At the very top, less than 12 men control the world. A council of 7

Originally posted by jackflap
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You talking about "that matreiya thing"?

No not at all. These were just musings in my own mind that I conveyed through the post. You see I always felt something was not right with everything. Ever since I could remember. I chalked it up to upbringing or something along these lines.

I see now that there is an agenda that has been ongoing and I believe what Proto is describing is that agenda. It's huge and very complex. I don't understand it in its entirety yet but I am working toward that end.

That is why I was encouraging Proto to start a thread on this very subject. He has done a lot of looking into it and it lead him to quite a few startling conclusions that everyone would enjoy.

There is indeed so much that Proto says for all of us to wrap our heads around and it does make plenty of sense when you come to terms with the possibility of it being true.

Proto, despite some people being against your 'life story' and it sounding a little too much like a fantasy story I would like to hear more of what happened after your encounters with the political and business elite and how all of that lead to this day.

So much of what you say is mind opening and inspiring, I may just have to start calling you V. Anyways, thanks to the FurryTexan and others who have equally been contributing great insight on all of this.

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Charlemagne's policy of "renovatio Romanorum imperii" (reviving the Roman Empire) was an idea that heavily influenced Hitler. It was suggested Mussolini and his Terza Roma (Third Rome) was recommended to Hitler who, like Mussolini, had a deep fascination with the Roman Empire.

"Il Duce" was a title, that Mussolini used as the new term for the Prime Minister of Italy. He, like Hitler, incorporated the Roman Salute into public events and Parliamentary business. Il Duce was an apparent phrase that date backs to Rome, but no evidence shows it. Roman symbols, however, were incorporated not just into Italian government buildings but in the US House of Representatives too.

The fascist symbolism dates back to the Roman Republic.

Lateran Pacts of 1929 between the Kingdom of Italy and the Holy See gave birth to the modern power structure of Rome and the Vatican.

In the 21st Century, in reference to Rome and Mussolini's Terza Roma, review the current structure of the European Union. Especially its Union for the Mediterranean, which is a sub section of the EU. Looks familiar?

Union for the Mediterranean

Western Roman Empire and the Byzantine Empire? View the old maps. Rather interesting similarity.

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In my humble opinion more than anything what we begin to see starting with Charlemagne and the advent of the Holy Roman Empire was the continuation of Rome as a business and a philosophy through both its physical protection and the power of being able to evoke its name and speak for it and the Christian/Catholic religion.

While Rome’s own armies became virtually non-existent and Italy had fallen largely into a state of decay powerful warlords and kings like Charlemagne saw a huge advantage in protecting Rome, the Vatican and the Pope itself and using that as a form of moral authority.

From Britannia to Moscow the icons of Christianity and the legends of Rome and Roman power were all being extorted to lend credibility and authority to the emerging states, principalities, nations and their rulers.

In so many ways this not only protected Rome but took the heat off of Rome as the source of Roman power was no longer emanating from Rome itself but instead places like Berlin and London and Moscow.

Yet all remained beholden to Rome in one fashion or another. One has to wonder in essence why since Rome literally had no more armies to project its power, will or dominance.

On the surface the most obvious answer is the morality of the Christian religion and the City of God concept Rome had created and the extortion of facing purgatory in eternity for not following Roman Religious Law.

That’s until you take the time to look at Switzerland and the two very pertinent facts that the Swiss Guards were created to safeguard and protect the Vatican itself and Switzerland itself turned into the chief source of the International Banking Empire which it still more or less remains today.

What is Rome’s real power over the world’s leaders and empires that have come and gone, is it the way it can use religious morality to unilaterally convince faithful people that a empire or its leaders have erred in God’s eyes and the citizens risk a horrible price for that, or rather is it because they are the source of the monetary wealth and banking credits that empires and nations need to build, grow, project their own power and provide a level of prosperity and opportunity for its citizenry as a result for submission to Rome?

One might argue it’s a little of the former but a whole lot of the latter if you are really looking throughout the ages at the status and the protections the Swiss have enjoyed right along with the Vatican and the Pope.

Charlemagne in many ways was the beginning of awarding out franchises of Rome to rulers and warlords committed to protecting it, its principles and furthering its plans along.

Rome no longer had to protect itself it’s protection would be in the form of other powerful nations that would safeguard it but just as importantly in the illusion that it in and of itself had grown so weak it could only survive with the protection of other nations and rulers. That has long made it hardly appear a threat to anyone.

Even more fascinating and telling is the fact that tiny Seborga has also enjoyed its own sovereignty and independence in much the same way throughout the centuries with first the Piedmont Kings of Sardinia and then the Vatican itself guaranteeing their protection and independence. Why all the fuss for a little parcel of land smaller than most small towns?

In part what makes Rome ultimately so powerful is they deception it’s based upon is a dual edged sword for any nation or ruler who wields it or gets in bed with it.

If the lies of Rome are ever exposed along with its many complex allegiances everyone involved falls from the inevitable lack of credibility and the backlash from the peoples should the truth ever be known?

That last factor alone so binds the nations and principles of the Roman Empire together as to make it literally impossible for them to ever abandon the plans or its system.

When you consider how important Israel is to the culmination of Rome’s plan to install a one world government and when looking beyond the Dogmas of the Third Reich and Hitler to realize that those crimes against humanity was what really propelled the Jews of the world in Diaspora to start flocking back to Israel you begin to realize based on pre-World War II immigration records into Palestine that the Jews and the Zionists would have never reached a sizeable enough population to effect the critical mass in numbers that would be required to displace the indigenous Arabs in Palestine.

If true it is but one more example of the incredible lengths Rome goes to in order to carry out its own self fulfilling prophecies while working through proxies that almost entirely dispel the notion that Rome itself is driving the events and the nations of the world.




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To better understand just how important tiny Seborga is in the scheme of the Roman deception and Empire it helps to understand what relation it really plays to Rome and it’s extreme benefit.

Currently considered a micro-nation it was one of the original and founding states of the Roman Republic. It had historical and religious significance in the Roman Republic well before the birth of Christ as its fabled hill was considered by the ancient Romans to be Mt. Olympus the home and stairway to the Gods.

Yet of all of the Roman Republic’s and Empires vast holdings it is the only spot on earth to never come under the control of any other nation since. Besides being the reputed resting place of the remains of Christ alleged to have been discovered by the Templar Knights who were founded in the Seborgan Abbey, and also being the reputed resting place of the Roman Imperial Scepter it also enjoys the highest exchange rate in the world for it’s minted currency, and most likely it is where Caesar spent the remainder of his life after the assassination attempt against him in the Senate failed and Octavian, Lepidus and Anthony conspired to make it seem successful.

It is so tiny and so out of the way and appears because of that to be so unimportant it became the ideal hiding place for Rome’s most safeguarded secrets.

When Napoleon out of desperation first attacked Switzerland and then the Vatican itself after loosing Rome’s support for his failure to bring the independent Czars of Russia under the Vatican’s Swiss/Rothschild Banking empire he foolishly thought sacking the Vatican and carrying off its archives to Paris would provide him both the secrets and leverage he needed to protect himself from Roman displeasure and revenge.

What Napoleon failed to understand though is that Rome’s deepest darkest secrets aren’t in the Vatican Archives as many suspect but in fact hidden in Seborga where no one would think to look for them. The very last independent Roman State that has never been anything but Roman from its inception, so small as to seem inconsequential and the perfect place to hide things in virtually plane sight in case someone like Napoleon ever went after Rome and the Vatican itself.

Seborga is likely the key that keeps the Roman Empire safeguarded and functional to this day.

The Principality of Seborga' (Italian: Principato di Sebrga) also known as Seborga is a small town, and self-proclaimed principality, located in the flowery back hills of Liguria, in north west Italy, near the French border and the sovereign principality of Monaco. With a main economic activity of horticulture and tourism, Seborga is the most famous Italian micronation in the world, folloewd by the defunct Rose Island. edit History and principality Unlike most micronations, Seborga does have an indisputed past as a feudal state, albeit not as a hereditary principality, but an ecclesiastic one which clearly no longer exists. In 954 its territory was ceded by the counts of Ventimiglia to the monks of Lerino, the Cistercian monastery was founded. In 1079 its abbots were also made Princes of the Holy Roman Empire, temporally in chief of the principality of Seborga.

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"Seborga's history stretches back to the Middle Ages," notes the Wall Street Journal, "when a local monastery and then crusading Knights Templar ruled it under a constitution that local historians assert make its parliament the oldest in Europe. Mr. Carbone said that Seborga had been recognized by the Vatican as an independent state, and had never officially been made a part of Italy. 'He was right as a matter of law,' says Guy P. Dancosse, a Montreal lawyer hired by Seborga to pursue its legal claims at the International Court of Justice. But, adds Mr. Dancosse, 'the international bodies are not inclined to recognize what we call the ministates.' "Mr. Carbone set about achieving international recognition" the WSJ notes. "In addition to local coinage, there was the Seborgan army -- a single individual outfitted in a ceremonial uniform who was said to function as Mr. Carbone's bodyguard." "For the most part, Italy took a hands-off attitude as long as Seborgans paid their taxes. "We pay taxes like all other foreigners who work in Italy," Mr. Carbone told the Washington Post in 1997.

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Seborga is situated along Provincial Road 57 in Imperia. The nearest freeway access is at the Bordighera exit on the A10. The nearest railway station is also the one in Bordighera, on the Ventimiglia-Genoa line. Main article: Principality of Seborga In the early 1960s, Giorgio Carbone, then head of the local flower-growers co-operative, began promoting the idea that Seborga retained its historic independence as a principality. By 1963 the people of Seborga were sufficiently convinced of these arguments to elect Carbone as their ostensible head of state. He then assumed the title Giorgio I, Prince of Seborga, which he has claimed ever since. Carbone's status as prince was further supported by locals on 23 April 1995, when, in an informal referendum, Seborgans voted 304 in favour, 4 against, for the principality's constitution, and in favour of independence from Italy. Carbone is known locally as Sua Tremendità ('Your Tremendousness').

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Quite an interesting little place you mentioned Proto. It seems that it is indeed legally it's own little country recognized by the Vatican? The Vatican plays a huge role in all of this I believe.

Correct me if I am wrong, but brief researching, shows Seborga is heavily involved in the creation of the Knights Templar. I was familiar with the status of Seborga, but was ignorant of its secretive history;

In 1129 The Knights, Escuyer of the the Sovereign Order of Castrum Sepulcri, in company of several Saracines (Muslim Traders of noble origine) lay the foundation of the Sovereign Order of Castrum Sepulcri. This group of Knights and Squires amount to less than a hundred, organisation was poor but faith was paramount. They joined the Knights Templars on their way to the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

History of the Principality

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No my friend you are not wrong. The Prince Abbot (A Holy Roman Empire Title) of the Abbey on top of Seborga’s recessed hill hidden by another mountain in front of it that juts the sea dubbed 7 wealthy European knights who stopped there on their way to pray in route to the Holy Crusades the Poor Knights of Christ and assigned one of his monks to their party in exchange for their vows of chastity and all their worldly possessions.

Later their exploits and bravery on the Battle Fields would earn them the privilege of being able to set up their encampment on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem and led to them then being redubbed the Templar Knights.

These were the original Grand Masters of the Knights Templar.

They would over the course of the next couple hundred years thoroughly excavate the ruins of the First and Second Temple, and found the first international banking system by allowing pilgrims traveling to the Holy Land originating anywhere throughout Europe or England to deposit their money and valuables with local Templar Clerics who would issue them a piece of paper redeemable in Jerusalem for a like amount of money or valuables from the Templar Clerics there minus a commission.

They became the first international corporation and the Templar Knights became law unto themselves as they were granted the unparalleled distinction of being able to travel throughout any land immune to its laws or rulers under order by the Papacy.

The Templar Knights would later disintegrate into the Scottish Rite Free Masons after having founded Templar Law in England which is the basis of the Law used in the West today and Esquires which are Lawyers which are one step below knights in the Nobility Chart.

The Masons themselves would go on to found the United States of America.

All of this originated out of Seborga and the Council of Eight that the Original Post of this Thread misidentifies as 7 or 9 actually originates out of Seborga. There is some convincing circumstantial evidence in the Treaty of Ghent that ended the War of 1812 between the United States and England that the United States became the protectors of Seborga which is granted the right to maintain an Island nation for its defenses because it is so small.

It is not coincidental that the United States developed into the World’s policeman and Rome’s chief enforcer.

At the height of its existence the Knights Templar had over 200,000 members throughout Europe with only 1 out of 8 actually being a Knight or man at arms. All the rest were clerics and scribes.

Amongst the other services the Knights Templar offered was running estates of wealthy European and English Knights who went off to fight the Crusades. For a fee Templar Clerics would manage the Knights estate in his absence and if the Knight died in battle the estate went to the Templar order.

However it is interesting to note that all the Knights Templar took a vow of poverty and where all that wealth went to is in fact Seborga which is why it probably has the highest exchange rate for its currency today.

Seborga is quite likely the hidden heart of the Roman Empire, with eyes cast on the Vatican and primarily only as a religious institution who would imagine that one of the smallest nations on earth is in fact the most powerful of them all?

A nation that never stopped being a part of Rome.

I don't believe any unified group controls us, but I do believe there are various competing groups who often work together towards a common goal to deprive the common man of his liberty.

The thing is, that while we have, IMO, taken a step backwards over the last decade, we have consistently progressed over the centuries toward a society where we have more liberty and more opportunity.

However, the techniques for controlling the masses have been used for centuries, and continues to expand.

What works very effectively with religion, is that anything and everything that be interpreted as a sin, thereby large numbers of things can be claimed to endanger your immortal soul, and those around you.

In today's world, what I see are the rise of safety laws.

Excellent thread, I will post more later.

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Are you familiar with Propaganda Due, the rogue Masonic lodge that plotted a coup d'etat in Italy and establishment of a right wing military dictatorship? The Vatican Bank was heavily involved with the lodge. Even had members outside of Italy, mainly in South America.

Propaganda Due

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What is very intriquing in that case is the lodges other places of interest and busienss were all ex-Nazi strongholds.

Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil.

That certainly is quite a coincidence and just how powerful some of the principle survivors of the Third Reich still were at that point in time.

What a further coincidence that the lodge was founded in 1945 at the end of the war!

Great addition my friend, and you can see how things like Masonry, the Vatican and a powerful movement like the Nazis all tie in together.

Originally posted by poet1b
I don't believe any unified group controls us,

Really? Are you familiar with the structure of the UN assembly because certain percentage of our laws do originate from the UN. IMF literally has the power to hold a nation hostage, if you borrow any sort of finance from the organisation.

If you are European, 80% of your domestic legislation comes from the European Union Commission and Parliament.

Central banks manipulate and control the markets. The "Purchasing Asset Program" or Quantitative Easing is the Central banks buying government debt, profiting of budget deficits and putting a nation at the mercy of the them.

And, oh yes, the Builderberg Group. Who meet in secret each year. The real power behind the throne. But, alas, there is a group who are even more powerful than them...

This might be a more boring, but this is what I have read from history.

The concept of a one god from which all else are derived, a good god and a bad god, or God and the Devil, came from Zoroastrianism. Now if the Persians were Aryans, as believed, and so roughly the same group of people who moved into India and Germany, then this idea of Good and Evil was most. likely developed after they settled into Persia. The Zoroastrians also developed this concept of the son of god who would drive evil out of the world. Personally, I think the Hebrews adopted these beliefs into their religion, and later Islam would do the same thing.

There is also this idea of the middle prophet, and there was a Persian Prophet named Mithra, who was very similar to Christ. The Mithra religion had been very popular in Rome, before Christianity took over. The teaching of Catholicism and Mithra are very similar. I think there is a real mystery hidden as to why Christianity came to dominate Rome, instead of Mithra.

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If you look at the Gnostic Church, their beliefs are quite different than mainstream Christianity. They claim to teach the true religion of Christ, which is that the real God is far away, and barely aware of our existence. Yahweh is only a minor God, and it was Sophia who breathed life into man. We all have a spark of God within us, and so we are all part of the divine. We just need to awaken this divine part of ourselves. This is a belief system much more closely related to Hinduism, Buddhism, and most likely the beliefs of the Druids.

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These religions taught the empowerment of the self. There was no church between man and God, to tell people how to act. The Druids were teachers, not governors. The concepts were more evolved with individual development. If you read Welsh Mythology, men had magical powers that enabled them to do amazing things. This is significantly different than the religions of the Middle East, more like Buddhism, but still, quite different.

Apparently, even though Julius Caesar and Caesar Augustus worshiped the Roman gods, and accepted a wide variety of gods, they chose to destroy the Druids. Why? What was it about the beliefs of the Druids made the Romans go to so much effort to destroy them?

Move forward to the Sixteenth and Seventeenth centuries. William of Orange moves the Dutch away from the control of the Catholic Church, and his ancestors also later become the ruling family of Britain. A break in the power structure of Europe is created that continues on to this day.

Is it all coincidence?

i have the feeling, we are digging on the right spot here...
what we will find, could really be, the biggest hidden secrets of history.

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One family of Jewish descent is not ALL the Jews. Racism is a distraction.

The Rothchilds want people to think it's the Jews, or the Blacks, or the Muslims, or Aliens, or whatever. Spread the hate and fear, so it isn't focused on the specific people who deserve it.

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The teaching of Catholicism and Mithra are very similar. I think there is a real mystery hidden as to why Christianity came to dominate Rome, instead of Mithra.

Good stuff there poet1b and some very good questions. I believe the overall popularity of Christianity may have been a factor. I mean if this Mithra were to really be the dominate religion around the world they might just as well of hijacked that one.

Unless of course within its teachings were found to be things that the masses couldn't be allowed to know about. The pagans fell to Christianity as a means of their own survival I believe. As Proto pointed out, Rome offers you peace or war and it does not matter to Rome what you choose.

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Thanks, I am just trying to add to the excellent stuff posted by others here on this thread. There are a lot of pieces of this puzzle that I think should be considered. I think proto made some good points on this concept of narrowing the choices down to good and evil. Those are some pretty good ideas he is moving around. I thought I would throw out some pore pieces of the puzzle.

To date, as far as I know, the most ancient cities found are in Anatola, or modern day Turkey, which is also were Troy was located. Interestingly, in this same area around the same time, we also see stone circles similar to Stonehenge. The ancient Brits were of Rh- blood type like the Basque, who were also builders of stone circles, which is a part of the Goddess portion of their ancient religion.

However, also around the time these ancient cities are believed to exist, is also around the same time that it is believed that the horse was first domesticated up in the central Eurasian plains that is now Kazakhstan. It seems very probably that the rise of these cities would be due to the domestication of the horse allowing for greatly increased ability to ship food and other goods, and develop trade necessary to maintain cities.

Troy was also in this region as well as many other advanced ancient civilizations like the Minoans, until Thera exploded from a major volcanic eruption around 1645 BC.

This area has a great deal of mythology about gods sleeping with humans, giants and powerful men being born as their progeny.

Could humanity be ruled by some ancient lineage tracing back to roots in these regions? Or at least Western nations?

St. Augustine of Hippo who pioneered and authored the City of God concept that so much of Christian principles of Heaven and Hell are based upon started out life as a pagan in the African Roman provinces before converting to Sassanid Persian Gnosticism.

Roman Catholicism and Christianity are in fact steeped in Gnostic philosophies and practices.

When one considers the possible ancient roots of the Roman conspiracy and then consider such Roman sites as Persepolis inside of modern day Iran and the strong links to Persian Gnosticism and combine that with just how Iran and Israel are squaring off today we may in fact be seeing a long ago planned part of Rome’s strategy to get competing religions to fight each other to the point of annihilation over Israel.

When you consider Iranian President Ahmadinejad greeted CNN Talk Show Host Larry King with a Master Mason’s handshake and accepts that the Masons are in fact one of Rome’s secret legions you begin to realize that almost everything we are seeing unfold is heavily staged and orchestrated and not what it seems at all!

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Even more incredibly when controversy arose in Afghanistan over U.S. Troops proselytizing to Muslim Afghanis the Taliban did not issue a public threat regarding it to the U.S. but rather to Pope Benedict XVI.

That caused a lot of people to scratch their heads and wonder why the Taliban would be threatening the Pope about the proselytizing inside of Afghanistan which readers of this thread might see then as the Taliban taking it straight to what is in essence the supreme Roman leader who could then in turn in theory demand that the U.S. Military stop the practice. It is amazingly odd that the Taliban would have chosen to address the issue to the Pope and no one but the Pope!

KABUL, Afghanistan, May 7 (UPI) -- The Taliban told Pope Benedict XVI there will be "serious consequences" if he continues in what the group called efforts to convert Afghans.

The warning appeared Thursday on aleharahl.org, a Web site with connections to the Taliban, the Italian news agency ANSA reported. It was a response to footage on the Al Jazeera network that showed U.S. soldiers with Bibles translated into languages used in Afghanistan.

"The Islamic Emirate in Afghanistan asks Pope Benedict XVI to act to stop the foolish and irresponsible actions of the crusaders upsetting the feelings of Muslim rebels, without awaiting the consequences of a severe reaction," the Taliban said.

UPI.com

Now when the Taliban said there would be serious consequences did they mean they would retaliate in some kind or did they really mean…if you convert too many Muslims in this area we might not be able to come up with enough radical Muslims to give Rome the ultimate war it wants?

The depth of the deceptions are seemingly endless and when one considers the word ‘Staged’ is constantly used in warfare, as far as staging areas, staging a battle, the diplomatic stage you really do have to wonder to what extent are acts put on and staged simply to get the people to fight the wars Rome wants to be fought to eliminate all the divisions through the divide and conquer warfare strategy it mastered so long ago.

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Please Don't EVER quote that murdering traitorous Psychopath Doug Macarthur.

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Thanks Pocky for posting this thread.

I watched all 6 parts of this Cnspiracy Theory episode with Gov. Jesee Ventura.

As usual, whenever I watch or listen to Jesse Ventura, I learned "something new".

Wow, I knew 95% of the information presented in the episode. Still, the other 5% of the information really blew my mind.

I was very interested as I have completed advanced graduate studies in Genetics, Microbiology, Immunology, Virology, Biochemistry, Genetics, and I'm presently completing my doctorate in Public Health.

The scientific details that the experts interviewed in this episode shared with Jesse and his viewers was "spot on".

This appears to be a long-term plan that is indeed already in motion.

Beware of food aditives, drink additives, unnecessary medications, municipal water quality (fluoride additives and any salicylates which are classified as acids that added to the water supply), and be very informed about any vaccines that you feel you must have.

We may all have to start growing vegetables and fruits in our back yards and canning the excess harvests and go without meat and milk.

Stop consuming the aspertame (nutrasweet, splenda, equal) NOW.

Start preparing baby food at home in weekly batches.

Like we need THIS problem too right now......

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I wouldn't pay attention to Jesse Venture or Alex Jones. You will never see anything, like the subject of this thread, being discussed by both of them.

Controlled opposition, my dear boy. Controlled opposition.