An American Soldiers Perspective, My Perspective

Explanation: RE:"An American Soldiers Perspective, My Perspective"

I'll sing you a story about following orders called

Song My Massacre.

Whilst standing shoulder to shoulder with



Lt. Ehren Watada.

Him with the solo and rythym, and me with the blues!

Personal Disclosure: PLEASE WAKE UP!

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by RedDragon


"You are not a warrior."

Not professionally but if the time came to defend my freedoms, I assure you that I would become one very quickly. I'm not a pacifist.

woa, what? So you could kill to protect your freedom. Great, would you kill to protect my freedom?

You obviously know what your freedom means to you, do you know what freedom means to me? Do you care? How about your best friend? Would you kill or die to protect his?

You keep pushing the "kill to defend freedom" button. Who are you, Bush?

Freedom has nothing to do with death, and although it might be legitimate to kill in self defense, the type of armed chaos you seem to espouse has nothing to do with real freedom.

Real freedom is walking the world in peace, because freedom only works if you respect the freedoms of others, and there is nothing less respectful of freedoms than a barrel of a gun, no matter how contrived and apparently just the pretext of it's deployment.

You're just an agent provocateur, whether you like it or not or are aware of it or not, and what you're doing has nothing to do with peace of freedom.

Many of us see right through you.

Here's the short version: Peace is PEACE, war is not. It's not hard to fathom, and if you start thinking it's more complicated than this, then you're missguided and you have to go back to start and go from there.

In response to Mindmelding's post: "I could have survived a silly bootcamp if I was masochistic enough to submit myself to some power tripping psycho...Now I'm old enough to know better."

There's nothing wrong with masochists! They are sooooooooo much fun to play with whether they be a 22-year-old masochist or a 56-year-old masochist. You should try it sometime...playing with masochists. You could have some fun too! --batting my eyelashes---

Mindmelding posted: "it's just that I will not stomach this stupidity. People are dieing, by the millions, nations are being empoverished,...."

blah blah blah. The planet is overpopulated. What on earth has world hunger and planet earth not having the resources to feed 6 billion people got to do with this thread? Absolutely nothing to do with the thread. The soldiers can't make the planet suddenly gain every resource for an overpopulated planet. Gimme a break!

reply to post by MapMistress


The planet is not at all overpopulated, it's missmanaged. We could have 30-40 billion people living in confort on this planet, there is that much room and there are that many resources. We receive 1000w per m2 per hour for example. We farm a tiny percentage of landmass, and an infinitesimal area of water is used for aquatic farming. We don't build underground cities, officially. We hardly harness geothermals, Iceland excluded.

The elitist parasites of course have more slaves than they know what to do with of course, but that's another line of thought. Sadly, their ideas get mass media dissemination, something that can't be said about common sense.

However, don't get reality in the way of your misanthropism, if you think that there are too many of us, kindly set the example and kill yourself. Sleeping pills probably being the most painless way to go. That way we won't have to have this stupid overpopulation argument pop up again and again, if people that truly believe it be proactive and use themselves to set the example.

I am also in the Army, this is my 9th year, and I am also a Sergeant/E5.

While in Iraq, the most dangerous situation I was in was a convoy to my final base. While it was an eye opener to what a third world country looks like, it was uneventful for the most part.

A lot of what people in the military do is because they've been brainwashed by the whole belief system, and that goes for just about all branches.

If I was given an order to shoot an innocent person, I wouldn't do it. It has nothing to do with orders, but morals and ethics.

The only way I would shoot someone, was if they were shooting at me first, and that's because the rule of "it's either me or them" applies. The whole system for rules of engagement is good for the most part. In some cases it can be bad.

Even then I wouldn't shoot to kill, I would shoot to wound.

Originally posted by Mindmelding
kindly set the example and kill yourself. Sleeping pills probably being the most painless way to go.

Oh please. This planet doesn't have the resources for 30-40 billion people to live in comfort and it never has. And I have no idea why you, Mindmelding, of all people keep trying to claim to know what's best for the 6 billion people on this planet regarding "managing resources" when the extent of your life involves whining, whining, whining, all over the internet and I doubt you've ever managed anything in your life.

You have proven by your behavior in this thread, Mindmelding, that world peace is an impossibility. A lady jumps into the thread, batting her eyelashes and flirting and you respond by telling her to kill herself. It is because people like you exist that world peace is impossible. You are the prime example, Mindmelding, of why people argue and fight and that's all you do: argue and fight.

You, Mindmelding, have shown by your behavior in this thread that it is impossible to have a peaceful co-existence on this planet between human beings, because it's people like you that do nothing but argue with others. Argue, argue, argue is all you are capable of doing.

I won't be killing myself with sleeping pills as you suggest, but I do suggest that you should prescribe to yourself the very medication that you would so eagerly prescribe to some lady batting her eyelashes.

reply to post by MapMistress


You're still breathing? Too cowardly for your own philosophy?

Here's a tip, ladies don't advocate genocide, not even when it's just implied. Your post makes you more of a harpy than a lady...

But you missunderstand me. I don't hate you or want you dead. What you got was your own ideas taken to their extreme logical conclusion, to show how wrong you are.

And I stand by my post, we have more than enough area, energy and resources for incredible population growth and prosperity. And we could colonize the stars and add more life to this universe... but we will never grow and live while we are dominated by psychopaths and by a death culture.

And death culture, my claimed lady, is what you have.

reply to post by Mindmelding


Yeah, we could cram all those people in, but the only wildlife we'd see would be things we'd eat (cows, pigs, chickens). That's it. No whales, no dolphins, no antelope, no lions, no tigers, no pandas. All the beautiful sites of the world would be filled with people, with garbage, and with pollution.

Nice.

reply to post by davesidious


Only if we did things the way we do them now. The way we do them now is a top down construct, imposed by psychopaths.

The world is a fractal structure. It grows on you. Literally. There is more than enough room to grow our civilization here, to a point where we spread out, like seeds of life. But we have to change the way we do things, and cultivate a sense of balance between civilization and nature. There would still be animals, we don't have to destroy natural systems to fit into them, and we can actually enhance them. But that requires creativity and consciousness, while we act like locusts nothing will evolve.

If you guys persist with this self loathing mankind meme you play into the world's elite plan for depopulation, and this plan was born out of selfishness, not environmental necessity. Don't be fools.

I would just like to offer a big Thank You, to all on here who serve, or have served in our Armed Forces, and especially thank you, PeoplesSoldier, for starting this thread--I am a mom who's son was killed in combat in Afghanistan, on July 17th, 2006, and he is now among the other fallen heroes who are laid to rest in Arlington Nat'l Cemetery--our family has a long history of military service for our country, with his great grandmother having served in the WAAC, during WWII[she drove a jeep, mostly], and with his dad and uncle having served in Vietnam, and his grandpa having fought on Iwo Jima, and lived to tell about it, even though he never liked talking about the war at all--he was awarded the Silver Star for what he did on that island, but he never once told us exactly what happened there--we had to view Victory At Sea tv shows, and old war movies, in order to actually find out at least some of what he must have endured there--

--my son was a very loyal NCO who genuinely cared for his men alot, and he acted as 'pointman' that awful day, because he feared they were all walking into an ambush, and he didn't want all of the men to fall victim to it--so, he, and his small squad went into the area first--it was a good thing for all of them, too, since, if they'd all gone in as their CO had wanted them to, they all would have been trapped--but, once the fighting was all finished, the only casualty among them was my son, whose death came almost immediately as the ambush took place--but, the Army told us that, if it were not for his actions, to try and spare his men, there would have been far more of them killed--instead, when he was killed, the official statement said that it served to inspire the others to accomplish what seemed to be the impossible--so, my son was given credit for that, as well--

--I know war is horrible, but our sons and daughters join our military for various reasons, yet, underneath it all, when our military calls on them to defend our country, by fighting back against those who hate it, so wish to destroy it, and all of us, they, alone, are those with the God-given goodness, and strength of heart and character, to step forward and do just that--and, I assure you that our sons and daughters are never to blame for the wars, themselves--our government is, directly--

--so, if a war is thought to be 'unnecessary'--take that up with the president/commander-in-chief--hold him responsible--not our young soldiers, who obey lawful orders given to them--and, they are not 'ordered' to kill others on some whim of some NCO, or Officer--they fight back--they don't start the fight--that's why my son's death certificate reads, "Cause of death: HOMICIDE"--the military considers all of our soldiers, who are killed in combat, as having been murdered by the enemy--since, our forces are DEFENSIVE, always--never offensive--some other people start these conflicts/wars--our military does not--our sons and daughters, for the most part, fight in defense of something--they never go to ruthlessly kill just to conquer--they are good kids--we raised them to be just that!

Thank you, again, Peoplessoldier, and all who were so supportive of what you've said in this thread--God's blessings.

reply to post by SleepingBeauty


I could be wrong, but this post just sounds like propaganda intended to make people feel good about war. I personally don't buy it.

If it's true and the mother wants to support the military this has to be done on a public venue with identification so it can be verified.

I am sorry for the tone, but there is just that much lies and manipulation out there, it's time to say enough. I only buy this sort of account when it's done under a person's own name.

reply to post by SleepingBeauty
Explanation: RE: "--I know war is horrible, but our sons and daughters join our military for various reasons, yet, underneath it all, when our military calls on them to defend our country, by fighting back against those who hate it, so wish to destroy it, and all of us, they, alone, are those with the God-given goodness, and strength of heart and character, to step forward and do just that--and, I assure you that our sons and daughters are never to blame for the wars, themselves--our government is, directly--"

This appeal to think of the children should in no way abrogate their responsibility for their own actions!

I quote myself from my 1st post here "Explanation: You are the exact reason I am disgusted by the US!

Here is WHY!....

1stly Its the fault of everybody involved, YOURSELF INCLUDED! "

Furthermore as in RE: "--so, if a war is thought to be 'unnecessary'--take that up with the president/commander-in-chief--hold him responsible--not our young soldiers, who obey lawful orders given to them--and, they are not 'ordered' to kill others on some whim of some NCO, or Officer--they fight back--they don't start the fight--that's why my son's death certificate reads, "Cause of death: HOMICIDE"--the military considers all of our soldiers, who are killed in combat, as having been murdered by the enemy--since, our forces are DEFENSIVE, always--never offensive--some other people start these conflicts/wars--our military does not--our sons and daughters, for the most part, fight in defense of something--they never go to ruthlessly kill just to conquer--they are good kids--we raised them to be just that!".

This is pleading the Nuremberg Defence by proxy and it is also an appeal to the Authority of the US military as the moral yardstick by which to measure the validity of the "HOMICIDE" of the KIA combatant and this whole premise is wrapped up in the Pollyanna Principle! That is certainly an unimpressive post clearly displaying a Bias blind spot whilst revealing its Confirmation Biases and promoting a Whitewashing by Scapegoating the easiest and most obvious targets [valid or not!] :shk:

Personal Disclosure: I direct everybodies attention to the evidence I supply in my post at the top of this page!

P.S. reply to post by Mindmelding
Explanation: To save both you from further breaching the T&C's and SleepingBeauty being goaded into replying to your SOLICITATION for personal info, I'm willing to vouch for SleepingBeauty's disclosure as when I dug that rabbithole I found a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart at the bottom of it AND according to the morality standard of the UN that I have previously applied I found that this soldier [SleepingBeauty's son] died in valid combat services to his country under the auspices of self-defense provided for under Article 51 of the UN Charter. May he RIP.

The best advice that I can give on this subject is to just take each step as positively as you can, and this advice can be applied to most situations.