Your Date With Destiny: Meeting the Real Jesus

reply to post by oliveoil


But it does err....it tells you in a round about way that you enter heaven through blood, an Earthly object.

It tells us that God has human traits, such as jealously and looses patients when is quickened to anger...and shows us that even God looses Thee's own understanding of why men behaved in such Earthly ways.

It sets up the wars in Israel, people believing God needs a Earthly Kingdom and a chosen people. It taught that killing is a way to get rid of bad things, instead of what Jesus taught, to forgive those that know not what they do, love them as I love you.

The Bible gives two masters to follow, a Earthly master or a Spiritual master....you cant mix oil and water.

It doesnt make the entire Bible bad, but extremely distorts Jesus and his purpose.

Originally posted by oliveoil

That's fine, and everyone has an opinion. And taking a hard line traditional route has nothing to do with it. and Its not even a Orthodox one at that.

The Holy Spirit is God and there is only one way to interpret it according to the Bible.

Oh absolutely hard-line traditional has everything to do with it.

IMO - you interpret from writings of man "man-made to spirit". I interpret from "spirit to man".

Viewing from "spirit to man" gives a very different perspective.

All are One with the Creator - - All are of the Holy Spirit - - All are Holy Spirit.

We should be cautious to think we really know what Jesus taught the Disciples.

Many places in the Bible talks about how the riches of heaven can not be given to a carnal mind and ones gems must be protected from those that do not see their worth.

Mat.13: 10-11

And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Mat.13:17

For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous [men] have desired to see [those things] which ye see, and have not seen [them]; and to hear [those things] which ye hear, and have not heard [them].

Mark 4:34

But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

Prov. 26:7

The legs of the lame are not equal: so [is] a parable in the mouth of fools.

John 14:26

But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 Cor.2:14-16

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

One thing that sems obvious that Jesus did teach the disciples was a 'know how' for fasting.

Mat. 6:16-18

Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

I have tested this teaching....so I know of its worth.

Jesus was killed because he did not conform to the authority of the belief system he was raised in. Jesus established a 'church' 'kingdom' in the hearts of men. You enter this kingdom by faith, knowing you are a child of God and that you are worthy of Thee. What happens from here is personal and should not be all written down for the foolish to taint and ruin.

Finding truth is a journey, it cant just be given to us by another man, it must be experienced within ourselves. The book can only offer so much. If one is fearful of being mislead if they step outside of the book....they cant really place trust and faith in God leading them.

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Originally posted by Grandma


I go for a walk [in my wheelchair] and I can worship sitting in a garden and know I am in the presence of the Father. I can't find that experience in a book. But, nevertheless it is REAL and he gives me so much wisdom during those times.


Shalom,
Grandma

Hi Grandma. My mom contracted polio in the 51 epidemic - and although she walked with a full length brace and 2 Kenny Sticks - - she used a wheelchair in her later life here.

She said later in life what a blessing it was - how polio gave her a new understanding of life. How it brought her into a new group of friends and spirituality. She had been raised Catholic.

Originally posted by oliveoil
If your underlining point is that the Holy Spirit has had progressive messages though out the bible you are correct. However what the disciples received though the Holy Spirit is always and never changing.Bad Media is discrediting these early disciples as liars and false and anti Christs. Go figure

One thing is true. God never reveals every thing at once.
If one learns all the covenants one would realize this. And I doubt he is revealing anything new to Bad Media.

Sorry, but once again you are full of crap. It is impossible that you know the holy spirit. Because you haven't been born of the spirit. If you knew the holy spirit at all, then you would at the same time know the father within you. The holy spirit follows the experience of being born of the spirit.

The reason it is so important is because you couldn't possibly understand the things Jesus says without also understanding the spirit. Understanding that which is spirit is spirit, and that which is flesh is flesh is key to rest.

What you are saying is the equivalent of learning how to run before you can walk.

As for disciples. Not just anyone could have been a disciple. In order to be a disciple, one had to do many things. You had to denounce your family basically, as well as ALL things which could be used against you. If there was ANYTHING that would get in the way, then you could not be a disciple.

To be a disciple required more than what is required of the normal person. Jesus gave the reason for this in a parable. Saying, what would the people think of the man who started to build a house, but never finished? Meaning, that if the disciples had attachments such as family and stuff, then they would in the end dismiss/deny the father/god and not finish what they were given to do, because their families and such would be used against them.

If you didn't 100% hate this world(not to be confused with the people themselves), then you could not be a disciple. In order to be a disciple, it was more than just following the commandments like most people only need too.

Furthermore, that which I give and say here is only a very small fraction of what I have been given. There are things which I can't even really begin to express to you. I don't know any words to describe it. Have you ever seen the universe without the element of time? I have, but I can't even describe to you what it looks like.

As well, it is pointless to talk about "heavenly" things with people who can't even understand "earthly" things. But, when it comes to those who understand the earthly things, then much more about the heavenly things can be seen/understood.

You know, it is easy to accuse someone of things. But I notice you did not offer any proof or evidence of me doing such a thing. Care to actually prove what you claim, or even give me a chance to respond/explain? For some odd reason, I am guessing that you are simply making the claim based on our disagreements, rather than the disciples themselves.

If you think you are going to get a free pass on the claims and such, then you've got another thing coming.




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Hello Annee:

I am unable to walk because I broke my rt. hip about 6 years ago. I had surgery to repair the damage but while healing I developed a staph infection in my hip bone. The infection "ate" away my hip ball and socket. I had to have 7 additional surgeries to take bone out. My rt. leg is 4 inches shorter then my left and my foot turns over on it's side. I have NO control of my right leg at all.

I use a 'sliding board' to slide out of my bed into my chair and back again into my bed. But I spent almost 5 years in bed 24/7 until I got strong enough and stayed out of the hospital long enough to have physcial therpy.

I NEVER once blamed God for my fate or did I lose my joy. I could read and the Lord and I got a little bit closer during that time.

I love my chair and I really love going outside and able to do things with my grandchildren again. So yes, I feel really blessed also.


Shalom,
Grandma

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Grandma - - I know this is personal and bit off topic.

I was born with an odd physical undetectable situation that caused multiple problems for me over the years.

One problem was a build up of fluid in my eardrums. Basically I was sea sick for 6 years in my 20s. I always understood how important my thoughts were. My physical was secondary to keeping my thoughts in the positive.

It takes great faith to know you are a spirit being first. To know that the physical world will end and where you keep your thoughts is what defines you and evolves your spiritual journey.

reply to post by badmedia

Sorry, but once again you are full of crap.

Bad, Your true Christian colors are shining though.

You do know that the Holy Spirit, Jesus, And the Father are one don't you?

Oh I forgot this would blow your theory right out of the water.


btw Peter the one who Jesus loved was married. What?

[edit on 21-12-2009 by oliveoil]

Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by badmedia

 

Sorry, but once again you are full of crap.

Bad, Your true Christian colors are shining though.

You do know that the Holy Spirit, Jesus, And the Father are one don't you?

Oh I forgot this would blow your theory right out of the water.

How does it blow my theory out of the water when I say that you can't possibly know the the holy spirit without knowing the father? You have said you didn't know the father, and you show in your posts that you don't know the father is within, thus it is impossible that you know the holy spirit, but not the rest.

John 14 describes the experience of being born of spirit. John 14:20, you will know on that day that the father is within you. John 14:26, the holy spirit comes and teaches those who have heard the father(be it through Jesus or directly).

The 3 are separated into parts for a reason, while your leg and arm may be part of the same body, the arm is not the leg, nor do they have the same purpose/function.

I do not at all doubt that events have happened in your life. I had things happen in my life too which seemed like "luck" at the time, but now I realize it was more than just "luck". And who knows how many things I didn't even notice. Things just seemed to magically work out when I needed(not always what I wanted). Yet, those things didn't happen because I knew what I knew now or anything, they happened because you are cared for. But that is quite a bit different than understanding things beyond that.

reply to post by badmedia

How does it blow my theory out of the water when I say that you can't possibly know the the holy spirit without knowing the father? You have said you didn't know the father, and you show in your posts that you don't know the father is within, thus it is impossible that you know the holy spirit, but not the rest.

What in the world are you saying? I have said that the only way to know the Father is to read the Bible. Now your mixing my words around, You are very good at this. Its no wonder you interpret the scriptures the way you do.

reply to post by Grandma


I happen to believe one can [find] God in other ways and not ONLY through the Bible. God is found, if one is humble enough to see, all throughout 'nature'.

Grandma, I have already said that this is one way God reveals himself. I agree.

Originally posted by oliveoil
What in the world are you saying? I have said that the only way to know the Father is to read the Bible. Now your mixing my words around, You are very good at this. Its no wonder you interpret the scriptures the way you do.

I bolded the part that is proof that you do not know the father.

These type of threads don't even belong here, they belong in BTS- there is no conspiracy here.

Grandma do this site a favour and find another avenue to express your religious bent.

There is absolutely no real proof Jesus even existed- he is an amalgamation from earlier myths, that also have no real basis in reality.

Christianity was plagurised and people continue to fall for it because they are too scared to face the thought of death.

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These type of threads don't even belong here, they belong in BTS

If you happen to look at the address bar in your browser you would notice we are in BTS. And this is an A B conversation so please C your way out. Thank you.

Originally posted by badmedia

Originally posted by oliveoil
What in the world are you saying? I have said that the only way to know the Father is to read the Bible. Now your mixing my words around, You are very good at this. Its no wonder you interpret the scriptures the way you do.

I bolded the part that is proof that you do not know the father.

Is there not a difference between people seeking the lord and the lord seeking people? Yes I said that. Now, I also said that God reveals himself though natural revelation and divine revelation.
Feel free to go back and check.Talk about reading comp.

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Isnt the bible full of examples of people searching for God (as well as the other way around as you pointed out) without any help from a text book at all ?

Do you have any belief in holy revelation made in the last two thousand years say, since the original times of the new testament,

Purely out of interest what denomination are you ? Forgive me if I missed it I was just curious.

Originally posted by lifecitizen
These type of threads don't even belong here, they belong in BTS- there is no conspiracy here.

Grandma do this site a favour and find another avenue to express your religious bent.

There is absolutely no real proof Jesus even existed- he is an amalgamation from earlier myths, that also have no real basis in reality.

Christianity was plagurised and people continue to fall for it because they are too scared to face the thought of death.

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This is BTS, and why don't you do the site a favour and learn be more accepting of other people.

Aside from that, the thought of death is not scary at all, and that is nothing more than a cop out. If death is just "Death", then there is nothing to fear because there is nothing to perceive it. What the heck is supposed to be so scary about that?

If anything, Christianity has gotten it's following by spreading fear, not by taking it away.

Originally posted by oliveoil
Is there not a difference between people seeking the lord and the lord seeking people? Yes I said that. Now, I also said that God reveals himself though natural revelation and divine revelation.
Feel free to go back and check.Talk about reading comp.

God doesn't need to "seek" people. I'm sure you've heard of the footprints poem. Just because someone does not see or know the father doesn't mean he's not there. God experiences everything you do.

If you love something, then you will set it free. If it loves you, then it will come back. That's really what it's a matter of.

As for the other stuff. I have a saying. Christians(generalizing here) are all about a personal relationship with god. But hell will come before they actually allow it.

Originally posted by badmedia

Originally posted by lifecitizen
These type of threads don't even belong here, they belong in BTS- there is no conspiracy here.

Grandma do this site a favour and find another avenue to express your religious bent.

There is absolutely no real proof Jesus even existed- he is an amalgamation from earlier myths, that also have no real basis in reality.

Christianity was plagurised and people continue to fall for it because they are too scared to face the thought of death.

edit, spelling

This is BTS, and why don't you do the site a favour and learn be more accepting of other people.

Aside from that, the thought of death is not scary at all, and that is nothing more than a cop out. If death is just "Death", then there is nothing to fear because there is nothing to perceive it. What the heck is supposed to be so scary about that?

If anything, Christianity has gotten it's following by spreading fear, not by taking it away.

it must have been moved then- I was in ATS and didnt realise the thread is now in BTS- I will be more accepting when fundies stop trying to tell me I am going to die if I don't share their deulusions.


yes Christianity is about fear- fear of a god- all religions work the same way.

People buy into it as they can not stand the thought of not being.

Hey LC!!! i thought you changed???

what's with the last post???

Hey one time I had a fundie sandwhich, made of whole wheat, cheerio crumbs and a good vanilla sauce..

long time no talk.