Climate change data dumped

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Because it is summer in the Southern Hemisphere.

Second Line.

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and the Northern hemisphere whats your excuse for that?

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I don't think anyone is denying that the climate changes. The debate is whether humans can influence climate change and whether human activity is responsible for global warming.

Whatever is the truth, I don't think "taxation" will fix anything. More taxes means people have to build more gadgets in order to compensate for more expenses.

It only adds fuel to the fire.

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wow...and i bet they all get away with it too. this is sickening. i thought it was a scam from the start but with new evidence arising daily there no way they can refute that they have been trying to decieve the public.

Originally posted by nyk537
First off let me start with this...Global Warming is the biggest scam in the history of mankind.

There...I said it.

It's no surprise to see confirmation of this type of activity now, especially considering many of us knew it was happening back then. The entire GW conspiracy has been nothing more than a political tool to control the masses since the start.

The data was mostly completely manufactured...and the real data than contradicted what they were saying was either destroyed or concealed.

No surprises here.

x 1.5 quadrillion!!
For those who didn't question the 'convenient' solution to the supposed problem of carbon I feel sad... But luckily now it seems the majority of the public has really opened their eyes to the idea that it's all just a tax grab using fear which I find deplorable.

[edit on 29-11-2009 by Solar.Absolution]

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Jones was not in charge of the CRU when the data were thrown away in the 1980s, a time when climate change was seen as a less pressing issue. The lost material was used to build the databases that have been his life’s work, showing how the world has warmed by 0.8C over the past 157 years.

This is contradictory, as how could Jones have used this data if it had been deleted (tapes thrown away) before he even worked there. It just doesn't make sense!

[edit on 29-11-2009 by john124]

To me, this is more damaging than anything I've seen from the leaked emails.

Frankly, I'm sick of both sides of the issue.

There is no shortage of arrogance or ineptitude in either direction.

Keystone science.

Nice going boys.



[edit on 29-11-2009 by loam]

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I agree, I did not see anything more than speculation from the emails, but this is different - it's an admission from the University of East Anglia (UEA) which fits in with the speculation that was based on the leaked emails.

There was an email about data being deleted before it would ever be released - sounds like it was talking about this, unless someone from the inside knew about this data being dumped because of the reason give in the source, and were involved with the hacking and doctored the emails to make them look incriminating.

[edit on 29-11-2009 by john124]

LOL did you see the name of the person who wrote the article?

'Jonathan Leake, Environment Editor'.

Originally posted by slimpickens93
reply to post by KeeperOfGenisis

 

I don't think anyone is denying that the climate changes. The debate is whether humans can influence climate change and whether human activity is responsible for global warming.

Whatever is the truth, I don't think "taxation" will fix anything. More taxes means people have to build more gadgets in order to compensate for more expenses.

It only adds fuel to the fire.

I agree that taxation will never stop climate change and is a very disengenious method of change. I much prefer education rather than hitting people with a big taxation stick

Any geologist can confirm that climate change is part of world history, and can be proven by most archeological and geological research.

The question should be, by how much is human behaviour influencing the rate of change of the climate? - if at all ?

Taxation only serves to create division of haves and have nots. check out recent taxation history in the UK, it has only further increased the distance between the wealthy and the poorer classes.

multiply this across the rich west, up and coming eastern economies and the "third world" and then we will create serious social disorder and disfunction.

[edit on 29/11/09 by osc121]

If we weren't all so passified with fluorides in our systems, these CRU and IPCC folks along with Al Gore and Holdren would have been lynched and tarred and feathered.

Yet, here we are, angry in our comfy office chairs and nothing gets done.

Originally posted by Aelfrede
LOL did you see the name of the person who wrote the article?

'Jonathan Leake, Environment Editor'.

Yeah , in a true spirit of ATS even people's names seem either fabricated or a phenomenal case of synchronicity.

Of course, the taxation you guys would get is yet another way to take away your freedom, nothing more nothing less. All the industrial/car pollution can be solved through technology which already exists.... but there's no place for Oil in it.

[edit on 29-11-2009 by SassyCat]

Originally posted by mikelee
I mean, its the same man who claimed he "invented the internet" so if thats the kind of leadership the global warmers accept, then their data must be skewed to say the least.

FYI: Al Gore did not claim to invent the internet, he said "I took initiative in creating the Internet". While that's pretty terrible wording, invent and create mean two different things.

source: www.snopes.com...

Originally posted by littlebunny
What an OUTRAGE!!! How dare these charlatans claim they had to delete those files to save room. The mere fact they admit to deleting those files proves beyond any reasonable doubt they planned to LIE!!! What an OUTRAGE!!!

Whoa, whoa whoa. Dial that rage back in a bit littlebunny.

What was deleted? Absolutely nothing. We're talking about reams and reams of paper here. We're talking about spool after spool of data collected here. We are not talking about dragging files to a recycle bin, we're talking about an institution trashing a bunch of physical data to save physical space. A quarter of a century ago. A. Quarter. Of. A. Century. Twenty five years. It's human error. Plain and simple.

The trashing of this data (and make no mistake, that's what this is) is a travesty. It will call into question every single one of the findings that this institution make with regards to this particular project at least. With that said, if they were looking to lie about the whole thing all along, why explain that the data set is based on adjusted figures in the first place? Why not claim that it's the original data? At least they've been honest enough to explain that the original data no longer exists with them. As others have pointed out, it presumably will still exist somewhere, so all is not lost.

No one, and I mean no one in my government, (THE USA Government), had better attempt to pass any global climate change bills until this absolute betrayal of the ENTIRE Science Community is resolved! If there is not a complete denunciation of this ENTIRE College and the Entire Climate Change movement by every single Scientific field across the board, then the world will know without question these charlatans tried to destroy honest scientific work around the world and have totally and completely destroyed our trust we have mistakenly given that entire community.

Whoa there, slow down a little. The "ENTIRE College"? Even every little part that doesn't deal with this particular project? The nursing programme? The economics programme? Get a grip, take a step back from the keyboard and breathe.

We should demand a complete and total investigation. Every State in the United States should start their own investigation into this entire sorted affair, I realize this happened outside the USA but their dishonesty affects the entire world... let alone how long has the entire Scientific community been lying!! How can we trust these scientist about anything now, how can we trust them about anything?

Investigate what? How can they investigate this "sorted [sordid?] affair"? I was under the impression that most states in the US probably do already look at climate change in some capacity. If not, they probably should be.

[blah blah blah blah...] and now this despicable act committed by that college... then the whole entire science community will be damned for a very long time and rightfully so!!!


--Charles Marcello
[edit on 29-11-2009 by littlebunny]

"Despicable act"? Really? Oh well, all's not lost

www.uea.ac.uk...

"Over 95% of the CRU climate data set concerning land surface temperatures has been accessible to climate researchers, sceptics and the public for several years the University of East Anglia has confirmed."

Honestly, sometimes RAGING AGAINST THE MACHINE just doesn't work. Take your time.

Wow double post. My apologies.

[edit on 29-11-2009 by Vv la Vv]

from source material
The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.

In a statement on its website, the CRU said: “We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.”

I have read and re-read the source material

in anybodys comprehension of the english language - that is deletion of the origianl data and only keeping data that had already been manipulated.

I'm new to this forum, but from what i can determine , this is a conspiracy website!

this post is about highlighting the fact that this acedemic place is leading the charge in climate change data and technology, it has just been exposed through hacking of making data suite its theories. when another institute wants to do their own research, the original data has mysteriously been destroyed, and only kept in altered form

therefore conspiracies will eminate.

I beleive that the data will be stored elsewhere, but in greatly fragmented forms and will take a vast amount of manhours to collate and re-analyse.

but this is is essential before any climate change protagonists try to push through any further radical change

Originally posted by nyk537
First off let me start with this...Global Warming is the biggest scam in the history of mankind.

There...I said it.

Actually, organized religion is history's biggest scam, however the direction that the whole GW cult is planning to take humanity would definitely put this one up there with the best of them.

Well I for one am severely peeed off that global warming is NOT happening.

Its absolutely baltic here in Scotland. I was looking forward to some nice weather for a change.

What a disappointment.

Sick to death of these scientists making up stuff about the future.

lemme see, AIDS, never happened. I remember being told once that my home town, Edinburgh, was the AIDS capital of the world. I'm still waiting to meet somebody who has it.

Millenium Bug, never happened. We all remember waiting for the planes to fall out of the sky. Just a money spinner.

Swine Flu, what a joke.

Now Global Warming.

Everyday they tell us what we should or shouldn't eat or drink. Usually one contradicts the other. Its all nonsence. Just people who are afraid of real work who talk themselves into cushy numbers where they get paid to make stuff up.

Its really sad when science is reduced to this.

[edit on 29-11-2009 by bigyin]

Its no wonder I just had 3 months off this forum...

stop being so bloody stupid. READ the article, PROPERLY.
The data was thrown away 30 years ago, at a time when 'climate change' was a bit of a non issue, in the same way people today REALLY care where their 'recycling' actually goes.

Of course they threw it away. It was on outdated storage media, they were moving buildings, they were going to throw away non important stuff.

Just because we've all had climate change rammed down our throats lately doesn't warrant calling a bunch of scientists liars for one slipup 3 decades ago.

I'm not taking either side on the issue - there's just as much evidence to support both sides of the 'global warming' phenomena, and nobody can be TOO sure whats actually going on - in fact, we probably won't know until its too late.

And - this isn't directed at everyone in the thread, just most of you - go and read scientific fact from both sides. Don't just cherry pick the bits you want to be true - you're just as bad as the politicians if you do that.
Get your facts straight, and stop acting like stereotypical, dumbf*ck retard american rednecks.

Apologies to those who aren't idiots, but it needed to be said.

Originally posted by selfisolated
Its no wonder I just had 3 months off this forum...

stop being so bloody stupid. READ the article, PROPERLY.
The data was thrown away 30 years ago, at a time when 'climate change' was a bit of a non issue, in the same way people today REALLY care where their 'recycling' actually goes.

Indeed. I too tired of intellectual midgets, but for about a year.

Now, instead of endless moronic threads by "christians" about how the world hates "christians", we are treated to endless moronic threads about AGW. Change the record, will you? Or at least actually read the evidence instead of seeing what you want.

Yawn. You are irrelevant. Bye.

Russia today news channel is running an hourly story of how they fiddled the data to fit the global warming agenda...