Jury finds stripper's rights were violated

reply to post by deadline527


So then by the same definition, you could class men as W**** Masters couldnt you? After all it is the men who are paying these strippers to have sex with them. Oh but it is always the strippers fault. The men are oh so innocent, ops they forget to mention they have a wife and 3 children at home,

you sad sad people . all you people that posted derogative remarks about these ladies if you were born in an earlier time you would have probably had them burnt as witches . you men will sun bathe on a beach bare chested but if a woman did it you would be horrified . the human body is a beautiful creation and anybody that does not see that has personal issues that they need to address.it does not matter what reason these ladies have for practising their profession , be it stripping or prostitution .
it is their right to do so if they wish and without being put down by bigots

I don't understand the issue here.

These are citizens of the United States who are entitled to the same rights that anyone else is, whether or not you approve of their occupations or "moral" standing.

Whatever their reasons are for being in that line of work are irrelevant to this discussion.

A warrant was executed that had absolutely nothing to do with these women and most certainly would not have required them to be searched or held in this manner.

The bottom line here is that rights were plainly violated and the court agreed.

reply to post by nihilus


Amen Nihilus...

Folks remember the issue is not if these are ladies, or some other...
the issue is

Attorneys for the plaintiffs argued there was no basis to order a strip search, saying it was outside the scope of the search warrant.
"The warrant was to search business records," Defense Attorney Joe Romero said.

so unless it was obvious these woman were hiding a cooked set of book under their tassels the authorities have no cause to conduct a strip search...

Or
are you saying constitutional rights are to be reserved for only the righteous church goers? you know like formor evangelist Jim Baker...

[edit on 9-12-2009 by DaddyBare]

reply to post by tom.farnhill


I do love the female body. Very much so. Unfortunately a woman degrading herself in front of an audience of geezers isnt very appealing to me. Im sorry to say that i can not board the "Yay i love strippers and prostitutes" train with you.

Once a woman goes down that path she has crossed the line. All i was getn at is shes a "lady" no more. I didnt realy think it would sidetrack the whole thread and i apologize OP.

And for the record who dosent love strippers? I dont realy agree with spending my money to see some woman shake it in front of me. Whats the point in paying? Its not realy that hard to find a woman. Hell they are everywhere. Id much prefer a private "dance" in my livingroom from a woman whome i can connect with, and no, not a prostitute. EWW. Nasty!

But hey guess some folks dont like to put in the effort.
(thats the ones who usually need those shots of penisilin)

MessOnTheFED!

As someone who has never frequented a 'strip club', I do think the ladies' rights were violated and this is not an isolated case. Police raid these kind of establishments all the time and generally punish the girls, some who are simply making ends meet with illegal searches and citiations that will go on their criminal record(unless they get a lawyer and prove otherwise) since most are too scared/poor/clueless of their rights and will plead no contest and pay the fine. The cops make bogus arrests and citations boosted their resume and the city/county sees this as a win since they're getting income from the fines levied. Meanwhile the people who run the clubs usually get away without any charges and let the ladies deal with the legal problems on their own with the money they earned.

What I absolutely hate about these establishments(not all,some are run by the ladies or a decent man/men) is how they hustle as much money out of the girls as they can with their dancing 'fees' and 'fines'. At most of these places they are expected to tip out a good portion of their earnings to the establishment or not be allowed back. These fees can run over $100 a day and I know of many girls who will have to tip out over half of what they earned just so they can come back. With the slow economy there is less business and more ladies trying to work so the managers can get away with raising the bar fees. Also the ladies will get fined for being late or calling in sick and will have to pay the fine before they can work.

With that said the women who engage in illegal activity especially prostitution and the drug trade do bring in the heat on the ladies who are just trying to scrape by.

reply to post by MessOnTheFED!
what i was saying is that why use derogative terms for these ladies
they are human beings and have the same rights as anyone else.
and just for the record . i have never used the services of these professions but i do understand that some people do need to and we should stand up for their rights also.
i have lived in many european countries and they have a more civilised attitude the the naked form.
and considering that america has the biggest porn industry in the world
the attitudes displayed on this case appalls me

reply to post by DaddyBare


Hubba hubba the whole incident wants me to go enlist myself as a cop.
second line.

reply to post by tom.farnhill


What do you expect? Its America.... a country founded by prudes.

MessOnTheFED!

These strippers did have their rights violated. They are people and have the same rights as anybody else.

Strippers are not ladies.

Nobody forced these women to become strippers. There are thousands of young women who find other jobs to pay for college or raise their children. Other women chose to take of their cloths to make extra money or not have to work as much.

There are respectable forms of dancing if they enjoy dancing. Stripping is not one of those. No daughter of mine will ever spread her legs while doing a little shake and try to pass that off as a respectable profession.

There are things I could do to make a little extra money. However, I choose not to do those regardless of how noble what I am trying to pay for is. My mother raised two children by herself and never worked as a stripper.

You can sugarcoat the job all you want but it is what it is. Nobody's going to a strip club to see how talented the dancers are.

Some of you who shall remain nameless are absolutely missing the "point": it's not about what the ladies (and I double dog DARE you to say "they aren't ladies" again...) wore or even actually how they were treated although I don't doubt there were some self-righteous snickers in the room.

Trust me,these girls could probably take care of themselves but chose to take exception to their "treatment" and I applaud them!

It's more about the fact that every single day,EVERYONE'S "rights"are being eroded and that we ALL need to start fightng back,even if it's in some small way.

What one chooses to do for a living or how they run their life is truly a matter of choice and yes,sometimes circumstance but the fact that EACH of us is being dictated to and that ALL forms of "power" in this country have been allowed to abuse rather than to employ some genuine concern and diplomancy for the people who live and work here is what the core of this victory is about as I see it.

Some should truly try to get past their own hangups and pettiness and "see' why judments like this DO matter to all of us.
It's really all we have left and it's fading fast...

This is another one of those 'something of nothing' stories. But its safe to say it has given me, and I would go as far as to say its given humanity, one of the greatest quotes of all time......

Defense attorney Arlon Stoker said if strippers don't have rights, then none of us do

Funny 'cos its true.

Genius.

reply to post by irishchic


Well here i am.

Yes these strippers did have their rights violated. Even Ray Charles can see that. Everyone has rights even the bums on the streets. Any moron knows that.

I see your avitar and guessing how you dared me to say something about strippers not being ladies, you must be one also. Well you ARE NOT a lady. You may be a cool person. Hell, you might even be the coolest person in Texas but that DEFFINSTELY does not mean that you are a LADY.

Next time you rub your boobs in some guys face that is sitting there holding a sweaty washington ask yourself why. Cause you love dancing? There are a whole lot of respectible dancers who never have to take their clothes off and are the sexiest women that a man could look at.

Dont hate on me because you decided to take the easy route.

MesOnTheFED!

Edit to add: BOOYAH!

[edit on 10-12-2009 by MessOnTheFED!]

All females are ladies period! Does not matter what profession they are in, saying otherwise is not correct. Stripping is a dance not everyone can do. When you say someone is Gents in a way you are showing respect to them and so is in case of Ladies. One does not automatically become a lady sitting 24 hrs a day 365 days a year simply because she spends all her time at home or a housewife.

Many males/ females do the pole dance and stripping out of passion. It's one's personal choice whether to like it or not no ones forcing you to like someone else. But outright disrespecting any people is wrong be it a nurse/ teacher/ prostitute / army recruit/ model/ doctor or even stripper.

reply to post by December_Rain


They all have the right parts to make them females but that does not mean that they are "ladies." You are wrong in that aspect. How anyone can lump strpiiers and prostitutes in the same catagory as your grandmother is way beyond me.

MessOnTheFED!

Edit: A small task for you. Go to your mother or grandmother and tell them that they are the same as strippers or prostitues and see what you get.

[edit on 10-12-2009 by MessOnTheFED!]

reply to post by MessOnTheFED!


Simply because I do not see Prostitution as wrong. It is same for me like a teacher / nurse/ model etc. It's just a profession chosen by people who want to do it. I don't have to like it or dislike it but I have no right to disrespect them. On the other hand, prostitution is legalized in many countries as profession.

reply to post by December_Rain


If you thought i was disrespecting them you are wrong. To tell you the truth i dont see a problem with either of them. All i was saying is that a wholesome female like, say your mother, should not be lumped into the same catagory as strippers.

reply to post by Unity_99


Simply put... Get the eff over yourself. Many of these women are doing the job out of their own free will. They are not being forced in to a system of patriarchal servitude. Strippers make a choice to walk through the doors and take the job. They could just as easily work at a number of other places and, honestly, not make much less. (This idea of the $1,000 a night strip job is almost a complete fallacy.)

I get tired of so called feminist demeaning other women because they decide to live a life they don't chose to accept as empowered. If a woman chooses to use her body to make money, or chooses to stay home with her kids, it doesn't make her any less of a liberated woman. It makes her a woman that used her mental faculties to weigh options, and desires, and then make a decision. If you ask me, there is nothing more liberated than making a choice based on how you want to live your life.

How does implying they are slaves waiting for a strong matriarchal society to save them sound any different than Rapunzell waiting on the prince to save her? Your attitude is no better than the attitudes of so called chauvinist you wish to silence.

Originally posted by deadline527

whore
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–noun
1. a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money; prostitute; harlot; strumpet.

- Dictionary.com

Is that not what porn actors do? Is that not what strippers who give "extra" do? So by definition, that is what they are. It may not be the best word, but it certainly is not the wrong word.

I've known licensed massage therapists that fit that definition. Does that make all massage therapist whores?

reply to post by MessOnTheFED!



HAHAHA! You are soooooooo wrong. I'm going to make a total ass out of you on top of your making one of yourself.

I have 4 grandkids (yes,this is a very recent picture and I'm even nicer looking from the front) and I teach "aerial dance" as a form of very challenging/extreme fitness to some very fine ladies and also taken classes with celebs and other "notable" women of rank and power that would knock your socks off,HAHAHA!

I'm in killer-shape and took up the "hobby" of comtemporary dance,including the ability to do some pretty amazing polework "later in life" after a health-crisis almost took my life.

So before you shoot your obviously ignorant mouth off,it might be "best" that you learn a bit of humility? I have had Supreme Court judges and heart surgeons in my classes and I'm not thinking they'd take kindly to your insults either?

Usually I don't "get involved" with those on this forum for many reasons but honestly couldn't resist this time.