Kucinich Announces the End of Class Warefare and the Defeat of the Middle Class.

Originally posted by QtheQ

I think a big reason for the demise of the middle class is that the very intellectual progressive minded set that would most likely spearhead a revolution or at least campaign for the proletariat have been subdued and sedated by words of succor from msm medias masquerading as advocating for left wing social issues but instead manipulating media to assist super rich elite.

The media I have in mind here especially is mainstream public radio and public television. While they claim to be public and acting in the public's interest, not even supporting members, much less the general public, have any say in the information content of public radio or television. Rather, if you go onto the websites of a mainstream public radio or television station and look up their list of board of trustees you will see a listing of the who's who of the super rich and powerful. I'm thinking they are probably manipulating their so-called public media's information in a manner that will protect and enhance theirs and their cronies interests at the expense of the general public that they claim to be advocating for.

I'm afraid it is the Progressive Agenda that has gotten us into this situation. Progressive are not supporters of our Constitution and the mainstream media has been their cohorts in this crime for many years.

Obama and his advisory team made up Chicago thugs, tax cheats and criminals, and socialists, who couldn't pass F.B. I. background investigations or obtain Security Clearances, will shove their agenda down America's throat without a thought about the people and its effects on many generations of Americans. It's all about the agenda. It's screw the people, as all they want from us is as much in taxes as they can possibly squeeze out of Americans.

(The Constitution states that taxes are to be "indirect" and "per capita", not a direct tax on gross wages from all sources.)

He, and his unvetted advisers, as in Van Jones, will destroy what is left of our Constitutional (Federalist) Republic in his ONLY term a POTUS and he and his America loving wife, and kids will jet off to some safe haven as our country explodes when the sleeping Americans realize the elite have stolen our nation's wealth and our politicians, and the MSM, have lied out their a**es to us for so many years to hide this theft. The America that we grew up in, will no longer exist and the people will be in the streets!!!!!

Our only hope is a third party can arise and come up with a Presidential candidate that can be trusted, and will lead by following a strict interpretation of the US Constitution, has great trust in the strengths of the American people, and believes in his heart "that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." (A. Lincoln)

[edit on 19-12-2009 by Oldnslo]

Originally posted by eldard

Originally posted by Janky Red
Sounded to me that you thought the goal was to cripple the whole thing to instill, "socialism/elite intervention" I have heard this theory on here a few times...

I don't buy that, I think the goal was to make some extra $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s, pure and simple - Not change the primary scheme, which is work em up -

Yeah. Make some extra money and at the same systematically third worldize the West to 'stabilize' (lower) wages which means more money for them.

I think that is the function of corporatism - I don't see "socialists" shipping jobs over sea's do you? Where are these socialist entities??? Are they on the DOW, NASDAQ?

AT&T
CHASE
BOFA

Funny enough I have received calls from all of these socialist entities, all of the calls
originated off of our continent.

Make some extra money and at the same systematically third worldize the West to 'stabilize' (lower) wages which means more money for them.

I'd say so, don't think the Red sock fits as usual, Back in the USSR

the very objective of business is to pay less overhead to retain more money.
Some times the easy explanation... business doing its thing + piss poor trade ethics




[edit on 20-12-2009 by Janky Red]

[edit on 20-12-2009 by Janky Red]

Agree with many of you and your ANGER at these traitors to
WE THE PEOPLE

Unfortunately, as I said in the upcoming civil war post...this is NOT BY ACCIDENT, our country is run by the Elites who own every corporation in the world, they are ruthless killers and are the system of Satan. It will not change until the truth prevails.

This is all planned by them, the Elites will ride it out in their comfortable stocked shelters until it all plays out.

reply to post by Walkswithfish


Actually it is the republicans who preach the free market con who have grown our government ridiculously large in their establishment of a police state to take away our rights.

Stop listening to the radio talk show propagandists. Those people are the scum of the Earth, paid large amounts of money to poison your minds. Clearly Obama is no saint, but he is not the anti-christ either.

The people Obama has brought to power are a whole heck of a lot better than the wackos GW put into power.

Ask yourselves people!

How many Trillions of dollars in debt did GW add onto government before leaving office?

How bad was the condition of our economy when GS left office?

The last thing in the world anyone should want is these republican nutjobs to ever get back into power.

Originally posted by QtheQ
It occurred to me recently that a large majority of the electorate in our supposed democracy, if they have a job or in past jobs are not managers or even supervisors. And yet come every election, we effectively throw away our brass ring by not insisting on and then voting for candidates who emphasize worker rights or the rights of the common man in general. And then when we have a dispute with a manager or supervisor, no matter how unfair or wrongly your being treated, what chance does an hourly worker have without some law created by an elected official to ensure fair and just treatment?

I think a big reason for the demise of the middle class is that the very intellectual progressive minded set that would most likely spearhead a revolution or at least campaign for the proletariat have been subdued and sedated by words of succor from msm medias masquerading as advocating for left wing social issues but instead manipulating media to assist super rich elite.

The media I have in mind here especially is mainstream public radio and public television. While they claim to be public and acting in the public's interest, not even supporting members, much less the general public, have any say in the information content of public radio or television. Rather, if you go onto the websites of a mainstream public radio or television station and look up their list of board of trustees you will see a listing of the who's who of the super rich and powerful. I'm thinking they are probably manipulating their so-called public media's information in a manner that will protect and enhance theirs and their cronies interests at the expense of the general public that they claim to be advocating for.

That is pretty accurate.

Americans have been brain washed to think it is okay for corporations to manipulate the system and take advantage of people while it is wrong for the people to demand justice.

Americans have been brain washed to think that demanding corporate accountability is “wealth redistribution” or “socialism”.

Americans have been brain washed to think that the solution is the problem.

reply to post by Jezus


Yeah, that is it.

Fortunately people are starting to wake up to this, which is why mainstream media is dying, and forums like ATS are thriving.

The new mentality seems to be, forget about getting a job, start your own business.

A decade ago people were working their tails off in start ups, and some made a lot of money, but in the end, big corporations moved in an screwed everybody.

Find something you can do well, and start your own business is probably the best answer.

Oh well back to work.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Jezus

 

Yeah, that is it.

Fortunately people are starting to wake up to this, which is why mainstream media is dying, and forums like ATS are thriving.

The new mentality seems to be, forget about getting a job, start your own business.

A decade ago people were working their tails off in start ups, and some made a lot of money, but in the end, big corporations moved in an screwed everybody.

Find something you can do well, and start your own business is probably the best answer.

Oh well back to work.

There is only 1 way to stop corporations and it is very simple, stop shopping there. Stop getting things from a major bank and relocate all of your funds to a small local bank. Start boycotting corporations they are already very unstable so let's just finish the job. Don't shop at Wal Mart or Costco or whatever is a chain store, only local Mom and Pop stores, that will end this whole sherade and bring the income inequality down, we don't have to fight a war they rely on us so let's just shut them down.

Originally posted by Janky Red
The pillars of CAPITALISM did their thing and put the whole world squarely in a mess of their making. But instead of analyzing, discussing or learning from this whole to do, we jump into the 50's era soviet fear carnival of wonder. Truly, truly twisted in many ways,

- I mean bait switch, denial and fantasy... An easy way to distract? Change discussion?

The USA and it Private sectors are shipping out American jobs by the boatload, the tippy top wages are going up, in comparison to real wages - exponentially. Meanwhile everything is getting more expensive-

So I mean what is the logical motive behind this wave of Red panic???

People are getting wealthier, everyday the money flows, what is the bloody problem?

Really - some insight?

I don't see what's the big deal either. Capitalism is the american way, so what, it's a free market society, if people cannot handle that, they shouldn't live in america.

As people who keep chanting socialists or whatever, they're just trying to cheer themselves up, they can't compete with cheap chinese labor so they find a scapegoat. As if the so called conservatives capitalists will ship job back to the US, ha ha.


In China, Bush remains a popular president

Bush might be leaving office with record-high disapproval ratings in the U.S. and elsewhere in the world, but he has many fans in China. He is depicted in a dozen flattering photographs on display at an exhibit in Beijing marking the 30th anniversary of diplomatic relations between the two nations.

Contemplating his imminent departure, many Chinese are openly expressing affection toward the man they call Xiao Bush, or "Young Bush," to distinguish him from "Old Bush," the 41st U.S. president.

"Bush made some mistakes in foreign policy, especially with Iraq, but for the Chinese, he had been a true friend," said Mao Baoshu, a retired nuclear specialist who was attending the exhibit Tuesday.

Many Chinese credit the Bush administration's free-trade policies with helping the Chinese economy blossom over the last eight years. They appreciate its efforts to rein in the fiery anti-Beijing rhetoric of former Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian. And Bush's attendance of the opening ceremony of last summer's Olympics, at a time when many world leaders were urging a boycott because of China's human rights record, is viewed with deep gratitude.

"We will never forget that the leader of the most developed country in the world stood up to pressure to come to the Olympics," Mao said.

It is so true.

The middleclass is a threat to the elite because they are in a position to do things. Keep people dirt poor and hungry and they can't do much. Actually the welfare class, people on welfare are actually able to do a lot more than most working, commuting, people, but maybe they figure they are too poor to be effective. Retirees are also a threat. Anyone not nose-to-the-grindstone has enough time to look around and can make a difference. If we had the internet back in 63 we would not be in this mess now.

All I can do is mention the following Authors: Paul Zane Pilzer, and Robert Kyasaki~

they've been predicting all that has shaken down for decades~

Check out the following titles: The Business School, his latest book,

Conspiracy of the Rich~

Paul Zane Pilzers, The next millionaires, and The next trillion~

Lots of great insight from two well versed authors, we can fight this

"Consumer Rebellion" by being vigilant, knowing what we believe, and why we believe it~

Great topic!!!

Originally posted by poet1b
The people Obama has brought to power are a whole heck of a lot better than the wackos GW put into power.

Oh? Are they? Really, now...Most of them were into "government service" before, ya' know.

[edit on 20-12-2009 by MidnightDStroyer]

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Walkswithfish

 

Actually it is the republicans who preach the free market con who have grown our government ridiculously large in their establishment of a police state to take away our rights.

Stop listening to the radio talk show propagandists. Those people are the scum of the Earth, paid large amounts of money to poison your minds. Clearly Obama is no saint, but he is not the anti-christ either. '

Ask yourselves people!

How many Trillions of dollars in debt did GW add onto government before leaving office?

How bad was the condition of our economy when GS left office?

The last thing in the world anyone should want is these republican nutjobs to ever get back into power.

The people Obama has brought to power are a whole heck of a lot better than the wackos GW put into power.

You've got to be kidding. My opinion of Obama's people is clearly stated in a post on this page. You have got to out of your mind to think that Obama's people are "better" the GW's.

Heard of Van Jones, Bill Ayers and the rest of his "Socializers" of the American people. Great advisers - anti-democracy/big goverment believers to a man/woman. They want to fundamentally change the foundation that this country was built upon. Socialism is their ultimate goal.

Especially with what is happening to this country. It's no longer a Republican/Democrat deal, they're just the fronts for the elite, their banks and corporations. Obama's massive spending makes George Bush's look pretty tame. If you can't see this either, you've got to be blind.

As long as you remain within the Republican/Democratic "argument", you are part of the problem and have nothing to do with a solution.

And when the day comes when you, and yours, finally realize the American people have been "hoodwinked" by BOTH political parties and the MSM, it will you and yours out in the streets "a shootin' and a shoutin'.

If you REALLY believe this to be caused only by a Republican and Obama's going to make it all better, I'm sorry, but you have not a clue.

Obama will go down in history as the worst President in this countries history, way ahead of the current worst, Woodrow Wilson and his Progressive agenda, to include the establishment of the Federal Reserve and the Income Tax.

Upon later reflection, his actions regarding the creation of the Federal Reserve and Income Tax, haunted him until his death.





[edit on 20-12-2009 by Oldnslo]

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Walkswithfish

 

Actually it is the republicans who preach the free market con who have grown our government ridiculously large in their establishment of a police state to take away our rights.

Stop listening to the radio talk show propagandists. Those people are the scum of the Earth, paid large amounts of money to poison your minds. Clearly Obama is no saint, but he is not the anti-christ either.

The people Obama has brought to power are a whole heck of a lot better than the wackos GW put into power.

Ask yourselves people!

How many Trillions of dollars in debt did GW add onto government before leaving office?

How bad was the condition of our economy when GS left office?

The last thing in the world anyone should want is these republican nutjobs to ever get back into power.

You are simply talking about two halves of the same team. The republicans are not “nut jobs”. They are just acting as ordered by their controllers as are the democrats. Oh and if you have not figured it out we are not the controllers. Bush plunging us into debt was the excuse for Obama tripling it. And you will see once the damage has been done in the coming months with Prince Charming locking us into paying for health insurance and saving the planet with more of our tax dollars (like there's anything left for most of us), that the right-left pendulum of politics will swing back to what many of us perceive as the right. In truth there is no right or left, just a united front of tyranny. One party, the "power party" as that is what our representatives are sucking out of us and giving to the controllers. Once we have all reached a level of poverty equal to the rest of the world their task will be complete.

We still have the time, strength, resolve and wealth to resist them in a meaningful dangerous manner. They continue to fear us but not for long. Once every moment of your/my/our existence is encompassed in just remaining alive, they win. How many people around you have already reached that point? Where every ounce of every resource is needed to stay out of jail, out of debt, out of the hospital and off the street? No extra. Not a minute to think let alone complain. Not a cent to spare let alone launch an offensive. Not enough strength to get through the day let alone climb out of the abyss. Not even a hope for change. And some of the most destitute among us still consider that the government is the answer and not the cause.

You must live in a very exclusive neighborhood if you haven't seen any of this. And so you are still sheltered from the realization that neither side is on your side. Or anyone's side, at least anyone that we will ever see in the flesh. I think you will come around soon. It will not be a joyous moment of realization. Mine was not.

The people Obama has brought to power are a whole heck of a lot better than the wackos GW put into power. - poet1b

Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko, Rashid Khalidi, Bill Richardson, Leon Panetta, Carol Browner, Eric Holder, William Lynn, William Corr, James Steinberg, Mark Patterson, Tom Daschle, Nancy Killefer, Hilda Solis, Dr. John P. Holdren, Janet Napolitano, Ronald Sims, David Axelrod, Cass Sunstein, Van Jones, Melissa Hathaway, Susan Crawford, Adam Storch, Admiral Dennis C. Blair, Craig Becker, Islam Siddiqui, Erroll Southers, Stephanie Villafuerte, Timothy Geithner, Mari Del Carmen Aponte, Kevin Jennings, Robert Gates, Ben Bernanke and the list seems endless. These scoundrels, former lobbyists, terrorists, common thieves, elitists, tax dodgers, self-proclaimed socialists and communists are a step up from the bald-faced military industrialists under Bush? I think it's a draw and the 8 year Bush list was not nearly as extensive. I do think Bush got more bang from fewer scoundrels. In my opinion the best thing that can be said for the least vile among this list is that they are/were incompetent. This list of low-lifes is far from complete as I can't devote more time and this administration is continually expanding our government and so there are jobs being created as advertised. Scoundrels needed! Puppets wanted! You will also notice how a few on this list have plied their "wacko" wares in both administrations. Bi-partisan appointments? Not if there's actually only one party.

reply to post by Oldnslo


Sorry if I stole some of your thunder Oldnslo. I was similarly inspired and had not yet read your post.

reply to post by Oldnslo


You are the one who has got to be kidding, at least yourself. You are actually quoting yourself as a source?

If GW doesn't go down in history as the worst president, it will be extremely surprising. While I don't rate Wilson as a great president, where he was once rated, he is far and away from being the worst POTUS. I would give Calvin Coolidge that award, for residing over possibly the most corrupt period in U.S. history, leading to the collapse of the U.S. economy and the world economy, and the Great Depression. Herbert Hoover in his role of making a bad situation worse certainly comes in a close second. Richard Nixon's corruption and leading our nation into stagflation certainly puts him high on the list, Ronald Reagan probably ran the most corrupt admin in history, trading arms with one group of terrorists to finance another, GH Bush and the stock market failure and S&L rape certainly are both close candidates, but GW Bush takes the cake as the worst president in U.S. history.

GW's presidency started off with 9/11, which is the biggest failure in U.S. security in the history of our nation. The picture of GW looking terrified in a grade school class room while the crisis unfolded is hard to forget. Darth Cheney, his veep, who is probably the person who ran the country during GW's 8 years of reign over the greatest build up of debt in the history of the world, disappeared for several days after 9/11. The Katrina incident in New Orleans certainly is another large jewel in GW's crown as the worst president in U.S. history. GW's appointment of a guy, whose only experience was being a judge of a horse show from which he was terminated, to be in charge of our nations Emergency response agency FEMA, must be your idea of competency. However, the total collapse of the U.S. economy and the almost $2T dollar bailout of Wall Street crooks certainly has to be the crowning achievement of GW's horrible presidency.

The list of the failures of the GW admin is far more extensive, but just these three massive failures pretty much places the GW admin in a class of its own as the worst admin in U.S.history.

It is quite obvious that people like you greatly desire the Obama admin to fail, you are all such a bunch of sweethearts. Considering that no major piece of real estate was blown up in Obama's first year, he already has GW beat hands down. Our economy was already wrecked when Obama took over, so if it doesn't improve within a year of two of him leaving office, he won't go down as anything but a guy who took over at a very difficult time, although no matter what you and your kind are determined to lay the blame of GW's failures, and I suspect your own, on Obama.

Sure, Obama's people all have experience working in the federal government, you do need to hire people with experience in these areas. Obama's people came from the Clinton admin., which did a good job of running the federal government, the nineties being a very successful economic period. GW's people came from the GH admin, and the Reagan admin, and the Nixon admin before that. Each time these people have been in charge they have ran our country into the ground. Stagflation, the S&L collapse, the collapse of our entire financial markets, have all resulted while the repubs have been in power. It is not "a" republican, it is the whole party which is incompetent.

Yes, Obama has better people behind him, and the record shows this.

I am quite aware of the prejudices of liberal elites, with whom Obama is far too cozy for my peace of mind, but that doesn't mean I wish him to fail like the ditto heads all seem to desire.

It is quite clear that corporate elites have enough representatives of both parties in their back pockets to stifle much needed reform.

However, I have much more faith in the people of the U.S.. Corporate America has done everything it can to cut our throats, and finally people are starting to wake up to what a bunch of no good buggers they are.

We will see who has the most to lose if no one has the money to pay off the huge debts created by the last three repub admins.

Meanwhile, farmers markets are thriving.

reply to post by Hemisphere


The two parties are clearly not on the same team, they have similar but separate elitist agendas, but like I pointed out in my previous post, enough people in both parties are in the back pockets of the corporate elites to stifle the reform that is now needed.

The fact that so many people have bought into this con job of the free market continues to be one of our biggest problems.

Stop obsessing about the government, and clue in to reality.
Government either works for us or against us. When the repubs are in power they use the government to work against us while at the same time warning us about the evils of government. Government is bad under repub admins because they make it bad. When the government does what it is supposed to do, like in the nineties, we are then given the opportunity to prosper. What do you have against prosperity?

The green movement will create lots and lots of jobs, and move us more towards independence from big corporations. Wind power, solar power, pneumatic cars that can charge off of electricity with no polluting batteries, smaller scale automated manufacturing, all moves us out from under the control of the corporate elites, which is why they work so hard to keep the massive campaign going against green technology.

Laws that keep corporations from polluting our air, land, and water by forcing companies to meet reasonable standards create jobs.

Laws that keep people from stealing our retirement plans, which they are supposed to be managing, are good for us.

Corporations can ship our jobs overseas, but if they don't pay those people enough money to buy the goods they produce, then they won't have anyone to buy their products, and so their investments become worthless.

Don't despair, find a way to get independent from corporations.

reply to post by poet1b


I disagree. One party. It's like a football team's offense and defense. They have different functions. Ben Shalom Bernanke is one of those rare "two way players" and not from the Clinton administration. If I may borrow a facetious campaign slogan from Nixon's second term: "Why change dicks in the middle of the screw?"

The banks and major corporations know this. They help keep this arrangement in place. Elites benefit elites. Look at who received the bailouts and stimulus from BO and co. Not small business that could innovate and do the things you and Barry describe. Only those with the potential of being the socialist company store.

My wife and I had some of that 90's Clinton prosperity. We had four jobs between us to make ends meet. I can clearly see that particular brand of prosperity is coming back to us.

I get chills thinking of how cheerfully Clinton signed off on NAFTA completing the subversive scheme.....er I mean hard work of Bush Sr. making Ronnie Raygun's delusion......er I mean vision a reality. So different and yet so willing to come together on this one issue that forever crippled the country. Kumbaya my lord! "Can't we all just get along?" Like one party?

[edit on 21-12-2009 by Hemisphere]

reply to post by Hemisphere


It is more complicated than that. If you are from Texas you tend to look after the interests of big oil, Illinois tractors, Michigan cars, Oregon aircraft, California high tech, New York investment, Nebraska insurance (notice who got to call the shot?) and so on. When the needs of your industries are go along with the needs of your fellow senators industry, you work together, when they conflict you oppose each other.

Traditionally the democrats are supposed to look after the poor and the middle class, but over the last several decades they seem to have abandoned the U.S. middle and working class to concentrate on the needs of minorities and immigrants, and more than happy to take away from one particular demographic in favor of all others. This is how things have gotten twisted around. On this I imagine we agree.

Traditionally the republicans look after big business, at least that has been the way things have been since the Civil War, with the south coming into the fold lately, breaking up the balance of power.

Now we are actually seeing republican politicians speaking out against illegal immigration which big business loves. There is a lot of shifting going on. Believe me, I would love to see a third party start to develop a large enough following to compete.

BUT, no matter what, if the free market concept is applied, allowing businesses to lie cheat and steal for profits, where the rich become richer and the rest of us become poorer, it becomes easier and easier to buy off politicians and elections.

Do you see the slippery slope here?

Sorry if you missed out on the nineties. I have a hard time believing things were better for you in the last 9 years.

Absolutely amazing, isn't it?


Our country is flushing down the toilet, and yet in this very thread people are still arguing about democrat/republican, progressive/conservative, which one is evil and which one is destroying our nation...

Can't you fools see that it's all of them? Can't you see that by perpetuating this left-right nonsense you are only playing into their hands?

If I see one more person blame "Socialism" for the state of our economy, I might puke. If I see one more person blame "Capitalism", I think I'll break something. The truth of the matter is Corporatism (a bastard child of Socialism/Capitalism - Capitalism for the poor/middle class and Socialism for the rich) is what has funneled wealth up to the top 5% in this country. Corporatism is what has led to the collapse of the middle class.

Republicans are lying to you. They are blaming the "progressives" and the "socialists", all the while their blood-soaked hands are reaping the profits of our boys and girls overseas, and their pockets are stuffed neatly with kickbacks from the insurance lobbyists.

Democrats are lying to you. They are blaming the Republicans in the same manner, while they pass lucrative spending bills we cannot afford, butchering what could have been an honest attempt at true change and reform. While they preach liberalism and progression, they practice the same money-grabbing politics that have been leeching resources from the middle class this entire time.

If we are going to survive as a nation (and at this point, I highly doubt we will make it to 2050), we are going to have to DROP ALL OF THIS BULL# AND ACTUALLY FOCUS ON FIXING THE SYSTEM.

We need serious reforms, not only in the economy but in the very way our government functions. We need to end "career politicians". We need to end the pork-filled spending. We need to end lobbyists. We have to put strong regulations on corporations, and reconfigure the tax system to something we had before, taking the burden off of the middle and upper middle classes and putting it back on the filthy rich and the corporations where it belongs.

Unfortunately, we will never achieve this, because there are deluded people who are afraid of such reforms, and judging by their presence on this site (a place which should attract a crowd of higher-than-average intellect) they make up an enormous percent of the population.

While you idiots blame each other for this mess, the ones in control are squeezing every last dollar out of the failing system, so that they can move to a nice secluded ranch in Paraguay while the US collapses into a third-world nation.






- Great thread Animal. It's a shame more people won't learn from it.

Originally posted by drwizardphd
Absolutely amazing, isn't it?


Our country is flushing down the toilet, and yet in this very thread people are still arguing about democrat/republican, progressive/conservative, which one is evil and which one is destroying our nation...

Can't you fools see that it's all of them? Can't you see that by perpetuating this left-right nonsense you are only playing into their hands?

Amen brother.

While I completely agree with you I must also play the Devil's Advocate, just a bit, and say that I think it is hard for people to let go of the Conservative/Liberal point of view not out of allegiance to a party but to an ideology. I am done with the Democratic Party - I am so very tired of their complicit BS and Lies - I am however still of a 'progressive' nature, you could even say I am also of a socialist nature. Now that does not mean that is all I am or that I am blind to other points of view and the good in them, only that this is my main point of view. I think this is partially what you are seeing. I think as long as people realize the 2-Party system is corrupt and raping our nation they can still adhere to their own political philosophy.

Did this make sense or am I just babbling?

The truth of the matter is Corporatism (a bastard child of Socialism/Capitalism - Capitalism for the poor/middle class and Socialism for the rich) is what has funneled wealth up to the top 5% in this country. Corporatism is what has led to the collapse of the middle class.

Once again, Amen Brother

This is without a doubt the reality of our situation. A dire situation. Not only did they collect all the wealth they now run this nation - it is after all a plutocracy, no? I mean this nations elected officials work for cash like my dog works for bones. I have never seen a more monetarily motivated bunch of hack-job shills in my life. Arrrg don't even get me started I am about to piss fire and poo a nuke.

Republicans are lying to you...

Democrats are lying to you...

Dam straight. VERY few of these bastards can be trusted. People, do not let these ass-hats near your children.

If we are going to survive as a nation (and at this point, I highly doubt we will make it to 2050), we are going to have to DROP ALL OF THIS BULL# AND ACTUALLY FOCUS ON FIXING THE SYSTEM.

Aye, it is going to be a LOT of work and we are going to have to kick some serious ass but we can do it.

We need serious reforms, not only in the economy but in the very way our government functions. We need to end "career politicians". We need to end the pork-filled spending. We need to end lobbyists. We have to put strong regulations on corporations, and reconfigure the tax system to something we had before, taking the burden off of the middle and upper middle classes and putting it back on the filthy rich and the corporations where it belongs.

Unfortunately, we will never achieve this, because there are deluded people who are afraid of such reforms, and judging by their presence on this site (a place which should attract a crowd of higher-than-average intellect) they make up an enormous percent of the population.

While you idiots blame each other for this mess, the ones in control are squeezing every last dollar out of the failing system, so that they can move to a nice secluded ranch in Paraguay while the US collapses into a third-world nation.

- Great thread Animal. It's a shame more people won't learn from it.

I've go to log so all I can say is all in all mate excellent post I am total agreement with you.