'Lost:' Season Six Discussion...

Need to clear out some DVR space!

I deleted a bunch today. Down to about 8%. It's very satisfying!

Good episode tonight! Wonder why Desmond ran over Locke? Also, I wonder why MIB threw Desmond into the well. Why did Hurley want to talk to MIB? Lots of questions tonight!

It was nice to see Hurley "meet" Libby in the new timeline, although it was not that shocking (even if I was shocked). So, Hurley has now awakened, huh? I wonder who else will remember their other selves. Desmond has certainly had a promotion in this show since he is opening the eyes of the Losties.

What a weird preview, too, with the audio from 'Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory'.

An answer for the whispers, sweet!

Who was the kid that Desmond and MIB-Locke saw? Why did Jack act like he didn't expect to see Locke when he knew thats where they were going?

The kid....

I'm thinking the kid represents the true power behind it all (God, for lack of a better term)... After all, the kid is someone the Locke-ness Monster obviously fears...

Jack's surprise....

Maybe Jack's epiphany (I don't have to fix everything) allows him to see MIB for who he truly is.....???

Good episode tonight! Wonder why Desmond ran over Locke? Also, I wonder why MIB threw Desmond into the well. Why did Hurley want to talk to MIB? Lots of questions tonight!

I think Desmond became aware of things happening in both timelines simultaneously, and saw an easy opportunity to thwart or injure MIB via running his host (Locke) over in the sideways timeline....

MIB, upon first spotting Desmond, seemed to have surprise, and a realization. I'm thinking he can't kill Desmond, so putting him down the well just takes him out of the equation for a while, as far as MIB is concerned.

Hurley knows blowing up the plane isn't the answer, from Michael. So, I guess he figures it's best to try and clear the air, vs. waiting around to die, or at least until Jacob shows back up with some advice. My other guess is that the newfound confidence and sense of self in the sideways timeline (where he is with Libby) transmits to this Hurley, so he's feeling a bit more empowered....

It was nice to see Hurley "meet" Libby in the new timeline, although it was not that shocking (even if I was shocked). So, Hurley has now awakened, huh? I wonder who else will remember their other selves. Desmond has certainly had a promotion in this show since he is opening the eyes of the Losties.

He's also got a lot to do, and few episodes to do it in. Somehow, I think he'll get to all of the others, maybe even in the next episode, and once all are aware, something happens.

What a weird preview, too, with the audio from 'Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory'.

Yeah, and there was a commercial on last night that had the "Imagination" song...kind of freaky in one night...

Another note....I was looking into Jacob's tapestry yesterday, and there are some interesting hints there... Check Lostpedia, and then Jacob, and then his tapestry. There are some interesting phrases on it...that hint to people dying for a cause, and people getting what they want from the gods.

Part of me is getting a little bored because I know we're not going to find anything out and that we're just being teased with. But the vast majority of me is on the edge of my seat wanting more and more.

Seeing Hurley in this confident, leadership role was great.

Seeing the lines continuing to blur and even now mesh is also great.

Again, I am seeing more connections that people are being served, in their flash sideways, what they've desired in the initial timeline.

I wonder if they'll even attempt to explain how Libby was having these visions of Hurley prior to even meeting him. Everyone else only had them when they connected to a fellow survivor of 815. Charlie first had his on the plane when I believe Jack saved his life. Then Desmond had his with Charlie and then again with Penny. Hurley makes contact with Libby and he has one. But what about Libby?

Was Desmond not afraid because he knew what MIB was going to do to him?

Originally posted by MrAndy
An answer for the whispers, sweet!

Oh yeah, that was cool. Maybe, though, the answer is not that satisfying since the whispers, as it seemed to me, tended to come at times that were inconvenient for the Losties. Thus, fans always speculated that they were a weapon of the Others, which would have been cool.

Who was the kid that Desmond and MIB-Locke saw?

Not sure.

Why did Jack act like he didn't expect to see Locke when he knew thats where they were going?

Maybe because seeing and believing are two very different things (even for the new Jack).

Originally posted by Gazrok
I'm thinking the kid represents the true power behind it all (God, for lack of a better term)... After all, the kid is someone the Locke-ness Monster obviously fears...

Nice, but can Jacob represent good if the kid does? Also, I don't think I got the impression that MIB feared the kid. I just thought that MIB didn't want to bother with him. What you say, though, makes much sense.

Maybe Jack's epiphany (I don't have to fix everything) allows him to see MIB for who he truly is.....???

Nice, but I think my hypothesis is the case.

I think Desmond became aware of things happening in both timelines simultaneously, and saw an easy opportunity to thwart or injure MIB via running his host (Locke) over in the sideways timeline....

I was not that impressed with the ending of the episode, simply because Locke has died, what, two times already!? This was not a shock when you think about it. I mean, I was shocked that it happened, but in hindsight, it is not that much of a shock.

I like this theory, and it is one that I agree with.

MIB, upon first spotting Desmond, seemed to have surprise, and a realization. I'm thinking he can't kill Desmond, so putting him down the well just takes him out of the equation for a while, as far as MIB is concerned.

I was so confused, I initially thought that MIB brought Desmond to the well to move the Island!

Also, who are we to believe, MIB or Widmore now?

Hurley knows blowing up the plane isn't the answer, from Michael. So, I guess he figures it's best to try and clear the air, vs. waiting around to die, or at least until Jacob shows back up with some advice.

Still, though, this was a very bold move, which could have been suicidal. Hurley did this without Jacob's approval, so I wonder why he decided to go towards an enemy that could have killed them all.

Also, I did not really like Jack's new attitude, especially because he just let Hurley lead the group to MIB.

Somehow, I think he'll get to all of the others, maybe even in the next episode, and once all are aware, something happens.

Like what?

Another note....I was looking into Jacob's tapestry yesterday, and there are some interesting hints there...

There are clues all over the place! Let's see if any of them pan out, though.

Originally posted by chissler
Part of me is getting a little bored because I know we're not going to find anything out and that we're just being teased with.

I am thinking that they cannot answer all the mysteries. Is this what you are talking about?

I wonder if they'll even attempt to explain how Libby was having these visions of Hurley prior to even meeting him.

They probably will not.

Everyone else only had them when they connected to a fellow survivor of 815.

Not true. That's mostly true, but not completely. Charlie was not connecting with anyone when he saw the other timeline. He was choking, and then he saw his vision (and then Jack saved him, which made him have a sour attitude towards Jack).

Was Desmond not afraid because he knew what MIB was going to do to him?

Possibly. I wonder why, in the first place, Desmond went with Sayid. Desmond was contempt with being on Widmore's side, but he goes with Sayid!? I'm still confused. Unless, of course, he knows something that we don't.

Here is the preview for the next episode, "The Last Recruit." Take a look at the screencaps, they look interesting! There is also a sneak peak in that link, but I don't want to look at that.

I have some bad news, there will be a hiatus this season, which will be in between this coming episode and Episode 14.

Thus, the remaining season will be:

Episode 6.13
Title: "The Last Recruit."
Centric: Possibly multi-centric.
Airing: April 20th.

Episode 6.14
Title: "The Candidate."
Centric: Jack.
Airing: May 4th.

Episode 6.15
Title: "Across The Sea."
Centric: Jacob/MIB.
Airing: May 11th.

Episode 6.16
Title: "What They Died For."
Centric: Possibly multi-centric.
Airing: May 18th.

Episode 6.17/6.18 (Series Finale)
Title: "The End."
Centric: Possibly multi-centric.
Airing: Sunday, May 23rd.

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Jack saved Charlie, thus made direct contact with him. It was during this contact that Charlie had his vision. Yes it was as he was dying but it was also while Jack was in contact. So I don't see how you say this isn't the case. It's possible, if not likely, that Jack gave mouth to mouth resuscitation at this time.

Seems like it is the case.



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Originally posted by chissler
Jack saved Charlie, thus made direct contact with him.

Darn, I was sure I was right! The way Charlie's story to Desmond sounded to me was that he was choking, he had his vision, and Jack saved him, which interrupted his vision.

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I initially thought his vision was a religious experience as he neared death. But I think as Jack began mouth to mouth on him to save his life, he had his moment where he flashed to the island as others have since.

It seems to fit with what happened to other characters.

Charlie was happy on the island after Locke helped him through his demons. He would have felt this in the vision. Then this was pulled from him when Jack saved his life and he was back to being a drug addict who just overdosed on an airplane. Some obvious resentment towards Jack for that one.

I think it fits.

I'm out of the country next week and won't get to see Lost. So I won't see next week's episode until next Sunday likely.

Originally posted by chissler
Charlie was happy on the island after Locke helped him through his demons. He would have felt this in the vision.

I think Charlie just felt the feeling of being in love with Claire on the Island, but anything is possible.

I'm out of the country next week and won't get to see Lost. So I won't see next week's episode until next Sunday likely.

That sucks, but have fun! Also, it will not be that bad since it will make the hiatus shorter for you!

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Love = Happiness.

Libby's flash was explained. She saw Hurley on the tv....

Nice, but can Jacob represent good if the kid does? Also, I don't think I got the impression that MIB feared the kid. I just thought that MIB didn't want to bother with him. What you say, though, makes much sense.

My claim was that the kid represented God (or a godlike power), not good. If anything, the kid's alliance is probably more towards the balance between good and evil vs. one side or the other. I still think MIB feared him, moreso in the first sighting while with Sawyer, and surprise that Sawyer saw him.

Like what?

That is the $64 million question, isn't it? I don't know, but it seems to be a pivotable moment we're building up to...a reason for the sideways timeline, beyond the characters getting what they want.

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Originally posted by Gazrok
My claim was that the kid represented God (or a godlike power), not good. If anything, the kid's alliance is probably more towards the balance between good and evil vs. one side or the other. I still think MIB feared him, moreso in the first sighting while with Sawyer, and surprise that Sawyer saw him.
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What episode did Sawyer see him? Was that this season? I'm not sure why, but my first instinct was that he was young-MIB. I'm not sure how that would make sense at this point. I remember the MIB saying he knows what it's like to lose someone you love. Maybe this is his son that is haunting him?

You know, considering Jacob had some strange superpowers, I find it odd how he was killed so easily. I doubt that MIB would be that easy to kill.

I suspect the story behind the kid will be known in the Jacob/MIB centric episode.

Apparently few of the Lost regulars will be present in that episode. We're going to be exposed to a slew of new characters from the island's past.

What episode did Sawyer see him? Was that this season?

Yes, it was when MIB was leading Sawyer towards the other island to go on his scouting mission...

I'm not sure why, but my first instinct was that he was young-MIB. I'm not sure how that would make sense at this point. I remember the MIB saying he knows what it's like to lose someone you love. Maybe this is his son that is haunting him?

A possibility, though if MIB is "Esau" from the Jacob/Esau biblical story, there doesn't seem to be much to this. It could also be referring to Jacob/Esau's mother, who basically turned on Esau (from his perspective)...

You know, considering Jacob had some strange superpowers, I find it odd how he was killed so easily. I doubt that MIB would be that easy to kill.

We already know how hard it is to kill MIB. (from Sayed's attempt) I suspect Jacob was just as difficult, except by the hand of a devoted follower.... Of course, I seriously doubt Jacob is really permanently dead...(i.e. the ashes will play into this somehow)....

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Originally posted by Gazrok
The kid....


I think Desmond became aware of things happening in both timelines simultaneously, and saw an easy opportunity to thwart or injure MIB via running his host (Locke) over in the sideways timeline....

Plausible... but I disagree.

I see 3 more plausible reasons as to why Desmond ran Locke over:

1. It all has to do with 'making it happen as it happened', in a sense. I think Desmond is aware of Locke's tragic accident which led him to his wheelchair. This hit and run could allow Locke to have his 'epiphany'. I don't know about you guys but Locke, lying there, with a shocked face, looked awfully familiar to when we first saw him lying on the beach on the island once the plane crashed. I'll even go as far as to say that LA X Locke had his epiphany then and there on that pavement.

2. Second most plausible idea is that once they saw the 'god-child' in the jungle, MIB really wasn't expecting for Desmond to have actually seen it himself. This implies some unforeseen connection with the island, one that we've only seen MIB have before. With Flocke trying to hurry away from the god-child you can see that he is clearly frustrated that Desmond sees him aswell, almost as if it he posed a threat.

3. This is a less plausible reason, but one that I believe deserves some more thought. With MIB inhibiting Locke's body surely there is some kind of connection with Locke's actual mind. Could it be possible that MIB was aware of what is happening to LA X Locke? Could he have seen what Desmond did to LA X Locke?

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But, sideways Locke is already in a wheelchair....that's what makes me think that Desmond has a shared awareness across the timelines (and explains why he's so calm about it all now...) I think he knows his destiny (and his ultimate fate), but that it is necessary to safeguard the ones he loves...

Don't forget, Sawyer also saw the kid, not just Lockeness Monster and Desmond....

Lockeness Monster also seemed to immediately recognize the threat posed by Desmond (just from his facial expressions) upon first seeing him. (He certainly didn't waste much time putting him down a well...).... I think he knows he can't kill Desmond due to whatever connection Desmond has with it all. He's certainly become a much more major character...

Originally posted by Gazrok
If anything, the kid's alliance is probably more towards the balance between good and evil vs. one side or the other.

I like this.

Originally posted by MrAndy
I remember the MIB saying he knows what it's like to lose someone you love. Maybe this is his son that is haunting him?

I don't think so. MIB was, in the speech you are referring to, talking about having a bad mother, not losing someone. I am almost positive on this.

Originally posted by chissler
Apparently few of the Lost regulars will be present in that episode. We're going to be exposed to a slew of new characters from the island's past.

Sounds awesome!

Originally posted by serbsta
I see 3 more plausible reasons as to why Desmond ran Locke over:

I like the first two a lot. I am not sure that MIB is aware of the new timeline, though.

Originally posted by Gazrok
I think he knows he can't kill Desmond due to whatever connection Desmond has with it all. He's certainly become a much more major character...

It looks like Sayid tries to kill Desmond in tonight's episode, so let's see if Sayid attempts this unilaterally or if MIB asks him to do the deed.

Very good episode tonight! So, is Jack a Recruit or is he really a - and possibly The - Candidate? The title and centric of the upcoming episode suggests the latter, but can we be sure of this? Is Desmond really dead? I think not, simply because they did not show Sayid kill him. Also, it appears that all of the Losties are coming together in the new timeline - very nice!