"Liberals" the New Hate Group

reply to post by Polynomial C


Your babbling like a retard honestly and not even referencing exactly anything i said...

I'm not in anyone's life, I'm not promoting laws to change the way anyone speaks or thinks and lives...

Other communities are...

I'm a real person, I don't have to like or think anything i don't want to, I have every right to dislike any behavior I want and no one has the right to tell me or mine we have to cater to or like anyone we disagree with.

You can't even see the base Fascism in telling people they have to accept things they feel are fundamentally against their core beliefs?

No one anywhere would and\or will say you have to like the religious right or conservatives or Caucasians... you can say whatever you want act any way you want and DEMAND they be taught what you believe...

So how is that different? How is that fair or not oppression or cultural attack?

I don't even support most of the beliefs I am defending simply the right to be who you are.

Imagine, if I offered a class on the rights of Heterosexuals in a school, or White History or Christian Faith in HS in America,....

It wouldn't be allowed...

So your going to tell me these people don't have legitimate concerns?







[edit on 27-11-2009 by mopusvindictus]

reply to post by paranoiaFTW


You really need to pay attention to current events. The country is, as has been demonstrated in recent polls, becoming more conservative (though less Republican) - not more liberal. In 20 years the US will be as conservative, if not more so, than it is now.

reply to post by Polynomial C


Yeah genius I know China has Now a One Child Policy...

That's because for the last 100 years prior they Encouraged growth and children and have no choice now...

It doesn't change the fact that China is still a family and marriage oriented society you imbecile.

It also doesn't change the fact that they employ a doctrine called peoples war..

Part of which includes immigration and settling as a way of spreading Chinese culture and it works...

Siberia might as well be part of China now and many of the Islands even Australia will inevitably Chinese...

That's success...

A population that is dwindling and waxing away from the family unit will be a memory when China is Half the Globe... they are trouncing us, not just gently literally kicking the living piss out of us on a Global scale...

WHEN America is too weak and fragile and economically at it's lowest because we gave up the family unit, you can-guarantee their victory and the elimination of the One Child policy.

And as a people they are Conservative the govt means nothing, as a people they value Work, Family, TRADITION

China will EXIST when America is a Memory...

Or I should say, when America is part of China...

Sad to say but Nukes aren't everything, they own our dollar and when they push more and more Chinese in...and they will and already are in Canada Mexico and South America, when they make the push, our society will loose, we aren't having children, we are concerned about moronic issues...

Population will rule the day, you can't nuke the people that live in your country when they come.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by Polynomial C

 

Your babbling like a retard honestly and not even referencing exactly anything is aid...

Mopus, buddy ... come on now ...

You can't well start a thread on "hate" and say things like that.

reply to post by mopusvindictus



Go back and read your thread and tell me where all the hateful speech came from. Who did most of the name calling?

Who painted with the broad brush using only black and white?

I forgive you though. That's the way I think when I been drinkin. Do you think we didn't notice?







[edit on 27-11-2009 by whaaa]

reply to post by schrodingers dog


LOl it was in response to this...

"I just don't get why you need to be involve in their lives.. .. Each their own..who cares.. WHY DO YOU CARE ?!?!?!.. .. Leave us alone and live your life in little Delusion suburbia ... "

And no I shouldn't lower myself... so I agree

Who is Us? If he even read anything I wrote he would know i'm actually an ardent defender of peoples rights sexually, racially and politically and that what I am saying is that the label of Liberalism is being used to guide us down a slope that is neither Liberal nor Multicultural in the long run.

Those are of course debatable points...

But the poster isn't debating simply calling me names for three pages...

Who is the Us? Who am I attacking actually other than the notion that what I have called a "righteous philosophy" has been subverted into Nationalism in a different form?

So

Sure SD... I didn't need to say that, but this is my first respnse from the guy...

Wtf? .. After "I use him as an example, of why Liberals Hate everyone else" all i heard is Blah,Blah,Blah ..

Obviously NOT reading what I am saying, not contributing anything of substance so sure, I get dropped to the "retard" level after 3 pages of insults with absolutely no genuine response other than hysteria...

How about an address of what Liberal really means and if the current policies and actions of this Administration or even Political correctness in general are actually Liberal

I'm of the POV that ... My life is FAR less "Liberal" than it was growing up... I have far more restrictions on my life, freedom, everything from speech to movement to school systems there are infinitely more controls in place...

And I do NOT see this Administration or Anyone who labels them self Democratic or Liberal doing a blessed thing about it either.

If some are insulted by the Use of the term Liberal

Please address what exactly is Liberal about anything that is going on?

I just don't like seeing the other half of the nation Hoodwinked like G Bush hoodwinked Conservatives when really he was Neo Con and helping put in place just like Obama a socialist fascist system...

All i'm saying is...

There is nothing liberal about this system and what This Administration is actually doing,, Anymore than Bush is a Conservative...

I just don't feel like waiting 8 years until all the "real liberals" see through it anymore than I like waiting 8 years for all the "real conservatives" top realize Bush was some kind of Agenda driven controlled person by forces that had nothing to do with being a republican or a conservative.

reply to post by mopusvindictus


You began this thread well enough... but then you demonstrated through your subsequent posts the true weakness of your arguments.

The truth is that most people just want to be loved, and most of us aren't certain we either really have that, or will have that.

THAT isn't a liberal condition.

THAT isn't a conservative condition.

THAT is a human condition.

[edit on 27-11-2009 by loam]

reply to post by whaaa


Oh please point it out... PLEASE and i'll be glad to go line for line as to where I explained myself...

your just an attack dog, your Palin thread before was ludicrous, your selling her down the river over some Family affair where her sister wanted to be left alone from her thug cop boyfriend... it was rubbish bro.

I don't like Palins agenda all that much...

But I believe it's possible it's a genuine American Agenda as opposed to the completely bought and sold policies of Men like Bush and Obama who to me are one and the same person practically.

Globalist and Anti American catering to weird pseudo science put out by the UN and Multinational corporations.

If you can't SEE with your Eyes

That Obama is doing to Liberals EXACTLY what Bush did to conservatives, essentially pulling the wool over their eyes by using a LABEL... then your being foolish.

I waited a long time and left it alone too, but it's obvious at this point there is nothing "Liberal" about the current Government and it's another big power play...

So wake up and disassociate your whole being from moronic Labels and don't get so insulted, it's a word and they have a way of changing the meaning of words...

There is nothing "Liberal" about Modern Liberalism... it's Wolf in Sheeps Clothing

reply to post by loam


Well that's all warm and fuzzy and jest aside completely correct.

But really has little to do with what I am saying, it's like a Koan, thought provoking and wonderful but not really addressing anything other than a moment of meaningful insight.

(which bless you is needed in here from time to time)

How does this however change that the shoe is on the other foot...

It is valid to say Conservatives and Republicans act the way they do for those some needs as everyone else, even the evil things they have done... They want Love, security and want to make sure they have those things... sure...

So as I said, how does that change the position that the Shoe is now on the other foot? That those that call themselves Liberal have allowed themselves to go to the same kind of persecution of others, removal of the rights to free speech, imposition of social Law

Juts like those they once opposed have done?

Sure they just want to be loved...

But bottom line... Is Liberal actually "Liberal" anymore... I think it's plain to see it no longer is.

I believe when you fight an Enemy... Often you become the Enemy you were fighting

I think this is what has happened...

I'd go as far as to say when we defeated the Nazis and didn't heed the warning about the Military Industrial complex that we actually in many ways became just like the Nazis we were fighting in the first place over time.

I believe this is what has happened to Liberalism

So, sure... we all just want Love and Security

But does that justify becoming the enemy you fought in the first place?

I don't see how it could...







[edit on 27-11-2009 by mopusvindictus]

This thread is great. The op is brutally honest. What he/she says has already been said before, so it makes it easy to take sides. However, the way it is written is fragmented in such a way that it gives this heir of.....honesty.

Now it wasn't too long ago that many people, left leaning, complained about this site being "taken over by conservatives", and such such things. However, I look at the stars around here, in this thread, and the "liberals", if you will, IF YOU WILL, seem to have the upper hand.

This may be offtopic, but how is it that a liberal gov't in the USA, it's shortcomings apparent to the world, has, what seems to be, more suport than before it has proven itself wrong???? We are forced to think that since W proved himself wrong, the other "way" must be right.

This thread is about individualism. Not just the OP, but the evidence throughout the thread proves, imho, that people who are associated with something will stick with it, and defend it, EVEN IF, they're sitting on the fence.

This thread is ballsy. Straight up, in your face, this is what I think. The op is saying "this is what I've seen, so this is what I think". To me it is a breath of fresh air. An exercise in not being a "viewer".

I think every person in the world shout have a thread like this.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by Lilitu

 

And I would add...

Your calling what I am saying "Crap"

It was a metaphor for something half as spontaneous but just as fetid.

Originally posted by mopusvindictusThis is very typical of any Alpha Male Primates mannerisms, when they wish to be in control or mark territory they POOP or throw POOP and yes Al[pha Females emulate it...

Is that so?

[edit on 27-11-2009 by Lilitu]

Thank you for taking the time to write this thread. I'm still in my 20's so I'm still somewhat liberal but I have seen what you have described in many aged city dwelling liberals. I had not actually noticed it until I read this thread and thought about the people I know personally.

That said, I believe it has more to do with living in the city than it does with being liberal but most liberals I know do live in the city. Anyone can be healthy and live a good life but I believe it's harder to do this in the city and not only because of the liberal culture popular in these areas. Cities are less natural than all the other unnatural environments humans have created and living that far outside the natural environment would take the toll on any animal, humans included.

[edit on 27-11-2009 by 4ortunate1]

reply to post by mopusvindictus

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
..But really has little to do with what I am saying...

Yes it does.

Leaving aside all of the additional points you seem to be making throughout this thread, you began with the premise that being liberal later in life leads to being miserable. (Not sure why you didn't choose a better title matching your first post.)

I pointed out that all people tend to be miserable if they feel unloved.

That observation wasn't meant to be touchy-feely. It was meant to describe a truthful condition of our species.

I also think you artificially arrive at a conclusion that ties political ideology to happiness. I tend to distrust observations describing a particular ideological group, when there isn't really clear agreement on terms.

For example, what is a Republican or Democrat? A Conservative or Liberal? When I hear people self-identifying with one of those labels, I often think they really meet the definition of something else.

reply to post by heyo

but the evidence throughout the thread proves, imho, that people who are associated with something will stick with it, and defend it, EVEN IF, they're sitting on the fence.

Smartest thing said so far.

I can easily say, that Republicans and Conservatives were just as equally duped by Bush and the Neo Cons as are Liberals right now by Obama, I hold absolutely no tie to some label nor lack the ability to know when i've been screwed and when I was wrong.

We reelected the guy a second time under the guise of being a conservative..

Even though we all knew he was a coke fiend hard drinking jerk off who's only loyalty was to big Oil and Global business

So why is it so hard for Liberals to say...

Hey this guy is NOT a Democrat, he is NOT a peacemaker for real, he is NOT a Liberal personally that's for sure nor in any way... he's simply agenda driven and using the term to attract voters from fringe and minority groups and he really hs no care for those interests.

His obvious agenda isn't Multiculturalism it's uni culturalist. Integration isn't multiculturalism and acceptance it's elimination of diversity.

He's not a Democrat he's a Socialist.

He's Not "Liberal" by what the word has come to mean since the 60's...

He's something else entirely and it's hard to define, but it's Globalist, it's Socialist and it's definitely a huge turn away from anything we call American.

So thank you... and Brilliant

It's a Label, I don't adhere to labels so deeply that I get taken in when they are used to deceive me.

We are a year in, there is NOTHING LIBERAL going on in this nation.

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Ya know it's funny. I'm like that. However there's one problem with "us"....and yes I'm more conservative than liberal....You cannot argue for brutal honest in a world of fence-sitters. The act of pleading to understand, idealistically, my realist point of view, is in itself a contradiction.

so is that right? or has the definition of consrvative changed? Being 25, I can only speculate on it's actual measure, or it's variance, but what I do know is every liberal that I don't agree with, I feel a need recognize the commonality I share with them.

Say there are two things in life: to fight for things the way they are, and to fight for things that, righty, SHOULD, be. Both those things I personally identify with. They are one and the same.

They both describe my humanity. One belief is more predominant than the other, but labelling myself a conservative has never helped me to define myself in any way....What I am stuck with, I've learned, is the media's right to somehow change the definition of my belife system at will.

I would bet, gulp, that most feel this same type of frustration, from both "sides".

reply to post by 4ortunate1


Yeah

Your right allot of it has allot to do with Urban Factors...

I made a comment earlier, that I have seen wretched pinched face Liberal women on the Upper West side, replace christian Fundamentalists as that stereo type of control freak, tell every one else how to live psychopaths...

And I think I know why...

It's having your dreams and vision of the future swept out from under you.

Back in the 60's through the 80's it was... The Rural farm being decimated, all of our factories sent over seas a process that continues to this day...

The Middle American Family Oriented Conservative hardworking culture was utterly and devastatingly sold out...

So naturally what arose was this bitter persona and a desire to CONTROL others behaviors.

Today the same thing has happened to the Liberal Urban Dweller...

Gone is rent control, Gone is the local business due to rent hikes created by giant corps, the moronic War on Drugs has made thugs into Kings and ordinary people into losers in their children s eyes, it is relatively safer as crime goes but Cameras and ever present police are the reason not any form of social justice and compassion or Liberality

NYC in the 80's compared to today...

It's a horrible place to live by comparison Where hippies used to play Bongos we have soldiers and Barricades (yes 9-11 is to blame for that) but still... a small business in Brooklyn is 10,000 a month rent on the back end away from the city, there is no economic option besides work for some company...

Is it LIBERAL? No, it sucks now... The schools are a nightmare mostly, you can't have a beer in the Village without arrest or smoke in a bar...

And this is... the huge sellout from the promise of the 60's

So people are bitter and seek control, they are SCARED of the new wave of immigrants and often rightfully so, race relations, yeah in parts of Brooklyn and the Bronx you better not be White at Night...

So they hold to their ideals and elect an Obama... but the damage is long gone, NY wont truely be a Liberal place and major acceptance of Gays is not being Liberal...

When you add to it the Urban Factors like Heath

(and god knows something is really wrong because Asian and Caucasian kids in particular are coming up way shorter and less masculine on the male side) And people from my parents generation are simply dying waaaaaaaay to young...

It's a complete ruination of their vision of what life would be like ...

so they seek CONTROL

They look for it by siding like ... Stockholm Syndrome... they go deeper into self loathing and trying to understand and appease people and groups that blatantly hate their guts

reply to post by loam


I agree... Title I write before the Thread and Usually hate my title by the time i'm 3 pages in and have better defined and grasped what I am trying to say.

On that point I was coming off of a Palin Bash thread...

And what was in my mind at first was...

"What is the downside of a conservative life"

As a youth like I said I'd have hated a Palin, taking away my fun lol

So I was thinking largely in lifestyle, allot of what we call Liberal leads to no darn good, Urban life as an Adult especially the older you get stinks compared to Rural life if your not well off, you have to Fear people, you have all sorts of situations that could be dangerous from things as simple as crossing the street... you don't use the night life anymore and housing can be 5x higher and sometimes you end up with a bit of bad luck on Just SS, it limits the number of kids you can afford to have is less healthy you have to work more in your life to afford it and get to spend less... and your odds of being alone in old age jump dramatically from these things...

And i'm not sure what these guys even campaigned on.... Biden was running around talking about Unions and factories? WTH?

What factories? What unions?

An old person in NY can't even have true rent control anymore

So at 40, I honestly dislike greatly having an Inner City oriented president

For starters with the Internet the time is done anyway, the City is a cultural mecca these days but not a Job Mecca, not a Child bearing Mecca and Not particularly safe, affordable or comfortable... Unless your young or well off

So I think the Palins of America wanting to preserve things in the Rural area... I think they have a really Valid point...

You have to address life...

Like you said we all want the same thing to be Loved...

And i'm sorry for a Hetero Caucasian... Love is not something your likely to develop allot of anymore... Certainly not child bearing Love... religion will be squatted upon mostly and values and community where 20 yrs ago a place like NY was a great example of community that's been almost entirely eroded...

And while most people are pretty cool, yeah... Race is going to be an issue too, more than once my whiteness has been assaulted on the Subway, kind of hard to "find love" when your demographic and ethnicity is the major minority unless that's specifically what your looking for

So will being Liberal make you unhappy when your older... NO

But the life choices you make, your likely to find unappealing when your older, that's all.


Last time I was home... I saw an older woman Hit by a Bus On Nostrand Ave...

It went 6 blocks before it stopped and she died there with 2 missing limbs...

I heard a comment... from some teens and allot of teens are jerks no matter what Ethnicity

But one said to the other " another white woman down "

That woman might have been the biggest Liberal activist in the 60's she might have had a soul of Gold or maybe not...

The point is, in that environment, what was great and cultural when she was young, was not a community and safety when she was older...

The point being...

There is no reason to eliminate or alter or interfere with small towns in the south, or anywhere else, be they Black Baptist or White Hill Billy or Christian conservative...

There is something to be said for community, family and values... being among people like yourself who share your beliefs and values, particularly in the raising of children and in old age

And a Palin...

Wants that...

And it's not bad... it's a good thing, Family, Identity

Having a Place to go HOME to is nice and bar NONE every single person I know from NY has lost that forever...fled to Jersey, long commutes, unaffordable, selling the family home...

Every friend I have is out of reach from my youth without facebook, where once it was an incredibly tight community... No ONE will be going "HOME" for Xmas... Zero continuity of life and family.

So being Liberal is Great

Just know... that if you choose that path and stay with it... your going to loose Family, your going to loose your neighborhood...

Be it Race immigration, just greedy developers and shifty politicians... that life is kind of transient, it's not stable, you never own everything, you might not even be able to be buried when you die with your family...

Matter NOT when your 22

Matters allot when your 60

Palins Life... maybe the religion is all a bunch of Crock... but it offers Tradition, Maybe a place like Alaska isn't exciting or cultural but it offers Permanency and Family

And I don't see why under the guise of the Liberal agenda these places should come under the norms or regulations or manners of the Inner cities...

In any event... it's a healthier, longer lasting life... and in reality if it's Love and Acceptance we are looking for ... well, in the end a Nice town where people share your beliefs and values and your family all lives is the easiest way to get that.

Not for everyone maybe... but i'd say for most...

So what does Plain represent that is under such hell fire of an attack?

Perhaps the fear that the other end of the spectrum will raise it's ugly head?

Maybe, but not if we don't wreck their dreams and beliefs like in the past.

reply to post by heyo


For me, conservative means Lifestyle and behavior...

In theory some of the ways I do that would be considered "Liberal" I prefer a smoke to drinking as an example...

I don't ascribe to any one religion, but as i'm getting older I find I draw allot from Religion in what i see as successful

Like Meditation, Diet, Exercise, Cleaner living, less Sex partners more Relationship... Working at things I enjoy doing and living less fashionably to show off... Creation of a career on the net that allows me to be around family, keeping my kids away from too much Adult behavior whenever possible, keeping things safe... Opting for, walks in the woods over large meals downtown or nights of booze, more nature less people... fewer relationships with people but better quality ones... And while not religious, i substitute what the Bleep style Manifestation so in a word a form of prayer at least even if not ascribed to a deity per say.

And where my neighbors might go to church on Sunday and I might find my way to the top of the Mountain I still have a Cathedral a sense of awe, mystery, a state where I let things be bigger than myself.

So that's where I wax conservative... longer, healthier, less transient more spiritual life surrounded by loved ones...

And it works...

I have no agreement with my neighbors religious views... but the reality, they are hella nice people and ridiculously healthy by age by comparison.

And I just say...

What does a palin want for America that makes her so bad?

A little less abortion a few more moms, more communities and Family and maybe capping off the decadence and over indulgence a bit?

Let's face it...

This doesn't work, America has been straight down hill since the 60's 80% broken homes, massive crime, more laws than any nation in history more people in Jail than any nation in history, loads of elderly dying alone, dissatisfied people always look for another rush... Constant war, Constant bickering, Greed, Obesity, Chemical issues...

I don't need to make the list...

maybe China got it wrong imposing behavior by Force...

But obviously absolute freedom of the individual doesn't work very well, we worry about THINGS and SEX and CONSUMPTION, fracture our families...

As a whole I'd say if we had to rate America, lightly unhappy would describe us best this way.

On a Moral level somewhere we definitely have lost our way, we live badly most of us, we aren't mostly FAT for no reason, we aren't clamoring for health care because we aren't sick...

Schools stink the dropout rate in HS is 50%, Marriage fails at 80%

And I think 99% of us are on some kind of drug or another just to get by be it medicinal or recreational...

So is all this making us HAPPY NO, bottom line it's not...

you can post all you like, but it ain't going to change the fact Palin is a self righteous 2-bit media whore money grubbing quitter.

Originally posted by reasonable
you can post all you like, but it ain't going to change the fact Palin is a self righteous 2-bit media whore money grubbing quitter.

ya know it wouldn't be out of line to call you the same thing. Except you don't get money, no media wants you, and in spite of those things you don't quit.
It is such things that make you and palin, me and you, hell, all of us on ats, similar.
so now that we've discussed the worth of people we haven't met, can we finally get to the benefits of having the self-proclaimed ability to do such things?