Why won't God heal amputees?

Originally posted by stereovoyaged
I'm pretty sure this is three times in this thread alone I have made this point and three times its been ignored, could someone who disagrees please challenge it or something, i'd rather a suitable argument for it rather than ignoring the fact that i'm right

I guess third time is a charm. I'm a biochemist working at a healthcare company that believes in improving the quality of human life. There's nothing wrong with stem cell research, however there are indeed ethical issues from people of various faiths regarding embryonic stem cell research as it could very well lead to a kind of spare parts factory/embryo collection bank, but I digress. This is not what the discussion is on. It is on amputees. In that field, as a Christian and a scientist, I would love to see a breakthrough whereas the knowledge was bestowed upon us to unravel the mysteries of regenerative limb regrowth.

For the most part what people want in life is exactly what they are getting. The scales of true justice are just. Two separate scales. One for good deeds and one for bad deeds. You don't do a good deed so you can do a bad deed and get away with it. No one gets away with anything. But the backup of paybacks can be so great that it seems that way.

The world is the way it is because people want it that way. It's serving it's purpose and meeting their needs. An amputee has had to pay a terrible price for something in their past. The debt is to the Devil for acts that probably where inspired by the devil also. The original execution was very much to the liking of the amputee at the time (probably in a previous life).

Today a spirit is in the form of a maggot relishing a meal on some dung heap. That spirit lived and relished such filth in the previous birth and perhaps in a human form. Not their desire is fulfilled. Anyone of us could have such a future waiting for us. Be careful what you desire. That's especially true for the crotch lovers. Wallowing in some wonderful indulgence may not be the paradise a person thinks it is.

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If people would only learn to leave each other alone and let them believe as they will so long as they harm no one else the "endless" debate would end. I do agree with you that there will never be sufficient proof to end it as humanity has an inexhaustable ability to bend any information to fit his or her preconceptions.

Originally posted by oliveoil
Right on,
Ive had some pretty bad luck myself. And like I said before,The natural flow of life is through God. Good luck and bad luck.

None of it is luck however. I guess I could go on about my experiences with depression, suicide, job loss, almost losing my house, my child, relatives in drugs and alcoholism, but I don't think this would turn the hearts of the Doubting Thomas' here. It was God who pulled me through my own personal hell on earth...though some people may insist that their life is harder no matter what.

Originally posted by stereovoyaged
Ok, so this is 5 posts now with this challenge, guess i'll have to start a thread asking this question to see if I can get a response, gotta admit ATS you dissapoint me with this one

Please be patient. This thread started last night and I was at work today. I'm trying to catch up.

Originally posted by templar knight
What I want to know - will God grow hair back on my bald patch? I suppose I should stop being a fundamentalist agnostic before he does this.

Why are you asking us? Ask God. He'll answer one way or the other. I was an aggressive agnostic before I received my proof.

Originally posted by tinfoilman
Well I don't know. There was this one time God sent this cat named Jesus down that could heal people and even gave authority to a few of his friends to heal people too.

Didn't work very well. He raised a dead guy and healed a blind guy and the next thing you know everyone was pissed off and they crucified him. Also, they persecuted his friends too.

Apparently we don't like it when God comes down and tries to heal us either physically or spiritually. However, when the amputee gets to Heaven in just a short time I'm sure God will repair them.

I think the real question is why won't we let God heal amputees? Last time he tried, it didn't go over so well for him.

I never thought of it that way before. A very interesting perspective that was brought to the table. Thank you.

An episode of Futurama touches just this particular illogical argument superbly.

Plot
During a noisy space pirate attack, Bender—trying to find some peace and quiet in a torpedo tube—is launched into interstellar space beyond the reach of Fry and Leela. After an asteroid crashes into Bender, a civilization of tiny humanoids ("Shrimpkins") grows on him and worships him as a god. At first, Bender enjoys his new-found status, picking a prophet named Malakai and having Malakai bring "The One Commandment" ("God Needs Booze") from "Up High" (Bender's head) to the Shrimpkins, who brew what for them are vast quantities of "Lordweiser" beer. The Shrimpkins begin praying for rain, sun, and wealth, and Bender attempts to heed their prayers—failing and unintentionally harming the Shrimpkins in the process. Eventually, Malakai tells him that the Shrimpkins who migrated to his backside felt their prayers were unheeded and became atheists. The atheists threaten war with Bender's worshippers. Bender, aware that attempts to help the Shrimpkins so far only harmed them, refuses to intervene. The micro-civilization is destroyed when the Shrimpkin factions launch atomic weapons out of Bender's nuclear pile. Malakai remains faithful to Bender during the war and it saddens Bender when Malakai and his family are killed by a nuclear weapon.

Bender soon meets a cosmic entity who is alluded to be God and recounts his experiences. "God" notes that the best way to deal with worshippers is to use a light touch so they will neither lose hope nor become dependent on supernatural intervention, saying, "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

Meanwhile, Fry and Leela search for a way to locate Bender, which leads them to a sect of monks who use a radio telescope to search for God in space. Leela overpowers and locks up the pacifist monks and Fry spends the next three days searching for Bender. Fry finds "God" by accident, and "God" flings Bender back to Earth just as Fry and Leela are leaving the monastery, causing Leela to exclaim that "This is, by a wide margin, the least likely thing that has ever happened." Bender quickly recounts his tale ("First I was God, then I met God!") and Fry boasts they "climbed up a mountain and locked up some monks," which reminds Leela that they never let them out. Fry is reluctant to return to the monastery and claims that God will surely help them. Bender tells them that God cannot be counted on for anything, and demands they rescue the monks themselves. The camera zooms out from Earth, past planets, through space, and back to God, who chuckles and repeats his advice: "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

Wikipedia Entry: Futurama Godfellas

God: Bender, being God isn't easy. If you do too much, people get dependent on you, and if you do nothing, they lose hope. You have to use a light touch. Like a safecracker, or a pickpocket.
Bender: Or a guy who burns down a bar for the insurance money!
God: Yes, if you make it look like an electrical thing. When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

And I got a kick out of when "God" didn't remember where Earth was when Bender asks him/it to send him back there.

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Originally posted by moocowman
I'm trying with no avail to locate this evidence of the jesusyahweh god regenerating amputated limbs, that you allude to .

Be kind enough to direct me please

I think by count there's 3 incidences listed on the thread. One was mentioned twice by oliveoil.

Originally posted by zerbot565
zZzZzZzZzZzZzzzzzzzzzz, boring , next....

Apologies that my presence was thought to be for the purposes of entertainment. Pardon if there were any misguided expectations.

Originally posted by zerbot565
how many christians do you know that stone disobidient children or homosexuals ?

probobly non, that make 100% of the christians you know dont live by a law made to you by the christian god.

Keep reading, there's more than three books to the Bible. To know the Christian God, you'd have to know Christ and recall what he said about "you who is without sin cast the first stone..."

Originally posted by zerbot565
how many christians do you know that does not engage in festivities for 100days from xmass to easter ? probobly non

Easter isn't a Christian holiday/holyday, so that makes me as "1" and my household as "5". I'm unclear where you're getting the 100 days number.

Originally posted by zerbot565
i could go on making these contradictions christians live by in ignorant bliss

I'm listening.

Originally posted by zerbot565
and by judging your name i asume you to have missed the point of the "do not worship false icons" remark....

Why would you judge? Why would you assume? It sounds like neither is a correct assertion then, because I do not worship false idols.

Originally posted by zerbot565
but its ok, most christians are realy lost and im not judging them

In the last sentence you were judging me by my username choice. Why the sudden change?

Originally posted by zerbot565
for what they do or belive , i just belive its very hypocritical to say one thing and wave a book in someones face when not have read it or understood the context withinn nor its origins.

I've both read it a number of times as well as study the context. Why would you presume otherwise?

Originally posted by zerbot565
just because you belive in a god does not make you a christian it just makes you a theist

This is true, and is also the reason why I was careful with my words in calling myself a Christian.

Originally posted by zerbot565
and if you live by the christian god then when was the last time you stoned disobidient children ?

See answer above.

[edit on 25-11-2009 by saint4God]

To op: The whole hypothesis is that if God exists, he would do such and such. And If he doesn't do what I tell him too he doesn't exist.

You've got your own circular logic, and with your own definitions. And when somebody disagrees with your logic or your definitions. You go back to the its a "yes or no" response. Ie either you accept my definitions, or I won't play.

How this thread lasted this along, is beyond belief.

I mean, if you truly wanted to attack "Christianity" you would go from the hypothesis that the Jewish God was stolen from the Canaanites god "El". And that all other "doctrines" of Christianity have their bases in mystery religions, Hellenistic religions, Sumerian legend, Zoroastrian legend, Egyptian beliefs, etc. All which do have some validity and basis in fact.

You probably have some personal experience in the past against the goddess herself. And the only way you will believe would be if you are the marionette and she was your puppet.

Tell me of the tao? (If you understand this question, then you will have your answer.)

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You mean the documented case where a boy loses his leg, prays to God, and his leg is restored.

here it is again.

en.wikipedia.org...



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Originally posted by oliveoil
You mean the documented case where a boy loses his leg, prays to God, and his leg is restored.

here it is again. Moooooo

en.wikipedia.org...

Thank you. Yes, that's the one to which I was referring.

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"Miraculous healing took place in the first century along with other gifts of the spirit, but ended with the death of the apostles."

So what about all the supposed miracles that still take place?
Are they hoaxes? Simple wishful thinking when someone lucks out of say cancer or something?

I personally think that's the case, but many will argue that they still happen until they turn purple and pass out.

And to further the point... why did miracles end with the apostles and where in the bible does it say that? (Yes, I've read the entire thing more than once. Which is why I don't believe it anymore.)

Originally posted by AdmiralObamaGFOL
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The overriding prayer of ALL Believers is THY WILL BE DONE. We are willing slaves, bought and paid for by the blood of our LORD and Master, Jesus Christ.

You tell responders to read the article, I suggest that you read the book of Job.

My brother was a drunken, godless atheist until he was broken and humbled after an accident that left him a paraplegic. He also prayed for healing that never came. He was also called to the alter of a "church" and told in front of a congregation by the preacher that he wasn't healed because he lacked faith! God instead told him that HIS grace was sufficient.

Now God uses my brother to inspire and lead others to Jesus through the joy and peace that he exhibits every day in his life. Can you begin to imagine having joy and peace through God after that? Yet, the single source of that joy and peace is JESUS CHRIST his LORD- the peace that passes all understanding comes from God alone. Lost people see it and are drawn to it. His tragedy here in this world has become a way to glorify the living God and accomplish His eternal purposes.

Our life here is but a vapor of the eternal lives that we will lead forever. A good parent knows what is best for his children. An eternal God certainly knows, and gives what is best for His children. Thank God that he has NOT answered all of my prayers!

I have reviewed your profile and now I have some words that i hope you will consider-

Repent of your sins for God's wrath is upon you. There is no peace for the wicked; neither here on earth, nor in eternity to come. You see this torment even now in your life and I am telling you the source- Repent and come to the cross. You will face a Holy God on the day of judgement for your refusal to accept God's free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.

You are living your short time here on earth in utter darkness because the adversary of your soul has deceived you. You have an enemy whom you also do not know. He hates you and wants you to die in torment because you are made in the image of your Creator, whom he also hates. Eternal hell and torment will be your destiny unless you repent of your sins and come to the cross of Jesus.

You will likely ignore these words for now; but they will absolutely be on your mind as you take your last breath... and wonder in terror about what happens next.

Read these words and stop wondering- save your soul now friend, it hangs in the balance.

So if he had been healed it would have been a miracle. But since he wasn't it was just God's will. That's a nice little fail safe.

Originally posted by Angus123
So what about all the supposed miracles that still take place?
Are they hoaxes? Simple wishful thinking when someone lucks out of say cancer or something?

I've experienced a handful of miracles myself, beyond the regular daily ones. They're neither hoaxes nor wishful thinking, as mathmatically the probability is infinitesimally small.

Originally posted by Angus123
I personally think that's the case, but many will argue that they still happen until they turn purple and pass out.

I don't like to argue, so thank goodness I won't be turning purple and passing out.

Originally posted by Angus123
And to further the point... why did miracles end with the apostles and where in the bible does it say that? (Yes, I've read the entire thing more than once. Which is why I don't believe it anymore.)

I'd like to know where the Bible says that as well.

Originally posted by Angus123
So if he had been healed it would have been a miracle. But since he wasn't it was just God's will. That's a nice little fail safe.

"This, then, is how you should pray:
" 'Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one." - Matthew 6:9-13

If you were to want a raise from your boss at work, do you say, "You will give me a raise!" or do you say, "What can I do to earn a raise?"

"Main Entry: hum·ble
1 : not proud or haughty : not arrogant or assertive
2 : reflecting, expressing, or offered in a spirit of deference or submission" - www.merriam-webster.com...

"Main Entry: re·quest
1 : the act or an instance of asking for something" - www.merriam-webster.com...

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Such is the faith ...
God does not do anything that is found impossible to do
and so be it ...

Originally posted by xsheep
Such is the faith ...
God does not do anything that is found impossible to do
and so be it ...

"Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." - Matthew 19:26

I must admit, the discussion does get easier when the points have already been addressed.

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To REPLY, God's Kingdom is not of "this world". Accord to the Bible, "this world" is managed by Satan until the end. For reasons, we cannot comprehend, God is glorified by what occurs on this Earth and what will occur in the end, accord to the Bible. Also accord to same, God is Spirit, not "Flesh", understand? THE PURPOSE OF JESUS' miracles and the prophets before him were for ONE reason and one reason alone....that is to AFFIRM and ATEST to their authority in speaking God's word. THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE MIRACLES. Get it?
Arguably there have been no "miracles" since then because the purpose of miracles is to affirm/atest to the person doign the miracle.
It would be far more interesting to debate this if some of you would read the Bible so you could argue from knowledge and not dislike of Christians, which is understandable, BUT irrelevant. God is beyond us...live with it.