Spectacular Phenomena In The Sky. What Is It?

reply to post by mogalf


I think that's completely plausible as there is an unofficial confirmation of a failed 'Bulava' rocket launch these days, having in mind also the announced window for rocket testing (Dec 7-14) and the fact that Russian sub 'Dmitrij Donskoj' that is to be equipped with 'Bulavas', was out in the sea for shooting practice at this time.

Russian source: Newsru.com

And as we all know this is not the first failed launch of that missile (at least this time it was the 3rd stage that failed), so I can see why Russian military would be reluctant to acknowledge this.

As for the phenomenon and bluish glow - my guess is that sun is below the horzon right at the spot where the trail ends and the light reflects form iceparticles/vapor and some fuel probably - I think I saw a sun flare in one of the photos near the mountain top. Just my guess, of course



[edit on 10-12-2009 by ilaruum]

reply to post by DamaSan


That's more absurd than my theory.

Take it as a compliment.

-m0r

EDIT: To add:

Originally posted by mogalf
A great video that explains a lot

This explanation is worth a look!

That really is worth a look and explains it very nicely.

[edit on 10/12/2009 by m0r1arty]

reply to post by Hellmutt


First up, OP great thread!! Big star and flag!!

One thing i don't understand is Russia is a big place and probably has multible suitable locations for launching rockets. Why on earth would they be testing rockets in the direction of where most of our world leaders are getting together to talk about our climate?

I know the test was probably way more to the north than Copenhagen is but why even take the risk? Why not wait a couple of days?

Anyway, good thread.

Peace

[edit on 10/12/2009 by operation mindcrime]

Originally posted by PhotonEffect

Originally posted by zazzafrazz
from this it looks like point of origin is behind the mountain, terrestrial. IS there a research or military facility there?
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e57cfe8b202b.jpg[/atsimg]


[edit on 9-12-2009 by zazzafrazz]

Thanks
What a pic !

That just became my new desktop background

In a way, instead of a spiral, it resembles a shockwave, like ripples in a pond.

en.wikipedia.org...

Sooooooo....

I take it that the "Rocket" was "Leaking" it's "Solid" propellant then?

Is that how this is going down?

-Edrick

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to post by FibroKat

 

First up, OP great thread!! Big star and flag!!

One thing i don't understand is Russia is a big place and probably has multible suitable locations for launching rockets. Why on earth would they be testing rockets in the direction of where most of our world leaders are getting together to talk about our climate?

I know the test was probably way more to the north than Copenhagen is but why even take the risk? Why not wait a couple of days?

Anyway, good thread.

Peace

This touches on my point. With the global warming convention in Copenhagen, and the presentation of the Nobel Prize in Oslo, NORWAY - Tomorrow - such a test seems reckless. But in light of the fact that Air Force 1 departed Andrews AFB as scheduled, there doesn't seem to be much concern on the part of the US gov't.

reply to post by maxmini81

First off, there is no such thing as a "nuclear missile test range". They are INTERCONTINENTAL missiles. You would have nowhere you could fly or travel through if you had test ranges. When there is a test there is a Notice To Airmen (NOTAM) posted as to the approximate area the missile will travel through, along with a window of when launch will occur. When it gets to be time for launch, then a restricted airspace area is setup for where the launch will occur. The US routinely flies missiles from Vandenburg AFB in California, to the South Pacific (Kwaj test range). There is absolutely no way they could block or close all that airspace. Secondly, a missile test ONLY tests the missiles. Any warhead test would violate the test ban treaty, especially an aboveground test. A test at high altitude would cause an EMP blast that would black out HUGE areas.

We can see the first stage off the rocket trail that looks chaotic. We can see the "2nd stage" and the spiral that looks as it it is not facing any wind turbulance whatsoever.

What if this wasn't a "failed" rocket at all? What if this was exactly what it was supposed to do: Deliver a payload that could be manipulated by scalar weaponry. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to realize that Russia has invested an insane amount of money in mastering scalar technologies. This is a FACT. They have also launched more rockets than any other country. Don't you think they'd get bored of just lighting the match to tank of fuel and watching it fly? You don't think that they'd combine their technologies somehow?

Considering this kind of rocket has had similar "failurers" in the past, wouldn't it be more logical to think that they are actually doing something RIGHT, and it's supposed to do that?

You may think I'm nutty, but do some research. Russia is the masters of scalar wave technology and has been the leaders of the technology since the 60s, and the most experienced rocket builders.

Originally posted by nasraf
G´morning.

I´ve read all the posts since yesterday.

So many people saying its a rocket. Can you really tell it is? NO!
So many people talking about russia, they havent confirmed or declined anything.

The only source that is more or less relaible at this very moment is the swedish and norwegian papers.

No source in russia is belivable. Or in any other part of the world.

Not a single rocket, or similar has ever been launched in my country, sweden, or in norway that looks like this.

Not true, I have seen multiple reports that Russia is vehemently denying any involvement, rocket or otherwise.

Norwegian defence spokesman Jon Espen Lien also said the lights were probably from a Russian missile test claiming it was normal for Russia to use the White Sea and the Barents Sea as a testing ground.
Tromsō Geophysical Observatory researcher Truls Lynne Hansen agreed, saying the missile had likely veered out of control and exploded, and the spiral was light reflecting on the leaking fuel.
But the mystery deepened last night as Russia denied it had been conducting missile tests in the area.
A Moscow news outlet quoted the Russian Navy as denying any rocket launches from the White Sea area.

Norway should be informed of such launches under international agreements, it was stressed.

The Russian Defence Ministry was unavailable for comment


Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

And this is just one of the stories I have read where Russia is denying any involvement.

This is really amazing, too bad I live in southern Norway, it would be so awesome to see this live.

reply to post by Chadwickus


I think the fact that it's taken with a long exposure doesn't have to much to say. Because there are so many pictures and vidoes showing the perfect spiral, and certainly all the shots don't have a long exposure.

reply to post by Zaphod58

When there is a test there is a Notice To Airmen (NOTAM) posted as to the approximate area the missile will travel through, along with a window of when launch will occur.

Okay, but somebody had to give the okay for this operation and with the climate summit planned months ahead it would seem strange to let these two events take place at the same time.....wouldn't it?

Peace

reply to post by Edrick


As much as I could find and as little as I know about rockets, but here it is - there is certain that first two stages of the rocket are propelled by solid fuel but nothing is really known about the third. There are two opinions - third stage might have fluid propellant for higher maneuverability at the last stages of the flight. But on the other hand, the designer bureau's specialisation is solid fueal rockets and the maneuvers might be made by controlled release of gasses (not sure what gasses though?). (Sorry for loose translation from Russian and some crappy English - doing the best I can)

Source

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to post by Hellmutt

 

First up, OP great thread!! Big star and flag!!

One thing i don't understand is Russia is a big place and probably has multible suitable locations for launching rockets. Why on earth would they be testing rockets in the direction of where most of our world leaders are getting together to talk about our climate?

I know the test was probably way more to the north than Copenhagen is but why even take the risk? Why not wait a couple of days?

Anyway, good thread.

Peace

[edit on 10/12/2009 by operation mindcrime]

One thing to keep in mind is that the idea is now being floated around that Russia was responsible for the Climategate hacking. Take this blame, and place it with this event, and the fact that Russia is claiming the Kyoto treaty is illegal, and perhaps you may begin to fit some of the puzzle pieces together.

Russia believes the Copenhagen Summit is a scam, and they want no part of it, from what I am understanding. Now they are taking the blame for an attempt to derail the summit with Climategate. Add that to the "phenomenon", and how the White Hosue seems undisturbed by this, and I think it becomes even more conspiratorial that perhaps it was US involved in an attempt to further discredit Russia and make them out to be liars.

I would also go so far as to say Russia knew what it was, and perhaps if they were involved, it was designed to frighten, and the White House has enough intel to know they have nothing to fear.

There you have two completely possible reasonings, but in fact, there is still only speculation it is a rocket, and we will probably never know the real reason behind what, or why.

So, I will just call this another "weapon of mass distraction" from the reality if what the Copenhagen treaty is all about.

This administration is excellent at "weapons ofmass distraction". Just look at Tiger Woods going on during the senate Healthcare debates. The media grabs are intentional.

How many of you have asked just how his wife *found out* about the affairs? We will know soon enough that someone outted him to her, and regardless of who it was, the timing was perfection, just as all the past months events have been. This is media manipulation at its finest.

This succeeded in re-directing quite a few of the readers and speculators from what the US is doing. They win. Again.

[edit on 10-12-2009 by Libertygal]

reply to post by ilaruum


Judging from my modest knowledge of trigonometry and rocket science...


Typical height of ICBM's at appogee: 1120 km
Estimated size of the entire "event": 5 degrees of the horizon.
Tan (5) = .08748 * 1120km = 97km wide

Time for "Spiral" to go from "Center" to Outside edge: 3 seconds.

Estimated speed of "Spiral Vapor Trail" (97/2/3) = 16 k/sec

16km / sec = 57,000 kph

Typical rocket exhaust speed = 12,874 kph


So... I think NO on rocket exhaust.

-Edrick

[edit on 10-12-2009 by Edrick]

reply to post by Zaphod58


Oh and by the way the first succesfull launch of the RSM-56 Bulava was last year...

MOSCOW, September 18 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian Navy on Thursday successfully tested a Bulava sea-launched ballistic missile, which hit targets on testing grounds in Kamchatka in Russia's Far East, a spokesman for the Defense Ministry said.

So does this mean that they fired this one in western direction aswell to hit russia's far east?

Peace

That looks like a plasma stream to me.

Plasma likes to braid itself into paired strands that form a corkscrew shape due to the way magnetic fields confine themselves around the charged particles.

Plasma streams also twist at the ends in a corkscrew fashion.

The vortex shape is the atmosphere being pushed around by the charge rotation.

I'd wager this is a product of the so-called haarp facility pumping out a massive focused stream of energy into the atmosphere causing a glow mode discharge of plasma.

reply to post by Kr0n0s


If you start from the center and trace your way outward, there is no break in the line. A ripple like a drop of water into a pond expands somewhat uniformly away from the center with each ring/ripple complete and not touching any other.

Drop In A Pond



where as the picture from the OP is definitely a spiral








Kind of fibonacci - way cool


[edit on 10-12-2009 by QBSneak000]

Amazing! Its so beautiful it looks almost fake. Im surprised that there as been no mention of "Project Bluebeam" yet.

reply to post by QBSneak000


IF that image is correct, and the blue "Streak" is indeed the Main rocket exhaust (Why it's blue, I wouldn't know), then the angle suggests that the white "Spiral" should have its rings compressed on the upper left side, and elongated on the lower right side... as that perspective would suggest... this picture is perfectly concentric.

This is not a rocket.

-Edrick

reply to post by operation mindcrime


Im still only finding denials of a rocket launch by the Russians.
Has anyone a link to a news story that quotes them admitting to it finally?
So many people here are drawing conclusions based on rumor, especially the ones that are wanting to support their premature theory that it is a failed russian missile launch.

Where is the official statement by the Russians that this was a missile launch gone awry, or any missile launch at all?

[edit on 12/10/2009 by Kr0n0s]