Climate change data dumped

Originally posted by Walkswithfish

Originally posted by mrsoul2009

It has happened before that is true - but not at the rate that it is happening now - not at the rate that one human generation can actually see it occur. Years past it happened over thousands of years. This is different.

And you know this how?

Did you get it from bogus science reports?

Are you a time traveler?

By the way in case you missed it, apparently while all this fuss over global warming has been going over the last 10 years global warming has stopped?

Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out

Of course they would be baffled if they were convinced that man made global warming was real, because if they did believe that then the warming could only continue right? So we should be boiling by now!

Too bad they couldn't eliminate the data that supports the following...

www.spiegel.de...

Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. Some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents.

At least the weather in Copenhagen is likely to be cooperating. The Danish Meteorological Institute predicts that temperatures in December, when the city will host the United Nations Climate Change Conference, will be one degree above the long-term average.

Otherwise, however, not much is happening with global warming at the moment. The Earth's average temperatures have stopped climbing since the beginning of the millennium, and it even looks as though global warming could come to a standstill this year.

Ironically, climate change appears to have stalled in the run-up to the upcoming world summit in the Danish capital, where thousands of politicians, bureaucrats, scientists, business leaders and environmental activists plan to negotiate a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. Billions of euros are at stake in the negotiations.

Pretty snarky comments from someone so confident in their position. In case you didn't know, time travel is in fact not possible. How do we know these changes occurred before? It's called climatology and geology - they're part of the natural sciences. Check them out sometime you might learn something.

Is this science 100% accurate? No. Most sciences change and adapt to the new evidence that collects over time. Its the only method humans have to find out the real truth. Personally I'd rather err on the side of climate change happening and that perhaps we can delay or offset the consequences. To do nothing and keep forging ahead, thinking our actions have no effect on the planet is a fools game.

Originally posted by aravoth
I think now is the appropriate time to share this Gem of philosophical uberness. Listen well...... all of you......

funny, but Carlin was always a nihilist

A couple of points. First, just because they diddled with the data, doesn't mean that their conclusions are incorrect. I wholeheartedly agree that, once you mess with your data, all your results are suspect. You've blown your credibility, and any conclusions you reach are not to be trusted. Your data and results are completely useless. However, that doesn't make the conclusions wrong.

Another question that I have is whether these scientists were doing anything unusual. They're the ones who got caught. Are they the only ones who are corrupting their data? This question has implications far beyond the possibility of anthropogenic global warming.

It may be that these particular scientists are the only ones corrupting or discarding their data. One can dream... but I'd be surprised if somehow we just happened to unearth the only fraud being committed within the scientific community. The hacked e-mails just happen to be the ones sent by frauds? How convenient. What an amazing coincidence.

I'm concerned that this fraud may be more widespread than just this single incident. If that's the case, then we're paying billions of dollars for results that are essentially meaningless, having no scientific validity. Who's overseeing these guys, making sure they handle their data and results properly? Apparently, no one.

Is this incident just the tip of the iceberg?

Originally posted by mrsoul2009

Is this science 100% accurate? No. Most sciences change and adapt to the new evidence that collects over time. Its the only method humans have to find out the real truth. Personally I'd rather err on the side of climate change happening and that perhaps we can delay or offset the consequences. To do nothing and keep forging ahead, thinking our actions have no effect on the planet is a fools game.

Nobody is arguing that we humans should not be good stewards of our Planet, and we should do everything we can to keep our local environments clean... But to force global laws and to steal money on LIES is an absolute OUTRAGE! They know they are pushing a (how did you say that... oh yeah...) A FOOLS GAME onto fools who want to believe humans are capable of destroying or horribly changing our planet. When the truth is, whatever we humans do is simply a local event, while that little ol' thing those charlatans completely ignore.... you know... the SUN!!! The SUN is responsible for all the heat this planet receives..... While the dark side of the universe cools this planet... Not to mention the natural wobble of our planet, let alone its ecliptic around our SUN is completely responsible for our weather and the temperatures this entire world experiences.

Let alone this entire premise was started on a LIE... GREEN HOUSE GASES??? A green house is a closed environment, purposely built to hold in heat.... Our planet being referred to in any way shape or form as a green house is a damn lie and anyone with an ounce of knowledge and honesty knows that was complete nonsense.... And then, anyone who has paid attention to our planet and our solar system knows things change, weather and temperatures waxes and wanes because of the SUN and our ecliptic around it… let alone this planets up and down, towards and away movement as our Earth moves throughout the Solar System/Universe....

What that College did and what those EMAILS show is just how corrupt the entire Climate Change movement is... Which proves beyond measure... those who believe in it, and those who are attempting to force their will onto this planet cannot be trusted to be honest... which means something far more nefarious this way comes... and people are now PREPARED TO FIGHT these lies.... Because we will not be treated this way, we won't be lied to this way, and BY God we won't allow our entire way of life be changed off of lies... And that is what the entire Climate Change (aka Global Warming Sheeple) need to understand… You people need to back down and redo everything with complete openness and total accountability before people will be willing to listen to you once again… Right now any new laws will be meet with open rebellion, you can count on it!!!


--Charles Marcello


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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Right. Those are the years before satellites. I argue that data from back then was to iffy to be relevant anyways, so if it did hurt their mythology that makes it even more embarassing.

Not really IIB, the data that they threw away is most of the 150 years of raw temperature data until the 1980s when the records were thrown away.

In the 1980s we had satellites, not as many as now, but we had satellites taking temperature readings. in fact it was around 1979 that we began taking satellite temperature readings, but before that we were taking radiosonde temperature readings by way of weather ballons since about 1924, but have also HAD other records going back to 1850....

ALL that data was thrown away.....which is MOST of the raw data for the past 150 years.... We now have only the data since the 1990s until today.......

But we know for a fact that during the 1930s there have been record temperatures that are among the WARMEST....

We know that AT LEAST 4 of the warmest years were in the 1930s...and there were also WARMEST years in the 1920s, and even before.

NASA Revises Temperature Data - 1930's warmest on record!
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In a stunning turn of events data (quietly) released by NASA shows that the 4 warmest years ever recorded occurred in the 1930's, with the warmest year on record being 1934 (not 1998). Lets see if Al Gore revises his road show. Update - Global Warming is actually a Y2K bug!

Data discovered on NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) website revises recorded temperatures for the United States. It is expected that similar revisions will also be made for global temperature recordings. This information was discovered by Steve McIntyre of Climate Audit on Wednesday (8/8/2007). No NASA press release, no James Hansen (head of GISS) announcement, nothing. Could it be because they don't want anyone to see it? The data is certainly devastating for the Al Gore camp which has based much of their Carbon Credits sales pitch on recent temperatures (e.g. claiming that 1998 was the warmest on record).

Other aspects of the data are just as stunning.

Only 4 of the top 10 warmest years occurred in the past 10 years (1998, 1999, 2006)

Out of the top 10 warmest years half occurred before 1940

The years 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2004 were cooler than the year 1900

1996, just two years before what Al Gore called the hottest year in the history of the planet, was actually cooler than average.

1921 was the third warmest year in recorded history (behind 1934 and 1998).

www.globalwarminghoax.com...



[edit on 28-11-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Actually... that was just for the US, concerning a southern region of our country. The 1935 record temp was NOT a record global temp.

As for record GLOBAL temps, the 10 warmest years on record have ALL been within the last 12 years. 2005 was the warmest with 98/07 contending for second.

This past decade has been the warmest GLOBALLY on record.

This is what the science shows.

Originally posted by vox2442

No, their copy of all that data was thrown away.

Seriously, use your head here. You're talking about global data. Do you think that Japan, for example, would send the original meterological history archive, going back centuries, to a foreign university, in its entirety, no questions asked, and without keeping a copy on hand?
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The data for temperatures from Japan doesn't go back that far. Most of the data was gathered by countries like the U.S., and some European countries before other countries joined in much later on.

I don't know everything about Japan's history, but I love it's history because of my Martial Arts background, and mainly because of my training in Ninjutsu/Ninjitsu.

Japan is a country rich in history, but as far as their historical global temperatures, they weren't taking such temperatures as far back as other countries, like the U.S., were.

There are manuscripts from ancient Japan that depict extreme weather events and such, but no detailed records with temperature readings.

Anyway, the data which has been used by the IPCC to make the claims on Anthropogenic Global Warming comes from CRU, the same CRU that threw out all this data, and now say they can't retrieve any of it.

Originally posted by KeeperOfGenisis

Then can someone please explain to me why the polar regions are melting at such a fast rate if global warming doesn't exsist or is it just a bunch of guys with bunsen burners making the ice melt?

You do know that planet Earth is not the center of the universe? Or are there people who still believe the Earth is flat, that the Earth is the center of the Universe, and those lights in the night sky are just small holes out there....

The GLOBAL temperature of Earth started to COOL by around 2006, at the same time that the Sun's activity started to decrease to record lows. It is now a lot worse and even the Solar Wind is at an all time low.

However, the Sun's activity is at an all time low at least since we began keeping track, now the interplanetary magnetic field has weaken, which is formed by the Sun.

We know as a matter of fact that the cosmic radiation is an at all time high at least since we began to observe it, and scientists have found that because of the large fluctuations and weakening of the interplanetary magnetic field there is more cosmic radiation, charged particles, interplanetary dust, etc, entering the Solar System.

Not too long ago I posted an article which stated that scientists found out that something else is HEATING the Earth's atmosphere WHICH IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF THE INTERPLANETARY MAGNETIC FIELD BEING SO WEAK......it is NOT because of atmospheric CO2...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Read the following before you start jumping around and claiming this is because of atmospheric CO2...

Surprise In Earth's Upper Atmosphere: Mode Of Energy Transfer From The Solar Wind

www.sciencedaily.com
"Its like something else is heating the atmosphere besides the sun. This discovery is like finding it got hotter when the sun went down," said Larry Lyons, UCLA professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences and a co-author of the research, which is in press in two companion papers in the Journal of Geophysical Research.

Space radiation hits record high

Now, the influx of galactic cosmic rays into our solar system has reached a record high. Measurements by NASA's Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) spacecraft indicate that cosmic rays are 19 per cent more abundant than any previous level seen since space flight began a half century ago."The space era has so far experienced a time of relatively low cosmic ray activity," says Richard Mewaldt of Caltech, who is a member of the ACE team. "We may now be returning to levels typical of past centuries."

www.newscientist.com...

Anything that happens in the Solar System, and the regions of space through which the Solar System goes through do change the dynamics of the Solar System, and affects ALL planets including Earth.

This is a fact that many scientists found even back in 1978. I posted this data several years back in the forums.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Title:
Is the solar system entering a nearby interstellar cloud
Authors:
Vidal-Madjar, A.; Laurent, C.; Bruston, P.; Audouze, J.
Affiliation:
AA(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AB(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AC(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AD(Meudon Observatoire, Hauts-de-Seine; Paris XI, Universite, Orsay, Essonne, France)
Publication:
Astrophysical Journal, Part 1, vol. 223, July 15, 1978, p. 589-600. (ApJ Homepage)
Publication Date:
07/1978
Category:
Astrophysics
Origin:
STI
NASA/STI Keywords:
ASTRONOMICAL MODELS, DEUTERIUM, HYDROGEN ATOMS, INTERSTELLAR GAS, SOLAR SYSTEM, ABUNDANCE, EARLY STARS, GAS DENSITY, INTERSTELLAR EXTINCTION
DOI:
10.1086/156294
Bibliographic Code:
1978ApJ...223..589V

Abstract
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Observational arguments in favor of such a cloud are presented, and implications of the presence of a nearby cloud are discussed, including possible changes in terrestrial climate. It is suggested that the postulated interstellar cloud should encounter the solar system at some unspecified time in the near future and might have a drastic influence on terrestrial climate in the next 10,000 years.

adsabs.harvard.edu...





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Originally posted by NoHierarchy

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This past decade has been the warmest GLOBALLY on record.

This is what the science shows.

Obviously you did not bother to read the original article given in this thread...

The raw data which we could have used to find out what years were warmer WERE DELETED BY CRU......

You are making a CLAIM WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE TO CORROBORATE YOUR WILD CLAIM...

(I apologize for the caps. I am not yelling just trying to make obvious the main points)

There is research from ALL OVER THE GLOBE that shows that during the MEdieval WArm Period, and the Roman Warm period temperatures were much warmer than they were in the 20th century...

That's what REAL science is telling us...

450 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of "Man-Made" Global Warming

All credit for the following link, and article goes to member genius/idoit

Temperatures in Antarctica during warm periods between ice ages soared to up to 6C warmer than the present day, a study has shown.

Until now temperatures during the warm periods between ice ages - known as interglacials - were thought to be only slightly warmer than those of the present day, British Antarctic Survey (BAS) scientists explained. But the findings, published this week in journal Nature, show brief spikes in temperature, which recur roughly every 100,000 years and last a few thousand years, seem to have been a lot warmer.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Peer Reviewed Scientific Research That Refutes Anthropogenic Global Warming and More.

The following is just one of the several "peer-reviewed research papers" that I posted that shows that glaciers have been receeding and growing several times, and the 20th century warming, and the ongoing Climate Change continuing in the 21st century is not the worse that has happened to Earth in the past. At least not yet. Who knows what the Universe has in store for us and the Earth?...

The Holocene, Vol. 16, No. 5, 697-704 (2006)
DOI: 10.1191/0959683606hl964rp


Multicentury glacier fluctuations in the Swiss Alps during the Holocene
Ulrich E. Joerin
Institute of Geological Sciences, University of Bern, Baltzerstrasse 1, CH-3012 Bern, Switzerland, [email protected]

Thomas F. Stocker

Climate and Environmental Physics, Physics Institute, University of Bern, Sidlerstrasse 5, CH-3012 Bern, Switzerland

Christian Schlüchter

Institute of Geological Sciences, University of Bern, Baltzerstrasse 1, CH-3012 Bern, Switzerland

Subfossil remains of wood and peat from six Swiss glaciers found in proglacial fluvial sediments indicate that glaciers were smaller than the 1985 reference level and climatic conditions allowed vegetation growth in now glaciated basins. An extended data set of Swiss glacier recessions consisting of 143 radiocarbon dates is presented to improve the chronology of glacier fluctuations. A comparison with other archives and dated glacier advances suggests 12 major recession periods occurring at 9850- 9600, 9300-8650, 8550-8050, 7700-7550, 7450-6550, 6150-5950, 5700-5500, 5200-4400, 4300-3400, 2800-2700, 2150-1850, 1400-1200 cal. yr BP. It is proposed that major glacier fluctuations occurred on a multicentennial scale with a changing pattern during the course of the Holocene. After the Younger Dryas, glaciers receded to a smaller extent and prolonged recessions occurred repeatedly, culminating around 7 cal. kyr BP. After a transition around 6 cal. kyr BP weak fluctuations around the present level dominated. After 3.6 cal. kyr BP less frequent recessions interrupted the trend to advanced glaciers peaking with the prominent ‘Little Ice Age’. This trend is in line with a continuous decrease of summer insolation during the Holocene.

hol.sagepub.com...


The following is part of what the GLOBAL data has to say about the 20th century warming, and the continuing Climate Change.

On-line Publication Documentation System for Stockholm University
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Publication type: Article in journal (Reviewed scientific)
Author: Grudd, H (Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology)
Title: Torneträsk tree-ring width and density ad 500–2004: a test of climatic sensitivity and a new 1500-year reconstruction of north Fennoscandian summers
In: Climate Dynamics
Publisher: Springer, Berlin / Heidelberg
Volume: 31
Pages: 843-857
Year: 2008
Available: 2009-01-30
ISSN: 1432-0894
Department: Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology
Language: English [en]
Subject: Physical geography, Climatology
Abstract: This paper presents updated tree-ring width (TRW) and maximum density (MXD) from Torneträsk in northern Sweden, now covering the period ad 500–2004. By including data from relatively young trees for the most recent period, a previously noted decline in recent MXD is eliminated. Non-climatological growth trends in the data are removed using Regional Curve Standardization (RCS), thus producing TRW and MXD chronologies with preserved low-frequency variability. The chronologies are calibrated using local and regional instrumental climate records. A bootstrapped response function analysis using regional climate data shows that tree growth is forced by April–August temperatures and that the regression weights for MXD are much stronger than for TRW. The robustness of the reconstruction equation is verified by independent temperature data and shows that 63–64% of the instrumental inter-annual variation is captured by the tree-ring data. This is a significant improvement compared to previously published reconstructions based on tree-ring data from Torneträsk. A divergence phenomenon around ad 1800, expressed as an increase in TRW that is not paralleled by temperature and MXD, is most likely an effect of major changes in the density of the pine population at this northern tree-line site. The bias introduced by this TRW phenomenon is assessed by producing a summer temperature reconstruction based on MXD exclusively. The new data show generally higher temperature estimates than previous reconstructions based on Torneträsk tree-ring data. The late-twentieth century, however, is not exceptionally warm in the new record: On decadal-to-centennial timescales, periods around ad 750, 1000, 1400, and 1750 were equally warm, or warmer. The 200-year long warm period centered on ad 1000 was significantly warmer than the late-twentieth century (p < 0.05) and is supported by other local and regional paleoclimate data. The new tree-ring evidence from Torneträsk suggests that this “Medieval Warm Period” in northern Fennoscandia was much warmer than previously recognized.

www.diva-portal.org...

doi:10.1016/j.quaint.2007.06.001


Copyright © 2007 Elsevier Ltd and INQUA All rights reserved.
Extreme Nile floods and famines in Medieval Egypt (AD 930–1500) and their climatic implications

References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.

Fekri A. Hassana,

Institute of Archaeology, University College London, 31-34 Gordon Square, WC1H 0PY, London, UK

Available online 7 June 2007.

Abstract
Nile gauge records of variations in Nile floods from the 9th century to the 15th century AD reveal pronounced episodes of low Nile and high Nile flood discharge. Historical data reveal that this period was also characterized by the worst known famines on record. Exploratory comparisons of variations in Nile flood discharge with high-resolution data on sea surface temperature of the North Atlantic climate from three case studies suggest that rainfall at the source of the Nile was influenced by the North Atlantic Oscillation. However, there are apparently flip-flop reversals from periods when variations in Nile flood discharge are positively related to North Atlantic warming to periods where the opposite takes place. The key transitions occur atAD 900, 1010, 1070, 1180, 1350 and 1400. The putative flip-flop junctures, which require further confirmation, appear to be quite rapid and some seem to have had dramatic effects on Nile flood discharge, especially if they recurred at short intervals, characteristic of the period from the 9th to the 14th century, coincident with the so-called Medieval Warm Period. The transition from one state to the other was characterized by incidents of low, high or a succession of both low and high extreme floods. The cluster of extreme floods was detrimental causing famines and economic disasters that are unmatched over the last 2000 years.

www.sciencedirect.com

There have been WORSE Climate Changes in the past which caused the worse famines, floods, and economic disasters that have so far been unmatched by anything which has occurred in the 20th century, and this has been a global occurrence.



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P. D. Tyson, W. Karlén, K. Holmgren and G. A. Heiss (in press) The Little Ice Age and Medieval Warming in South Africa. South African Journal of Science.
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The Little Ice Age and Medieval Warming in South Africa
P. D. Tyson1, W. Karlén2, K. Holmgren2 and G. A. Heiss3.

1Climatology Research Group, University of the Witwatersrand
2Department of Physical Geography, Stockholm University
3Geomar, Wischhofstr. 1-3, 24148 Kiel, Germany; present address: German Advisory Council on Global Change (WBGU), P.O. Box 120161, 27515 Bremerhaven, Germany, E-mail: [email protected]

Abstract

The Little Ice Age, from around 1300 to 1800, and medieval warming, from before 1000 to around 1300 in South Africa, are shown to be distinctive features of the regional climate of the last millennium. The proxy climate record has been constituted from oxygen and carbon isotope and colour density data obtained from a well-dated stalagmite derived from Cold Air Cave in the Makapansgat Valley.
The climate of the interior of South Africa was around 1°C cooler in the Little Ice Age and may have been over 3°C higher than at present during the extremes of the medieval warm period. It was variable throughout the millennium, but considerably more so during the warming of the eleventh to thirteenth centuries. Extreme events in the record show distinct teleconnections with similar events in other parts of the world, in both the northern and southern hemispheres. The lowest temperature events recorded during the Little Ice Age in South Africa are shown to be coeval with the Maunder and Sporer Minima in solar irradiance. The medieval warming is shown to have been coincided with the cosmogenic 10Be and 14C isotopic maxima recorded in tree rings elsewhere in the world during the Medieval Maximum in solar radiation.

www-user.uni-bremen.de...

Evidence for the existence of the medieval warm period in China
Journal Climatic Change
Publisher Springer Netherlands
ISSN 0165-0009 (Print) 1573-1480 (Online)
Issue Volume 26, Numbers 2-3 / March, 1994
DOI 10.1007/BF01092419
Pages 289-297
Subject Collection Earth and Environmental Science
SpringerLink Date Monday, February 07, 2005
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Evidence for the existence of the medieval warm period in China
De'Er Zhang1

(1) Chinese Academy of Meteorological Sciences, Baishiqiaolu No. 46, 100081 Beijing, China


Abstract The collected documentary records of the cultivation of citrus trees andBoehmeria nivea (a perennial herb) have been used to produce distribution maps of these plants for the eighth, twelfth and thirteenth centuries A.D. The northern boundary of citrus andBoehmeria nivea cultivation in the thirteenth century lay to the north of the modern distribution. During the last 1000 years, the thirteenth-century boundary was the northernmost. This indicates that this was the warmest time in that period. On the basis of knowledge of the climatic conditions required for planting these species, it can be estimated that the annual mean temperature in south Henan Province in the thirteenth century was 0.9–1.0°C higher than at present. A new set of data for the latest snowfall date in Hangzhou from A.D. 1131 to 1264 indicates that this cannot be considered a cold period, as previously believed.

www.springerlink.com...

Other members and myself have been posting for years hundreds of research that shows the truth about the ongoing Climate change.

Years ago I thought that mankind could be making the climate worse. I was very naive and believed the lies of the IPCC and the AGW proponents, but the more I learned, and the more I researched this topic, the more I realized that meanwhile mankind can affect the environment, we have no effect on the climate whatsoever.

There are forces that mankind has no control over whatsoever nomatter how much the environmentalists want to claim that mankind is omnipotent.

We are experiencing something right now which Earth hasn't experienced for at least 1,000 years, if not more.

The Earth's magnetic field has been having large fluctuations and has been weakening worse than has occurred for tens of thousands of years, so anything that happens in the Solar System, and anything that happens to the Solar System is amplified on earth because our defenses are down, and this is not because of mankind.

Even the Interplanetary Magnetic Field has been having very large fluctuations and is weaker than it has been for a long time.

If this continues there are WORSE things that will happen and there is NOTHING we can do except ADAPT and SURVIVE, just like mankind had to do many times in the past.

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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
The data for temperatures from Japan doesn't go back that far. Most of the data was gathered by countries like the U.S., and some European countries before other countries joined in much later on.

www.jma.go.jp...

The current government agency was formed in 1875. Older records were kept at astronomical observatories (such as the Edo in what's now Tokyo, whose records go back to the 1830s), and at all of the ports for a bit further back than that - weather forecasting has always been a bit important for a country that relies on the sea.

Granted, the data prior to 1800 is a bit sketchy - as thermometers weren't exactly high tech anywhere in the world at that point - but they were being used. I've seen thermometers and barometers that the Dutch brought over in museums - dating from the 1700s.

Originally posted by mrsoul2009
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Personally I'd rather err on the side of climate change happening and that perhaps we can delay or offset the consequences. To do nothing and keep forging ahead, thinking our actions have no effect on the planet is a fools game.

I am sorry but you think that implementing taxes, and emission caps on a PERFECTLY GOOD GAS which with HIGHER LEVELS cause the entire world GREEN BIOMASS to grow bigger, and have more harvests, hence feeding more people, and making international laws trying to stop this gas WHICH IS FOOD FOR NATURE, meanwhile allowing China, Russia, India and other countries to continue to increase their anthropogenic gases, plus the fact that these are the WORSE polluters in the WORLD, and you think this is going to delay anything?....

What is going to delay is the fact that the worse polluters are going to be allowed to have no caps whatsoever on CO2 or any other gas, or chemicals. This will MOVE jobs to these countries where people are being paid a missery to work for their governments, meanwhile these governments continue to pollute the oceans without any restrains...

How exactly is this going to "delay anything"?....



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reply to post by vox2442


But don't you see what is happening? The UN, the IPCC are using the claims from CRU to implement taxes on a perfectly good gas which is known to be benefitial for the entire Earth at MUCH HIGHER LEVELS than at present. Yet the UN, the IPCC, the AL Gorians etc CLAIM they can't present evidence of past temperatures because the raw data was deleted.

No matter if other countries have stored this data, these people are going to continue to use CRU, and similar agencies who have been rigging the data to propose their AGW SCAM...

Yes, the data is out there, and you can see that the globe was WARMER in past periods like the Medieval Warm, and the Roman Warm Periods but the IPCC through the University of East Anglia (UEA) and the CRU are making their CLAIMS based on nothing but lies.

You can even see some of the past research data some other members and myself have digged up which says the 20th century warming was not exceptional, but the IPCC doesn't care about that. They politicized first Anthropogenic Global Warming, and now Climate Change to implement laws to control people, and to tax people BASED ON A LIE.

Their whole agenda from the beginning has been to rig the data no matter what for their main goal of a One World Government, and a One World Economy having a One World Army which will do whatever these corrupt nations in the UN want them to do.

It would take several months if not years to once again put together all this data, but what they are doing is gaining time so that their One World Government implementing GREEN LAWS can control the world more easily.




[edit on 29-11-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

I assume this is in here somewhere but I don't have time to read it right now - here's the CNN piece on CRU

reply to post by notreallyalive


Notice how the CNN hides the facts that there are hundreds of peer reviewed research that shows AGW is a FARCE, and they show "Americans" who are ignorant and just jumped in the bandwagon as "a mayority" who still believe Anthropogenic Global Warming is happening....

This is another case of bad reporting by the CNN trying to dismiss this data.

BTW, the 2,500 "so called scientists" in the IPCC are for the most part just POLICYMAKERS.

We have had several threads showing the fact that most of the people who were part of the IPCC were environmentalists, policymakers etc, and MANY of the real scientists who have been part of the IPCC have said this and stated the IPCC doesn't care about science, but rather using AGW as a political, and economic tool...

CNN SUCKS AS ALWAYS....

reply to post by JIMC5499


I am sorry to say that the books were put into the trash several years ago.

The fact that they moved into a new building and the insane amount of grant money they were receiving as well as the increased importance of their work, I am assuming now that they moved to a BETTER and more spaceous facility, providing MORE ROOM for the massive amount of data they were to store and work with.

Just that statement alone proves they are FICTION WRITERS and nothing more.

Their pants are down.

Originally posted by Vitchilo

The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA worst excuse EVER. Not enough space? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?

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Actually the people to blame are the big corps. that force us to use oil and such. I mean when everything runs off it and you have no real other choice what the heck do you expect the normal person to do?

We still have to get to work and school some how, we still have to use oil burning equipment to grow our crops and gather it. If you can magically just start making us all pollution free equipment then do it till then shut up.

I agree though something does need to be done, but we are not causing as much as you like to think we are with global warming. The areas we need to focus on are where we dump our waste, and what to do with said waste.


[edit on 30-11-2009 by Exeas]

not going to nitpick all the pages since i last posted.

This is all the 'global warming' evidence i need.














The point I'm making, is that with so much different data, and different scientists with their own agenda, government funding to get certain prescribed results, and everyone else's opinion, its practically impossible to know whats going on.

A quick google will throw all kinds of figures and facts in your face, and plenty of them will directly contradict one another.
Is global warming real? Who knows.

But when so many people are telling us so many different things, I'm not too upset that UEA threw away some data.
Even when they say 'corrected' data it doesn't necessarily mean its been butchered. They could be on about accounting for measurement errors, typos, random anomalies - OK its not the pure raw data, but the gist of it will still be the same.

Originally posted by selfisolatedGet your facts straight, and stop acting like stereotypical, dumbf*ck retard american rednecks.

that is a term of abuse directed against white people, what is going on there

if this data ever turns up, I could do with a hard copy- need to get the fire lit and could do with some fuel, it is mighty chilly in Belfast today