An American Soldiers Perspective, My Perspective

reply to post by FIFIGI


Well... at least you're honest. Cant say the same about 99% peace-loving soldiers killing people out there and crying about it.

I could be a good assassin if they payed me well, as long as I didnt have any connection to the victims, if I had I would ask for more money lol... but seriously.

But tell me... if you did shoot your neighbors or your friends and after it the command said it was a mistake, the intelligence was off, and you killed the wrong people... how would you react?

Because no matter the orders, you're the one pulling the trigger, not your commanding officer so you are the last end of the straw of guilt. You were the one that actually killed... so what would be your reaction?

reply to post by fmcanarney


Nice try on quoting Jack Nicholson hoping no one would notice... funny thing is, he said that out of anger and hate after killing an innocent GI and try to get away with it with the excuse that "he provides the liberty for people like civilians to have the right to question their attitudes"... for him he should do all kinds of horrible stuff because it was in the name of freedom... well bad choice of quote I'd say.

The ends dont justify the means... and the means should get the hell outta there... soon you guys will have another war with someone else and you gotta be ready... maybe you can find a REAL GOOD reason to fight the next one.

So you guys are going to buy the illusion of Iraq was hopeless before the invasion? You guys understand that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, they had nothing to do with 9/11 and such forth? Jeez, am I the only one who sees something wrong with this picture?

Hurray for the brave men and women who served in the war. Would you guys also call the terrorists brave? I mean they are doing the same thing but they are defending their rather than attacking.

I have known many soldiers, and they all have agreed on ONE thing: They are there to protect their fellow soldiers. Their brothers and sisters in arms. Not many soldiers know the true reason for being there, but to save the life of a friend is a good enough reason, to me...

Forgot to say originally, thank you for putting your life on the line to save people who could be friends of mine. Good luck with the new family, and I hope all works out well for you.

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reply to post by ThePeoplesSoldier


thank you for serving you are truely a patriot and i wish the best to you and your new baby boy and your family. heres to hoping you get out soon!

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Originally posted by die_another_day
I don't blame the soldiers.

I blame those who send the soldiers. The rich white men at the top of the world.

You're baiting racism. Your observation is fallacious: Not all elitist are white (see Barack H. Obama), not all rich white men are elitist (although by the forbes Billionaire most wealthy level most are) and not all white men are racist (in fact most aren't, they are just normal people trying to live happy lives).

What we, as a species, are suffering is in essence a psychological phenomenon, called ponerology, which is the influence of psychopaths on our society and it's institutions. Psychopathy is not a racial trait, it's a species trait and genetics can be relevant but it will come down to a probability down a family bloodline, across all races. You will never get rid of the problem by focusing on race and you will give the psychopaths tools to throw people one against each other. You won't get rid of it by focusing on the family either, because I'm convinced many of the members of elitist families have normal emotional profiles and are not active in building the NWO, although they do benefit from it. Psychopaths manipulate everyone around them, including other psychopaths.

At it's core this is an individual problem and, untill such a time as we have some sort of filtration system to start getting this profile out of power positions, we should deal with it at an individual level.

They are 1 to 3% of the population, although the problem is compounded by the fact that another 10-20% of the population acquire psychopathic behavior patterns due to admiration and blind obedience to authority figures, which tend to be psychopaths as they are the ones ruthless enough to lie, manipulate and backstab their way into those positions and are the ones who are motivated enough by their sadistic desire for power over other humans to not give up on that path.

Capiche? Psychology, not racism. Psychiatry, not eugenics. If you espouse eugenics you're part of the NWO yourself, and as such part of the problem.

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


You would do well when entering an arguement to be fully and well informed. Please as a demonstration of your intelligence and in order to be taken seriously, read the entirity of postings.

Jessup did not know Santiago was suffering from a heart condition. He believed the troop was undertrained. So his intelligence was misinformed. We do not live in a perfect world.

Jessup was angry and what he spoke was the truth. Lots of armchair quarterbacks post here and the majority talk out of both sides of their mouth, but at least the conversation is in English, not Japanese or German.

Walk a mile in my shoes...

I want to thank EVERYONE for posting on this topic! I never expected that I would catch so much attention for my very first post.

I would like to ask everyone however PLEASE stay on topic. This post is for the soldiers, not polotics, oil, money, why we are there. Its about protecting the lowly son or daughter thats in the mud right now fighting for _____

I want to thank you for posting. I have caught a boat load of flak for my job. I was a 2W2/E-5 (Nuclear Weapons Specialists) in the Air Force and every year on the dot a crusade group called Clowns for Christ would protest us and call us the worst things (quite brotherly of them I might add)

In the town of Minot, ND where I worked for 6 years I found alot of negativity towards the military. Easy for me to shake off though because I just plain don't care. I will protect the country whether they love or hate me so there ya go

Now with that said, 2W2's are non-combat. I am a Chef now and still haven't seen even a lick of war so don't raise a glass for me...do it for yourself because I am the first to admit I have no clue what war is like

Cheers to you

-Kyo

Originally posted by ThePeoplesSoldier
I want to thank EVERYONE for posting on this topic! I never expected that I would catch so much attention for my very first post.

I would like to ask everyone however PLEASE stay on topic. This post is for the soldiers, not polotics, oil, money, why we are there. Its about protecting the lowly son or daughter thats in the mud right now fighting for _____

I've never been in war, and never been in the military. I was very close to enlisting into the Navy a few years ago but a nagging voice in my head urged me not to. Soon after that I saw Fahrenheit 9/11, and needless to say my perspective changed.

But one thing that has never changed is my respect for US soldiers. I don't support the wars in the Middle East. Chasing a dead guy through middle Asia and looking in sand for WMD's that are non-existent seems like a huge waste of time and resources. But, sergeants don't write foreign policy.

Teddy Roosevelt once said, “Speak softly and carry a big stick." The boots on the ground are the stick. The Powers That Be at the top are the ones who wield the stick. And it angers me that some blame the stick.

reply to post by scrybe


A stick, as an inanimate object, does not have personal responsibility, a soldier, as a person, either does have personal responsibility or has, due to the condition of being a soldier, damaged to the point where we can't attribute him or her with responsibility, under the same logic used with, say the retarded. So what exactly are you saying?

I say they ARE responsible for what is going on, because the alternative would be to dehumanize them. Soldiers are people too. If they are fighting a war of aggression under false pretenses they are all responsible for signing on that dotted line and for being tools of the psychopathocracy. I don't want to fight them though, I want them to take matters into their own hands and break the mind control. End the violence.

Cheers.

reply to post by Mindmelding


Civilians do get killed in combat, by both sides might I add. This is tradgic and in most cases those soldiers that do violate laws get prossicuted! A squad in my company while I was there was prossicuted for running a car off the road! Imagin what we do to those that murder! BUT on the same token I WILL NEVERRRRRR discredit somone for killing in self defense!

If somone is shooting at me state side, in iraqi, in france, doesnt matter I WILL SHOOT BACK! Im not going to let somone take my life! Did it ever occur to you people that if the insurgents that we are fighting are soooo inocent then why dont they protest peacfully? Wouldnt that look good on CNN since everyone is glued to that biased news network? I think that would get there point across more instead of fighting the "evil american invaders" who want to do nothing but rebuild there crapy little towns, rebuild their power stations, and retrain there police and army. BEFORE SOMONE POSTS IT WE ARE NOT RESPONCIBLE FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ALL OF THOSE! Granted during the first wave alot of stratigic points were taken out like communications points and military targets but the insergents took advantage of thier failing government and attacked points also to gain strongholds in the city. BUT WAIT NO THEY CANT BE AT FAULT BECAUSE THERE INOCENT INSURGENTS THAT PLANT BOMBS IN ROADS, MURDER CIVILIANS, AND KIDNAPP AMERICANS THEN CUT THERE HEADS OFF WITH NO OPPERTUNITY OF RELEASE! Far cry from the treatment we give our prisoners. We give ours a warm bed a roof and 3 meals a day, oh ya and religous freedomes. They give ours a knife to the throat. Don't lecture me about the innocent people over there because NOT ALL OF THEM ARE AS PEACFULL AS YOU THINK.

It is however not that much different that our gangs here in the united states. The majority of our population is peacfull and just want to live life. There is those select few of people however (gangs) that stand out and don't have regaurd for the law or people. Only differance is thier gangs are alot smarter and have tons of funding for weapons and explosives.

edit: way too powerful of a post. might get me banned

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reply to post by RedDragon


so what would be a good number of Americans to be killed before we have the right to defend ourselves? 10%, 20%? I agree that war doesn't make sense, but to say that our military hasn't defended freedom since WW2 is quite possible the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Aside from all the things you hear about in the news, there are countless things that don't get reported. The very fact that we haven't been invaded by anybody is a testament to the strength of our military. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by RedDragon

 

The very fact that we haven't been invaded by anybody is a testament to the strength of our military. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

The very fact that we have not been invaded by Martians is a testament to our Nazi bases on the moon. The fact that we have not been invaded by Bigfeets is a testament to "The Best Bigfoot Hunters Ever" or whatever they were called. The fact that werewolves have never attacked my house is a testament to the strength of my wolfs bane garden. I think Lisa Simpson has a rock that repels tigers too.

reply to post by network dude


Defended our freedoms from who? Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? The Taliban? We're talking about 3rd world rice farmers and the like here..

How was the Vietnam from 1970 going to take away your freedom of speech or your right to bear arms? Really, can you specifically answer this question?

Really, can you just point me to one specific case where they actually have defended our freedoms in a major conflict since the end of WW 2?

I'm not against having a strong military. I'm against using the military for imperialism and empire building.

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reply to post by network dude


Who are we really being defended from? There was an attack on American soil, many good people lost their lives. Go ask any of the victims families if the investigation was fair and see what kind of answer you get. These people are being denied a second investigation because someone is trying to hide something.

Before we go and fight wars on false basis, talk to the families of the slain victims and find out what is really going on. Afghanistan was a false war, and so was Iraq.

So how is this protecting us?

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Originally posted by Mindmelding

Originally posted by VonDoomen
I think the problem many people have is differentiating between people on the ground like you, and the higher ups who are in charge. The majority of people in your group are very good, hard working people. I do believe however that the higher ups have less respect for life. I think the overall purpose for being in iraq is a scam and bad, however that has nothing to do with people in your position.

You can empower someone with your energy yet not be responsible for what he does with it? Sorry to burst your bubble but reality does not work that way. We all have free choice, and every single person who pulls a trigger is responsible for that action.

Iraq has everything to do with people in his position, because they, when push comes to shove, are the ones doing it. Because they are willing to obey orders and not put much thought as to why. Because they are uncapable of realizing that a terrorist action, even if resulting in the death of thousands, does not justify international warfare at the cost of millions.

The way to have saved lives after 911 would have been to grieve and move on. What many people fighting now have to own up to is their own bloodlust and missguided desire for revenge, all negative emotions that have manifested evil on this earth.

hmmm Sorry to burst YOUR bubble but your a little out of touch with reality, and reading comprehension. Your first problem is you didnt thuroughly read my post. Secondly, your lumping EVERYONE into one group. As if you have the pulse on everyone. NOT. Like I said, the majority of people in the military are good people. what does that mean? I know you cant comprehend so I will explain. It means that some OTHER people in his group are bad/crazy people. NOT EVERY single soldier is over there shooting innocent people in the face. And what about the Iraqi's that want us over there? There are many Iraqi's that want to live in a more westernized world. But, like I said, you cant group everyone into one category. Of course there are people over there that want us out. there are people over there willing to fight and die to remove us from their land. and THEN there's people who are just insane and do not cate if they blow up or maim people, including their own countrymen, brothers and sisters. There are a countless number of soldiers who agree its a sham, and thats why when they are on the ground, they act responsibly. Just to let you know, I live right next to one of the bigger army bases in the US, and our troops here are continuously deployed to afghanistan and iraq. Ive talked to many of them, and about 95% are good people. Of course, Ive met the other 5% too who are batshiat insane. We just had a doulbe murder/stabbing not even a week ago, and these guys were all just back from iraw.