"Liberals" the New Hate Group

reply to post by mopusvindictus



You have raised some very valid questions and made some witty remarks; it's just a shame it was delivered with such animosity. Especially to those that you disagreed with. I think folks would take you more seriously if you could express a little more tolerance. You sound as intolerant as those you are railing against.
You sound pissed to me.


[edit on 28-11-2009 by whaaa]

Originally posted by Exemplar
It saddens me that people are so quick to divide themselves up into liberals and conservatives or whatever you want to label yourself. Especially when the people that pretend to represent their "teams" interests are only really interested in fattening their wallet. I detest labels and generalizations. They only serve to divide and conquer, to keep the hate going. I'm an American citizen and a person, not a member of a pigeon-holed group-think movement that was hijacked long ago. I have my own thoughts and opinions. I don't need them forced on me by talking heads. In the end, we're all Americans. We're all in the same boat and we better figure that out before we ALL drown.

IMO it's silly that people are totally into the "left" Vs "right" drama as if it was a cheesy day time poorly written soap opera. There are friends who become foes, rumor, innuendo, scandal, in-fighting, back stabbing, un-ethical sex.. all the elements of cheese.

All these goofy people are nutty characters playing their part by regurgitating mindless establishment rhetoric or party talking points.. supplied by writers.

How is one guy wearing make up standing reading someones words off a screen all that different than...

Another dude, also wearing make up, reciting someones words off a cue card or script?..

One stands at a podium, reads from a teleprompter.. he's called president. The other reads cue cards standing on a stage / set.. he's called a clown (actor).

The only big difference I see is that the actor is honest about being a clown, and the clown wont admit he's an actor.

I Don't get the OP...

.. The guy is preaching Anti-Hate...

but yet... he is one of the most hateful person i have seen on this site-, making extremely hateful comments..

You are a mystery, mate..

reply to post by savagediver


Maybe your just not able to follow non linear thought?

I don't wish to be insulting... seriously.

But I am honestly and truely a member of Mensa... and what I have found in my life is that most of the time people who create a genuine "problem" with me...

Are people who need to have to have order, explanation and rules....simply can't handle that I can bounce between a variety of thoughts very quickly and sometimes have hidden messages that are too subtle to be seen if your reading only individual lines not absorbing the whole or able to look back in reference over time and things of that nature.

Have you ever wondered why not a single president has been a genius of any sort? No genuine radical out there thought, no major innovation? Not actually all that bright any of them?

It's because generally people when they don't understand what your saying will do what your doing, accuse you of some kind of mental illness, drop the IQ another notch it's torches and pitch forks for those people...

So please

spare me

from your inability to follow me... your disgusting accusations and question your own abilities...

Because 22 stars shows 22 people follow me quite fine... and get where I am going with this...

It's you that misses the point and wants to throw insults...

now if I wanted to stoop to your level...

I could tell you you actually have an completely undeveloped sense of self in that you follow a singular deity without question, your IQ is probably bellow average making you compared to me an Animal and that your using a coping method of displacement in that you probably have various mental disorders and choose to try and analyze others from afar and make accusations of mental illness in order to hide from your own

But I wont do that

Because I don't want to be a blind and ignorant person who thinks they can actually psychoanalyze someone they don't know...

reply to post by Polynomial C


Exactly

YOU DON'T GET ME

So switch to questions instead of decisions

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Tell me .. what am i suppose to get??..

.. All i see is a large number of posts and you preaching something about family, palin, and labeling Liberals as hateful-unhappy-fat anti-baby idiots...

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
Truth is dude... I might not wish to Live in their neighborhood per say, I might not embrace the culture as my own and adopt the language and phrases...

But I can't exactly imagine an America without it's African American community

Obama imho... will destroy it...

First thing I saw was the "community service thing" putting kids from all walks of life into tents for the summer...

To do what?

Screw each other like Camp lol... it's obvious what the agenda of integration is to the man... and that's GREAT when it happens naturally

But 40 Million African Americans divided into 300 Million others = 0 African Americans when said and done...

The ELIMINATION of RACE

It's very fascist if you ask me...very nationalistic, not multicultural at all, very, very BLAND

Well the elimination of race will occur eventually- I believe as a matter of nature taking its coarse. It my take several thousand years, but eventually it might be very hard to find a pure bread. Geographic limitations was the barrier for most of history... Provided you have the skill and the desire, one could conceivably jump on a flight and impregnate a gal from just about any nation with in 24 hours. A hundred years ago the same mission might take a month or more... Now culture will likely endure, for that is greatly dependent upon geographic circumstance.

I also do not understand how Obama will destroy the AA community, the AA community
endured some pretty trying positions throughout history. The AA community is as much about culture as it is color IME...

And please explain how you see these "developments" as nationalistic -

Nationalistic uses symbols of the nation, ties them to national ideas, which results in a perpetual referencing of the symbols furthering the distillation of the national ideals.

So I do not really think the idea of nationalism fits this -

No flag waving

among other things

Originally posted by Polynomial C
reply to post by mopusvindictus

 

Tell me .. what am i suppose to get??..

.. All i see is a large number of posts and you preaching something about family, palin, and labeling Liberals as hateful-unhappy-fat anti-baby idiots...

I agree, you have mental disorders, did you ever think 22 stars might indicate the love that people feel towards liberals. This thread is an intervention to stop the hate of babies, real americans and country folks. This thread exposes the hate by dousing it with pure admiration and love!

reply to post by whaaa


Ah...

K

You are right... there was an angry tone as this began...

And again you are right, I was in truth very PO'd, you are perceptive, I salute you.

Let me explain the untold side of why I started more PO'd than a well written piece should have been...


I was on the phone (and this was in Tandem with reading the Palin threads...)

With a person who is a user of these forums back East, a long time friend of 25 years...

This person who definitively has had to have seen and read this, proceeded to get on the phone with me and Berate me, the third time this year...

It's hard to explain the gist of it...

I have chosen the last 2 years to lead a simpler life... I live on a mountain, i'm reopening an at home business, so I get to be home whenever I want...I meditate, I hang out, I enjoy nature and I am making my life very easy, see my kids when I want to, and when I have a relationship I get to Make Love at Noon on a Tuesday...

I really LOVE my life...

Now my pal, he gets on the phone and starts and again this is not the first time...

1: "Dave your a genius you can do anything you want with your life and your wasting it...." (as if satisfaction is a waste)

2: "You have no STATUS... I work for the CITY and you can be someone...
(99% of my life by the way I earn double what he does)"

3: You can Never meet a jewish Girl where you are (as if that matters to me)

4: Your missing out on Clubs and culture and opportunities (because I want to go out to 50% Gay place to meet women or wish to CLAW my way up the ladder of some corporation to NEVER get paid as much as I can earn myself)

5: You could have a place in the City ( for 5x the price and 1/3 the space) that I never actually own btw

6: IF I WAS YOU I'D BE A SENATOR (yeah because I like those god damn phonies)

And it goes ON and ON and ON

And the phone was hung up when I responded...

So IN PART this was a challenge to actually DEBATE ME on the subject and a Calling out of a particular person...

WHO...

Has worked and gotten out of bed every day every day at 6:00 Am for the last 20 years where I have made it up by noon and made MORE money in my time...

Who commutes 90 minutes every day for a salary

Who pays most of that Salary just to have a home...

Who is sad every day because he has no kids...

Who works and supports minorities every day, but had to move away and commute that far from LI to the Bronx and doesn't even Live in the City "because the crime was out of control" and does not LIVE among them despite all the bs rhetoric about how open and "real" he is

Who wanted to work in a creative field just like me.... But abandoned it for SECURITY of a Govt wage...

Who claims to love the outdoors and be a free spirit but gets 2 weeks a Year because he has to work summers anyway despite a profession that would allow summers off to go enjoy it...



So this was in part... a challenge to that person who knows who he is and will assuredly read this... to please come debate me in an open public forum about why your miserable life is better then mine...

Because that person and associated peers (and I love you guys) hate your damned lives

And I am sick and tired of greed and status and the rest and watching it DESTROY people, causes and efforts and wanting to change the world which NEVER actually happens as an excuse for a life that really just blows ...

Two of our friends works 16 hrs day

One of Five... has a single child the rest, your family line is EXTINCT

You don't have more space and 5 x the stress...

You can never make more money than the STATE allows your a Socialist dope (directed at the person oc)



So yeah... a bit of anger when you watch your loved ones utterly screw up in life then they rationalize behind some cause or higher calling and attack you...

And I relate it to The Palin threads in a way

And she is screwing up becoming a media whore to a degree... but her life compared to OBAMAS...

NO Xmas presents for the kids, long hrs Urban blight and suffering as your daily job?

Palin has it or HAD it right before she got all caught up in this mess...

And yeah, him and the others are anti her whole thing too...

And why?

To grinch it out in an Urban nightmare with some rationalization that your doing it for King and Country when King and Country basically wants you in a cubicle alone with weird agendas for your life...

When did I Join Starship Troopers?

Answer... I did not

And this all freaks me out...

The mandatory service for kids...

Extra long school days...

Mandated Health treatments....

Elimination of Diversity... In exchange for racial uniformity

It's not liberal.. It's Not a good life , it's DEFINITELY NOT LIBERAL nor FUN

So in this was a challenge

To a person to please debate your horrid life...

And a challenge to those that really THINK that their Star ship Trooper like existence has any merit whatsoever or is anything other than a Fascist nationalistic ploy...

That person works in EDUCATION and sits BLINDLY by while our kids text books push social agendas not Math and Science and Education is a National One sided portrayal of views. And I say to that NO BALLS to stand up and do something about if your an educator...

There is 0 Creativity in National education standards
Creativity is what will allow us to be competitive not become some big beige Fascist super state with no dumb ass child left behind while smart kids suffer and are forced to CONFORM THOUGHT

That this is happening now under the guise of LIBERALISM scares the crap out of me...

Some of the response are so blind they scare the crap out of me...

They are into our children, they are into population control, they are into thought control, they are into removing our right to fight back, they control speech, they are controlling thought via the schools under the guise of holding up babies and other seemingly righteous causes but it's THOUGHT Control and Language control

They are trying to clamp in every single spot where you can live outside the box, Farms are all giant corporate monstrosities, th1/3 the country under the guise of protection of forests has been closed off to human occupation and this is what they want

US crammed into "Living zones" with the rest off limits living in cubicles, working in cubicles having no kids and serving THE STATE

And to do it under the guise...THE GUISE of a Liberal Agenda is SICKENING

The life they want for us SUCKS and worse...worse they are convincing us to ASK for it... fight for it lol, Rationalize it

I will NOT live like an Insect or follow these people

The biggest JOKE in it all...

We FLED from all these other nations ran for our lives and came here and now we are slowly being brainwashed back into a European Socialist Corporate system of control which is nothing... any more than our cities are becoming NOTHING more than a Technological return to a Feudal system... the CITY being the castle and the burbs being the farms...

I'm in it for FREEDOM

Not to serve the god damn manor...

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by Polynomial C
reply to post by mopusvindictus

 

Tell me .. what am i suppose to get??..

.. All i see is a large number of posts and you preaching something about family, palin, and labeling Liberals as hateful-unhappy-fat anti-baby idiots...

I agree, you have mental disorders, did you ever think 22 stars might indicate the love that people feel towards liberals. This thread is an intervention to stop the hate of babies, real americans and country folks. This thread exposes the hate by dousing it with pure admiration and love!

No they stared my thread stop being a TROLL and my posts throughout, some people agree with me...

And that is EXACTLY WHY you are now on the other side, the side against freedom...

You can't disagree... without labeling others for removal, branding them as sick or ill or unstable...

Your sitting here right now... for no reason saying i'm unstable..

IF IF IF you had any REAL power

You'd Label me for real...

And that would have me locked away right?

What is a better definition for TYRANNY for FASCISM for DICTATORSHIP

Than having No actual argument but rather LABEL someone as mentally ill and throwing away the key?

Your going to tell me that is Liberal? Simply branding the opposition and then putting them in institutions...

You can sit here and believe your own Crap when you say these things?

Every behavior fits some classification of Mental Illness if you don't go along with "the way things are supposed to be" these days doesn't it?

That's Liberal HUH?

What a PATHETIC set of attempts to derail and troll out the thread... PATHETIC

reply to post by Janky Red


And Lady? you are a Lady right, hard to tell with that hair cut...

when did you get a degree in clinical psychology?

care to elaborate what gives you the right to label people mentally unfit?

Or do you just like your own little version of witch hunts where you get to scream or blow a whistle on anyone who disagrees with these sick philosophies?


That's a nice liberal society right...classify all the non believers with a disorder blow a whistle and throw them away...

And please both of you TROLLS who have nothing to say besides one liners...

If you want to go Insults and accusation i'll get so raw I'll make you cry...

That's allot of nerve going post after post saying i'm mentally Ill...

Polynomial you have offered NOTHING but insults

and you Lady look like Stepford wife without the good looks... Take some estrogen or something before you grow a mustache...

Originally posted by mopusvindictus

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by Polynomial C
reply to post by mopusvindictus

 

Tell me .. what am i suppose to get??..

.. All i see is a large number of posts and you preaching something about family, palin, and labeling Liberals as hateful-unhappy-fat anti-baby idiots...

I agree, you have mental disorders, did you ever think 22 stars might indicate the love that people feel towards liberals. This thread is an intervention to stop the hate of babies, real americans and country folks. This thread exposes the hate by dousing it with pure admiration and love!

No they stared my thread stop being a TROLL and my posts throughout, some people agree with me...

And that is EXACTLY WHY you are now on the other side, the side against freedom...

You can't disagree... without labeling others for removal, branding them as sick or ill or unstable...

Your sitting here right now... for no reason saying i'm unstable..

IF IF IF you had any REAL power

You'd Label me for real...

And that would have me locked away right?

What is a better definition for TYRANNY for FASCISM for DICTATORSHIP

Than having No actual argument but rather LABEL someone as mentally ill and throwing away the key

No in fact I was pointing out that you responded to C with...

Because 22 stars shows 22 people follow me quite fine... and get where I am going with this...

It's you that misses the point and wants to throw insults...

now if I wanted to stoop to your level...

I could tell you you actually have an completely undeveloped sense of self in that you follow a singular deity without question, your IQ is probably bellow average making you compared to me an Animal and that your using a coping method of displacement in that you probably have various mental disorders and choose to try and analyze others from afar and make accusations of mental illness in order to hide from your own

I was pointing out that; you sound sort of spiteful for OP a thread addressing hatred.

Your point about liberals not adhering to liberal ideals is true to some degree...

The point of liberalism is to let people do and say what they want, believe what they want.

But that does not mean that liberalism means being completely passive.



[edit on 28-11-2009 by Janky Red]

reply to post by Janky Red


And for the record the most unscientific wish for the destruction of a species I have ever heard...

WE ARE THE LEAST GENETICALLY DIVERSE MAMMAL ALIVE

There should be hairy people and green people and polka dotted people and giants and dwarfs...

And there aren't because we have alternatively been either eradicating ourselves and diversity by war and breeding for 100,000 years

The real reason you WISH it will inevitably be that way, is because at your core, you can't handle racial diversity nor allow people to be different so you would support boldly anything that relieves that discomfort

I would say 90% of this PC movement hasn't come from BLACK people but rather White people like yourself who are entirely uncomfortable with any actual diversity

There is always some CURE in this country for the "BLACK PROBLEM" and since after Hitler throwing different people into Gas chambers is out of the question people now support integration as the IDEAL way for eliminating other races

It still makes you a horribly racist person

God forbid we should live in a different world of colors and breeds right?

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by Janky Red

 

And Lady? you are a Lady right, hard to tell with that hair cut...

when did you get a degree in clinical psychology?

care to elaborate what gives you the right to label people mentally unfit?

Or do you just like your own little version of witch hunts where you get to scream or blow a whistle on anyone who disagrees with these sick philosophies?


That's a nice liberal society right...classify all the non believers with a disorder blow a whistle and throw them away...

Are you saying I look like Marcy Darcy?

I am a thumb wrestling champion you know...

reply to post by Janky Red


I don't know what your little chuckle means or what your saying your pointing out.

I apologize for getting Nasty

So long as you END the nonsense of calling names NOW, you do not know me, you have no right and poly can go get bent for his comments

[edit on 28-11-2009 by Janky Red]

And... Yeah I do agree... Liberal doesn't mean being passive...

But Liberals are being Passive...

They let their movement get stolen by politicians with Global Agendas just like The Republicans did under Bush...

This entire thread has become a reflection of how people can be led into anything once they associate themselves with a label...

Frankly i'm not turned off to the term LIBERAL because in many ways i'm not Liberal... I'm more socially Liberal than Conservative in the end

I'm assaulting the TERM because it is no longer valid... it's been bought and sold to fund corporations and control schemes and Globalism

So please... Don't be passive

Liberals PLEASE take it BACK

And hey... no idea what you just wrote and canceled lol... but thank you

I'm not a mean person in actuality and those were nothing more than insults with little meaning...

I just think it's a real message here...

That some..not all certainly not all liberals are becoming exactly like what they started fighting against...

Laws to control speech even speech that is hate speech are wrong

There can be no morality if you can't speak and stand up for right and wrong...

For example...I have every right to say...

"I hate satanists"

I basically really do.... In theory these days I have no right to not hire a satanist, or to protest a satanic church...

So...

I'm supposed to just put up with Satan?

WE ALL KNOW, that some protection is needed for the right to live of of some minority groups or Gays...

But we can't get all Hitler about it

We can't tell Mormons they have to accept homosexuality in their community,they have a right to be Mormon agree or disagree...

We can't tell Jewish kids they have to eat pork in school...

You can't TELL anyone they HAVE to like or live around any behavior or culture they wish a degree of separation from...anymore than we can allow those same people to harm others...

It's not right and wrong.. it's belief

And we have every right to believe and KNOW even that some of those beliefs are utterly stupid...

But not to go full circle and then IMPOSE our beliefs on them..


It's a very hard thing sometimes to defend those who... you might not even agree with, to understand them and find merit in how they live and what they do...

But I said it earlier...

After 9-11

I listened to liberals explain exactly why we need to UNDERSTAND and RESPECT people who... make women wear veils, perform clitoral circumcision, stone adulterers and sometimes go so gar as to strap bombs to themselves and go for a drive...

So I don't think...

it is that hard to Understand... a Palin without DEMONIZING the Lady to a degree where she is some inhuman leader of some strange Christian Cult...

I enjoyed the thread. Thanks for posting it.
I am 62 and was born and raised liberal. After voting for Clinton I joined a conservative church and found myself the only Democrat there. I ended up voting for Bush because I just got worn out trying to defend Clinton, who imho only became President because he was a CIA asset. I didn't want to vote for the party that killed Kennedy but followed along and voted for Bush in 2000 because of abortion. But the whole thing was a sham. except that Clinton was CIA and that the Bushes were in on the JFK thing. The whole political system has been hijacked. Both parties are equally culpable because they are one organization,the global-agenda-depopulation party controls both Republican and Democrat organizations. There are still some good individuals in each, Sarah Palin is amazing, but she must have had to go along with the globalists to get as far as she did. Maybe they are saving her for insurance in case their plans to murder us all don't work out and they need a popular leader they can still control.I am very sad to say that I voted for Obama. I thought that somehow he would stand up for America.
But that is why the liberal's have lost their footing, because the system has been hijacked. Conservatives were deceived into supporting the "endless" war. They still are!!!!! They are still supporting it!!!!!! Liberals believe that some things are too big for individuals to accomplish,that the government should do them, like the wellfare program. I am now a conservative. I believe that while it would be nice if the government could help the poor, that government can't be trusted and will just use whatever it can to get more power to turn us into slaves. or kill us off. It would be nice if the legislature could be trusted to pass our laws, but they are also slaves to the globalists because they know that the globalists control the hackable voting machines .The globalists want to kill us off, or at least a lot of us because they don't trust us to govern ourselves. They have sold themselves on the idea that we are not mature enough to know what is good for us and therefore it is ok to kill us. I know your thread is more along the idea of how the culture of liberalism and conservativism are being corrupted, but the fact of the matter is that culture is secondary right now to our continued existance. Without law, without a constitution we are at the mercy of a lawless, illegal, possibly murderous government. We need to get our country back on track, back in working order and then we can worry about the philosophy of cultures.
I certainly would not have voted for Obama if I had been awake. I was totally asleep. Sleep-voting. I saw Bev Harris' Hacking Democracy on Nov 3. Then I was looking for the movie JFK because of JFK's death anniversary Nov 22, and everything opened up. I saw Fema camps and coffins and shackle trains and windowless evacuation busses on the internet. The globalists are really Nazis in disguise. Google Nazis in corporate America.Waco was a coverup to kill Clinton bodyguards who apparently had seen too many deals. Jonestown was not just a big concentration camp, it was several Nazi style, CIA run concentration camps and the inmates did not drink koolaid, but were murdered by CIA thug armies because it was time to close down. OKC bombing had four bombs, two were removed and everybody saw them removed, at least one person, Terrance Yeakey, was murdered for protesting too much, then 911 overshadowed everything. We are in bad trouble. Mourn for the lost liberalism later, if we survive and turn the tables on those b.....s.there will be plenty of time for the big govt/little govt debate, which is an important one.