Jesse Ventura Exposes HAARP! *Vid*

Originally posted by downisreallyup
You are comparing energy levels from the sun with the energy levels from these ground-based "heaters" as they are called even in the document links you provided.

See Phage, your own sources are apparently telling you that heat is being generated here.


Would you like to clarify your explanation of how the ionosphere consists of electrons but nothing below it does?

reply to post by Phage


Also, as the first document you linked to shows, they are doing things with more than just a single HAARP-type installation. In 1996 they combined the waves from two installations, and in their own words, achieved higher power because of the interference pattern generated by the two intersecting beams.

Notice in this statement that they are heating the ionosphere both vertically and along the magnetic lines, which is essentially elliptically horizontal:

On 3 April 2001, we conducted an experiment with Kodiak to study ionospheric heating for vertical (off-magnetic field alignment) and magnetic field-aligned orientations of the HAARP beam.

I was outside having a smoke last summer and
noticed a very strange cloud formation...it looked
like rolling waves. I goes to get get the camera...
suddenly...my bowels decide that I would be doing
something else. No pictures and raining when I
come back out. You tell me what happened!

reply to post by bsbray11

Electron cyclotron resonance is a phenomenon observed both in plasma physics and condensed matter physics. An electron in a static and uniform magnetic field will move in a circle due to the Lorentz force. The circular motion may be superimposed with a uniform axial motion, resulting in a helix, or with a uniform motion perpendicular to the field, e.g., in the presence of an electrical or gravitational field, resulting in a cycloid.

en.wikipedia.org...

Bernard Eastlund is one of those who developed the idea of using the effect to heat portions of the upper atmosphere.

A method and apparatus for altering at least one selected region which normally exists above the earth's surface. The region is excited by electron cyclotron resonance heating to thereby increase its charged particle density. In one embodiment, circularly polarized electromagnetic radiation is transmitted upward in a direction substantially parallel to and along a field line which extends through the region of plasma to be altered. The radiation is transmitted at a frequency which excites electron cyclotron resonance to heat and accelerate the charged particles. This increase in energy can cause ionization of neutral particles which are then absorbed as part of the region thereby increasing the charged particle density of the region.

Patent

Ions are charged particles (including free electrons). The HAARP principle affects electrons. It does not affect neutral (uncharged) atoms in the lower atmosphere.

Millions of watts of energy is insignificant when compared to the amount of energy the Sun pumps into the atmosphere.

I obviously understand quite a bit more about what HAARP can do and does do than you do. The physicist did not move a cloud, he evaporated condensed water vapor in a closed box.

[edit on 12/4/2009 by Phage]

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by the_denv

 

I think i know what HAARP is doing.
Have you noticed we have had very mild winters?
I think HAARP has been protecting our jet streams.
What's wrong with that?

Where I live, we don't have mild winters. Its freezing here at the moment, frost on the ground.

If HAARP was built to protect, then it would not have to scorch and heat up our ionosphere. The original inventor created it for the benefit of mankind, then the military bought the patent and took over HAARP in order to explore the weaponry potential.

He who controls the weather, controls the Earth.
He who controls the Moon, controls the Earth.

We all know the theories wrapped around the Moon, and HAARP is wrapped around the weather.

reply to post by Phage


The Electron Cyclotron resonance effect is only one of the things that HAARP does. You are still failing to address the much more powerful ELF effects that Tesla talked about.

You seem to be stuck on this idea of energy output, and are not addressing the bigger issue of how particular frequencies, tuned to appropriate resonance, can have effects that go beyond the raw energy effects that typical "explode the darn thing" physics likes to experiment with.

Some people like to lift things with their raw strength... and others prefer to use a lever...

reply to post by Phage


Why don't you watch the video that I provided a link to, since I did you the honor of looking at your links that you provided, and then comment on specifics, instead of just harping (or should I say HAARPING about what you have already learned about HAARP? It would be interesting to hear you give solid refutation to what the scientists say in that video about the heating effects of HAARP and how it could be used to control the jet stream...

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by bsbray11

 

Electron cyclotron resonance is a phenomenon observed both in plasma physics and condensed matter physics. An electron in a static and uniform magnetic field will move in a circle due to the Lorentz force. The circular motion may be superimposed with a uniform axial motion, resulting in a helix, or with a uniform motion perpendicular to the field, e.g., in the presence of an electrical or gravitational field, resulting in a cycloid.

en.wikipedia.org...

Bernard Eastlund is one of those who developed the idea of using the effect to heat portions of the upper atmosphere.

A method and apparatus for altering at least one selected region which normally exists above the earth's surface. The region is excited by electron cyclotron resonance heating to thereby increase its charged particle density. In one embodiment, circularly polarized electromagnetic radiation is transmitted upward in a direction substantially parallel to and along a field line which extends through the region of plasma to be altered. The radiation is transmitted at a frequency which excites electron cyclotron resonance to heat and accelerate the charged particles. This increase in energy can cause ionization of neutral particles which are then absorbed as part of the region thereby increasing the charged particle density of the region.

Patent

I can tell you're used to using "baffle with BS" as an arguing tactic, because this makes twice that you've posted a bunch of technical mumbo-jumbo that didn't do squat for supporting your case, ie that you can't affect the weather with this technology. On the contrary, you've just contradicted yourself by proving that heat is being generated, and heat obviously affects cloud formations. You must take it for granted that I'm some kind of idiot and can't understand technical jargon when you post it, but you're wrong.

Learn some new tricks.

Ions are charged particles (including free electrons). The HAARP principle affects electrons. It does not affect neutral (uncharged) atoms in the lower atmosphere.

Ions are present all over the Earth, not just in the upper atmosphere. There could be higher concentrations of them in the upper atmosphere than lower down, but that proves nothing.

Millions of watts of energy is insignificant when compared to the amount of energy the Sun pumps into the atmosphere.

The Sun has nothing to do with this. What the Sun does is a natural process that has already been happening for billions of years. We are talking about what men are doing with very real technology. The Earth receives more energy from the Sun than a nuclear bomb produces, so does that make nuclear weapons insignificant as well? You are arguing a complete fallacy.

I obviously understand quite a bit more about what HAARP can do and does do than you do.

No, you are just full of yourself. I am an electronics/electrical engineering major. I understand all of this stuff. You don't appear to. You post things that contradict what you are arguing and don't even seem to understand what you are even posting. Like I said, full of yourself. You just want a nice pat on the head, that's all. Don't you have something less expensive than a computer to play with?

The physicist did not move a cloud, he evaporated condensed water vapor in a closed box.

He demonstrated a principle of physics that is relevant to what HAARP does, and that water was obviously already evaporated, thank you very much. He just moved it using electrical pulses.

[edit on 4-12-2009 by bsbray11]

reply to post by Phage


I love the way those documents you provided word things so as to hide the true nature of the experiments to those who don't understand the language:

For example:

The initial WIND-HAARP experiments were conducted to begin the study of the global distribution of large scale plasma density irregularities in the ionosphere and magnetosphere.

Translation: the initial WIND-HAARP experiments were conducted to begin the study of what happens when we cause large-scale worldwide changes in the density (thickness/temperature) of the ionosphere and magnetosphere in various distribution patterns all over the globe.

Hmmm, sounds like weather control to me...


[edit on 4-12-2009 by downisreallyup]

reply to post by downisreallyup


No one not even HAARP or Tesla coil enthusiast operate the coil
as Tesla did throughout his entire life.
Just look at the Colorado Springs Notes.

It was resolved to adopt 122,000 per second (see note before) in the primary as compared with 21,000 per second with the old secondary which was obtained with 15 jars on each side of the primary. For this vibration (122,000) the length of the new secondary should be about 2000 feet, this being the length of a quarter wave.

That was the first information in the video that seems corrupted.
At 1:40 wrong on type and way of operation.
Next is that Tesla would use ELF for weather control or anything else.
He never ever went the low in frequency.
Tesla talks of frequencies approaching million cycles and voltage
or pressure over a million volts.
Tesla made DC pulses of one forth of a cycle so the need for a great
amount of cycles. I feel Tesla would not do anything approaching
what the video says up to that point, 2:37 into 10:58.

The fear of the weather control is true as the man might suggest but
can't be done now with HAARP. Just the right coils and operation are
not in use. Glad to tip you off on the disinformation but the proper
operation can never be known by the elite as the ether pressure
wave of the UFO propulsion will be exposed.

I can see why the Illuminati do not want to plant a cloud buster
out into the desert to make rain. Why propose atmospheric
manipulation other than to put fear into the minds of the
people. The flunkies that said Tesla was a flunky are the flunkies
now with their imaginary Tesla weapons.

reply to post by Phage


Oh my gosh, this is really incredible. I took the time to read through Dr. Eastman's patent, and guess what I found in the very last paragraph:

This invention has a phenomenal variety of possible ramifications and potential future developments. As alluded to earlier, missile or aircraft destruction, deflection, or confusion could result, particularly when relativistic particles are employed. Also, large regions of the atmosphere could be lifted to an unexpectedly high altitude so that missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces with resultant destruction or deflection of same. Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device.

I know that many people on ATS love to say "where is Phage? Maybe he can tell us the truth", but really sir, you post stuff here and then think nobody will actually read it COMPLETELY through?

If HAARP could heat up the atmosphere, the diatomic
molecules would separate.
On recombining the gasses heat up 1000 times the input.
I don't think HAARP wants to do that.
The bouncing of signals off that layer does not seem to be believable
by any one.
I doubt anything is ionized or will bounce signals.
Sending a heating signal directly over head as in the video
might cause a shock wave to destroy their operation.

This guy seems to have done a bit of research. He lays out what HAARP is and what it does. He also lists the conspiracy theories and why HAARP is not capable of the things the conspiracy theory folks thinks it is.

Analysis: HAARP
www.letxa.com...

Would those who actually know something about this please comment if he got anything wrong or if any of his information is bogus.
Thanks

reply to post by TeslaandLyne


Oh come on... nobody is talking about Tesla coils here! Tesla did FAR more than coils, and he certainly did tons of research into EFL waves, including lighting up a whole field of light bulbs stuck into the earth.

Here, why don't you read this informative article from a real Tesla historian:

Article on Tesla technology



[edit on 4-12-2009 by downisreallyup]

reply to post by downisreallyup

No.

HAARP is capable of affecting a small region directly over the installation. It is not capable of causing large scale effects.

The density irregularities they are talking about are those caused by the solar wind. It is those irregularities which are involved with geomagnetic storms. In studying those irregularities more can be learned about preparing for problems caused by those geomagnetic storms.

reply to post by downisreallyup


Perhaps he has the patent handy.
Quit a few on the net will find Google patents handy.
That patent is full of bull as I hope you understand by now.
HAARP will not explode the atmosphere in front of a missile.
All that power is NOT transmitted in a Tesla wave.

In addition to the videos I posted regarding Jesse Ventura exposes HAARP, I have found another 40mins (approx) of the Questions and Answers that Jesse Ventura had added to the ending of the "Conspiracy Theory" TV show.

Here they are:

Part 1:


Part 2:


Part 3:


Part 4:


Enjoy

reply to post by Pauligirl


Here is a good article that seems to contradict what the author of your article says, particularly regarding the effective output of HAARP:

The full width at half maximum intensity of the central lobe will not be more than 18.5 milliradians, just over one degree, if the focusing is adequate, which renders possible an estimate of the intensity of the central power flux of the HAARP beam at high altitudes. If the central lobe contains about 10 % of the total radiated beam power, then a power flux in excess of one W/sq. cm could be attained at an altitude of 300 km and given a total radiated power of 10 GW, the power output of 12 Darlington nuclear reactors, or over 10 million electric kettles. These estimates tally with information given in Angels.3

Full Article

So, according to these scientific calculations, a power flux in excess of 1 Watt per sq. cm could be attained at an altitude of 300 km, with a total radiated power of 10 GW.

Now, combine that with the power from the HIPAS transmitter near Fairbanks, Alaska (mentioned in Phage's first linked document), and who knows what is really possible, particularly with the "interference" effect.

What is often done by people who would like to hide truth is that they don't give all the facts, and omitting the fact that there is another HAARP-like installation in Fairbanks, and also that the combined energy from both facilities creates an "increased output" effect... well that is just something that nobody is talking about, but seems to bring the numbers well within the range of what Tesla said: 1 watt per cubic cm.

reply to post by Phage


No.

You seem to think you have the whole truth on this issue, and yet you provide no "proof" that your information about HAARP is 100% of the information that is available. And just because you say something, doesn't make it true. Certainly, you see how the very patent you quoted from also claims that the patented technology CAN control the weather among other things.

Plus, I provided another link that gives some of the other calculations regarding the true power output of HAARP, and I also bring up the issue of combining the HAARP energy with the other installation in Fairbanks.

Address those things please, and don't just expect me or anyone else to believe what you say just because you say it emphatically with your arms crossed. I am providing links to information that supports my statements. Please do the same.

reply to post by downisreallyup

No. I expected (hoped) it would be read. Eastlund was not a meteorologist and may have exaggerated his claims about weather control. Obtaining a patent does not require that the methods described actually work. There is, as yet, no firmly established relationship between ionospheric activity and weather.

But did you miss this part of the patent?

Transmitter 16 is powered by power generator means 17 which is preferably comprised of one or more large, commercial electrical generators. Some embodiments of the present invention require large amounts of power, e.g., up to 10E9 to 10E11 watts, in continuous wave or pulsed power.

That's the output of about 9 or 10 atomic power plants. See any cooling towers in the neighborhood?