden powers of Rome, you are sharing here, are imo the most troubling but the most interesting conspiracy theory.

these revelations you disclosed here about who are really pulling the strings of power are imo, so crucial, i promise, i will do my best to spread this knowledge...

Thanks my friend. I stumbled on so much of this purely by accident but the more I researched it hoping to find something that would dismiss it the more I found things instead that support it.

It is in my humble opinion the conspiracy at the core of just about every other conspiracy out there.

I have no doubt that Rome's principals and it's many secret societies are driving world events still, and are the New World Order.

A lot of people are finding validity in it, and with luck, if enough people become aware of it, we can prevent the imprisonment of the human race and begin to evolve towards our true potential.

There must be a better way and life than the one we are finding under this present system.

Spread the word and thanks for posting.

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I think you are right. It IS the underlying conspiracy.

The Nazi regime is another major connecting piece, but the Nazi's have their history tied up with Rome, too. I have read that much of the hierarchy of Rome hailed from the Bavarian region. The Germans have a very rich and long historied culture.

There is a story there. It seems like it is just beneath the surface, tantalizingly close.

It is tied right in to the reading i have been doing lately, as well. You are gonna have my mind buzzing with this stuff.

So, when do you start that thread?

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Charlemagne became the first Germanic/Lombard Holy Roman Emperor and made Berlin the Capitol of the Holy Roman Empire for centuries.

Much of our modern concepts of law and government were instituted under his rule. The Bavarian, German and Prussian Princes were all princes off the Holy Roman Empire and pledged to protect the Pope and Rome at all costs.

King George the King who granted us our so called independence which in all reality was nothing but an incorporation of the United States into the Holy Roman Empire was from the House of Hanover and his Father was the last known emperor of the Holy Roman Empire and King George himself was the last known prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire.

The House of Hanover was discretely changed to the House of Windsor to distance the British Royal Family from its Germanic roots.

The Nazis themselves and the Vatican and Pope were especially chummy my friend.

Rome has more heads than a Hydra and more lives than a cat!

I have been working on writing out a number of passages for the new thread. This one taking off again as well as some others have kept me from getting it finished and posted, but hopefully sometime next week I will have it all laid out.

There really is so much information over such a span of time to cover.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

You are bound to feel like you have sinned and are evil or weak in nature and now because you have those feelings of guilt and remorse you are more apt to accept a bad lot in life caused by the scarcity paradigm as being a form of punishment by God or Karma! You are further bound to believe that your own decisions are questionable and to look to authority in the form of Priests and Government Officials who are always happy to tell you what to do.

Proto, first and foremost I must thank you for making a lot of things clear to me. You're honest and forthright in all of the posts you make and it is evident to me that you actually care about people. There is no selfishness or an agenda of any kind that I can discern. I love reading your posts and they are much appreciated my friend.

Aren't these things you are revealing something God would want us to realize? Could it be that you are revealing the very plan that God would want us to confront? Just my thoughts, but I know from past experiences that God uses the most unlikely of people to bring his messages. I am not talking about a religion but The Most High God. Apart from religion. I could go on and on here but I'll be considered a nut case.

I truly appreciate these posts of yours and implore you to continue. Either a new thread on the whole thing or continue on here.

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But, the New Testament does not state that God is a spirit that is inside us, all around us and we have the ability to use it. The Roman Catholic Church does not like the notion of God being an energy source that is a universal tool, with unlimited access to Him. The problem with the Bible is simple: Constantine the Great ordered its creation and the books were carefully selected. In some case edited. When carefully reading the Bible, you'll notice references to the deleted sections:

I see what you are saying my friend. I actually heard of the lilith thing before and the excluded books of Solomon. I do find it very strange and disturbing. I believe in the books concerning Solomon that he was able to utilized demons in the construction of the Temple. I found it so disturbing that I never researched it!

I could quote scriptures that tell us that the kingdom of Heaven is inside of us. I'm not sure about the spirit of God. Could it be that the instruction of how to realize our own potential has been purposely kept out of our reach? It would not surprise me to learn this.

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Would love to watch these videos but youtube removed due to terms of use violation.

Garbage ass youtube.

Any other links to the videos? Or perhaps a torrent that someone could provide?

and remorse you are more apt to accept a bad lot in life caused by the scarcity paradigm as being a form of punishment by God or Karma! You are further bound to believe that your own decisions are questionable and to look to authority in the form of Priests and Government Officials who are always happy to tell you what to do.

Aren't these things you are revealing something God would want us to realize? Could it be that you are revealing the very plan that God would want us to confront? Just my thoughts, but I know from past experiences that God uses the most unlikely of people to bring his messages. I am not talking about a religion but The Most High God. Apart from religion. I could go on and on here but I'll be considered a nut case.



You talking about "that matreiya thing"?

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You talking about "that matreiya thing"?

No not at all. These were just musings in my own mind that I conveyed through the post. You see I always felt something was not right with everything. Ever since I could remember. I chalked it up to upbringing or something along these lines.

I see now that there is an agenda that has been ongoing and I believe what Proto is describing is that agenda. It's huge and very complex. I don't understand it in its entirety yet but I am working toward that end.

That is why I was encouraging Proto to start a thread on this very subject. He has done a lot of looking into it and it lead him to quite a few startling conclusions that everyone would enjoy.