Jury finds stripper's rights were violated

Originally posted by Unity_99

Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

Not at all Canuck. Sexual harrasment is WRONG no matter who it happens to. That is a given. I was just saying that they shouldn't be called ladies thats all. Any female that rubs her privates on a man for money will never be a "lady" in my book.

MessOnTheFED!

As a woman living in a hell zone world run by male values, with a few haves, and many billions of have nots, not expressing womens values of sharing,equality, cooperation, unity, like the natives lived, or maybe the Venus Project, because banks are slavery, I happen to see it a little differently.

No women should ever be a stripper or prostitute or be demeaned in any way. This is patriarchal usary and abuse of women. That being said, all these women to me are ladies inside, WAITING FOR FREEDOM AND EQUALITY, and hopefully the Venus Project, not to mention an advanced cosmic type matriarchal world of equality. The problem does not lie with the ladies, but with the patriarchal male oriented system and we're waiting for a changed attitude. The existence of strippers isn't a female value.
So they're still ladies. Its the men who have fallen.

Those cops were disgusting PIGS.

[edit on 9-12-2009 by Unity_99]

What about the chippendales? Are they waiting for freedom and equality? If men that go to the strip clubs have fallen, then women who go see the chippendales and the likes have also fallen. After all, we have to be equal in our judgement.

reply to post by Styki


And how would you know? Unless you paid for it? Again with the demonizing Strippers. What abou the men who pay for it? They should take the flak for this also.

What would you class a husband, who pays for a stripper, what would you class a father who has sex with a stripper. Men are quick enough to pay for it. But then you do not have the humanity to respect those whom you are paying to strip for you. Come on get a grip guys. Do not like what strippers do, then do not go and watch them, do not pay them to have sex with you. Think with your brain and not your *SNIP*!!!!

[edit on 10-12-2009 by Laurauk]

reply to post by Laurauk


First and foremost, I have never paid for sex. That's a personal rule of mine.

In my last post I said that I wouldn't consider myself a gentleman. I have been to strip clubs in the past with a few buddies, I know the scene. No matter what way you put it there is nothing lady like about the stripping profession.

I am not married yet, nor am I a father. I could foresee going to strip clubs as a husband unless it was for a bachelor party or something of that nature. I would advise my children to avoid getting involved with strip clubs. I wouldn't want my daughters working there and I wouldn't want my sons wasting their money there.

I don't have anything against strippers, I would just rather spend my money while taking a girl out on a date. I would even take a stripper out on a date while she was not working. All I am saying is that stripping is not lady like behavior.

It's not forced upon them.
They chose that lifestyle.

reply to post by MessOnTheFED!



Sighing here...my dear friend: I have been "oogled" as you so adorably say SO many times in my life it's actually beyond reason.Fully dressed.

There IS a difference I agree but what I don't agree with is that any/all women who work in the entertainment industry are as "low" as some here describe.I have many very beautiful,educated,acomplished friends who have been strippers at one time in their lives or another and let's just say I know "both sides of the story personally.

I've also been paid ridiculous amounts of money to model in the most legitimate sense of the word,fully dressed and tottering in high-heels to be "oogled"...does that TOO quality me as a shallow soul who would sell herself to the devil or highest bidder for cash?How does one define the boundaries of "acceptability" when it comes to woman and what they "do" to make a living?I've also been a waitress and believe you me,it's not only hard,but you're perceived as an "underling" much of the time in THAT "legitimate" profession as well.

Would you feel the say way about say,a Playboy centerfold as a stripper? I think not simply because the connotations are different? One is an "object" of physical-perfection to be adored and admired and the other merely a naked- subject of comtempt and ridicule? I could introduce you to women who have "been" both.They are lovely.

Some obviously do not know how challenging these "alternative professions" can be because trust me,you work very hard if you're truly trying to make money.The act of discipline and focus required in ANY "work" situation that results in receiving payment for one's services or talents is something in and of itself to be admired in this lazy and entitled current society.

Again I will say that the core of this issue and thread is NOT what these or any females choose to do for a living and how they are perceived: it is about the fact that their treatment in a situation governed by specific laws relating to people and their rights was not acceptable.
The line was crossed and God help us all if we as individuals are subjected to similar treatment at any point in our lives because "who determines" OUR level of legitimacy and respectability-owed to us in any situation because of what we are and what we do?





[edit on 10-12-2009 by irishchic]

reply to post by Unity_99
you fail to take in consideration that there are male strippers and prostitutes.



[edit on 10-12-2009 by technical difficulties]

reply to post by technical difficulties


Thank you for that T/D, so what is the difference between the both, is it so men can demonize women as wh****? So they can get off on it? Feel a power trip some where. God forbid for us females to be outspoken and then being told your not a Lady!

reply to post by Laurauk
can you rephrase your post I couldn't understand it

reply to post by irishchic


Again you misunderstand me. I never said they were low. And i sure as hell never said i was better than them. All i said was that it is not lady like behavior.

Not once did i say anything like that. Maybe your just looking to pick a fight i dont know.

You still didnt answer my question tho. Have you ever practiced what you teach in a "professional" environment? You know the whole sweaty wahsington environment?

MessOnTheFED!

Originally posted by irishchic
reply to post by MessOnTheFED!

 

Would you feel the say way about say,a Playboy centerfold as a stripper? I think not simply because the connotations are different? One is an "object" of physical-perfection to be adored and admired and the other merely a naked- subject of comtempt and ridicule? I could introduce you to women who have "been" both.They are lovely.

Yes as a matter of fact i do feel the same exact way about Playboy centerfolds. Do you not understand that you can be beautiful, sexy, intellegent, well respected, a community figure, etc. and still not exhibit lady like behavior?

As for you modeling.... GO YOU! seriously. to get paid a lot and not have to actually take your clothes off. That is Awesome.

Its only when you take all your clothes off for money or have sex for money that you are not "ladylike"

[edit on 10-12-2009 by MessOnTheFED!]

Originally posted by Laurauk
reply to post by Styki

 

And how would you know? Unless you paid for it? Again with the demonizing Strippers. What abou the men who pay for it? They should take the flak for this also.

What would you class a husband, who pays for a stripper, what would you class a father who has sex with a stripper. Men are quick enough to pay for it. But then you do not have the humanity to respect those whom you are paying to strip for you. Come on get a grip guys. Do not like what strippers do, then do not go and watch them, do not pay them to have sex with you. Think with your brain and not your *SNIP*!!!!

[edit on 10-12-2009 by Laurauk]

You speak as if you believe ALL men frequent strip clubs and prostitutes. Im telling you that we all dont. Sounds like someone may be a little insecure.

reply to post by MessOnTheFED!



Yes.

Wishing you in THE most "ladylike" manner all the joys of the season and sending you a hug...I'm a lover not a fighter,LOL!


[edit on 10-12-2009 by irishchic]

reply to post by irishchic


Well you are now my most favorite unlady like lady! A star for your honesty.

Maybe this most offtopic thread can die now.

[edit on 10-12-2009 by MessOnTheFED!]