Let's declare WAR! Economic War on China

You have to clearly agree that we, the Western/European economies depend on the cheap laber that both India and China supply. If everyone changed tomorrow to buy American, if possible, there would little change because there is no choice. Everything is made in China or have already went out of business because they can't compete. The biggest blow to China already happened. The recession stopped everything from being purchased. Dozens of factories shutdown in China and are still empty. China relies on our greed to keep building their power base. They already own us based on the US debt they hold and now they want to be the sole goods supplier to put us in a stranglehold that we couldn't get out of. My advice is to spend the extra $10 on American made products. The job you save may be your own.

By the way, if they ever demand repayment, they will get Alaska or Hawaii with money to spare!

Originally posted by ZeroGhost
Everyone is way too late.

They declared war on us many years ago.

My company is trying to manufacture a new product for smartphones. We get outrageously great estimates from China and Taiwan, but what we found out was chilling. We will not manufacture there. It's a massive market, but by the time it hit the shelves knock-offs would already saturate the country and surrounding markets. If we ordered manufacturing, they would hold our delivery a few days, take our designs and have them on the street weeks before we even hear about it.

A good friend of mine was the technology expert for the legal department of a major US technology corporation, dealing with trade issues with China. Part of his article is quoted here. (With anonymous permission)

If you need plastics for a phone, try Dapol of Wales.

Another way to avoid Chinese Commie junk...

Buy Taiwan products. You can be sure that there's no Chinese component in them.

Taiwan, incidentally, is a great source of stuff for things like bicycles.

Originally posted by eagledriver
You have to clearly agree that we, the Western/European economies depend on the cheap laber that both India and China supply.

No! CHINA IS NOT INDIA.

In India, however, cheap, they actually PAY workers wages which ultimately filters through the economy, raising their standard of living and ultimately will bring them on par with us and with their same greed fro consumer junk.

In China, they use SLAVE CAMP, no wages, just a hunk of rotting bread a day which cannot be competed with and will NOT filter through the economy to improve their lot, only bring our standard of living down to the level of slavery too.

Incidentally, Quebec is already in a sopontaneous state of revolt against China. People are trying to avoid Chinese goods on a massive scale.

In the local mall, there was a shop selling cookware. Everything was Chinese and the store had a huge markup on the low cost goods. They went bankrupt. ANother person bought the store, dumped all the Chinese garbagwe and only sells German and French stuff there now which give them a tiny markup on the goods that are several TIMES the price of the old Chinese stuff. This one store cleared $500,000 in its first six months and they have one person employed around the clock just to unload the lorry the stuff is selling so fast.

As far a sthe average Quebecois is concerned the word CHINESE goes with the words TOXIC WASTE.

Originally posted by RoyalCanadian
americans are never happy unless theyre in a war. if the war in iraq ever ends theyll just make up some lame excuse to invade another country.

YES WE HAVE A (FEW) WINNER(S)

- Iran since those bullies have maybe weapons of mass destruction... rofl
- N-Korea since those bullies have maybe weapons of mass destruction... rofl

But of course Israel is the actual bully.

Just off the press, the US has just slapped a sizable tariff on Chinese made oil pipeline. See www.abovetopsecret.com...

My guess is this is part a new trade war strategy against China to get them to float the yuan.

Originally posted by daddyroo45
First and foremost we need to put the federal government on a starvation diet. Stop congress from spending money on foolishness. Buy American goods at every chance,and limit the purchase of foreign goods to the bare necessities.
WE are not the problem. An out of control spending juggernaut we call government is.

If we purchase American goods exclusively there will be more jobs created,simple as that.

But the sad fact is that America doesn't make all that much anymore.
Certainly not enough to support ourselves the way we once did.
And that springs in the beautiful deregulation that has allowed Wall St. and major corporations to outsource everything to 3rd world countries to make a better bottom line
for the top 1%.

The whole thread is wrong and foolish and serves the interests of the powers that be.

Chinese people vs American people? NO WAY. CHINA USA HANG DAI!

Call them aristocrats...call them oligarchs...whatever you prefer really...but make no mistake, they pit us all against each other because the way they see it, it's the elite vs everybody else. Anything more is of secondary importance to them.

Originally posted by eagledriver
You have to clearly agree that we, the Western/European economies depend on the cheap laber that both India and China supply.
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They already own us based on the US debt they hold and now they want to be the sole goods supplier to put us in a stranglehold that we couldn't get out of.
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By the way, if they ever demand repayment, they will get Alaska or Hawaii with money to spare!

No, you do not have to agree that we depend on India and China's cheap labor. You must have no idea what a great deal this country used to be.

Even if you assume the American people, and not just the richest ~10%, need and dramatically benefit cheap foreign labor, we do not need India and China specifically. The world is full of wretchedly poor, desperate people. It doesn't have to be India and China.

Who really has who over a barrel? The global mass media wants everyone to think that the Chinese are getting a great deal, especially the Chinese people.

It's China that is screwed. They can't let their own currency appreciate without devaluing their massive dollar holdings. China needs to do everything it can to push employment just to maintain stability.

And no, the Chinese will not be getting Alaska. You'd have to be one of history's true retards to make a mistake like that. Seriously, among many other objections, the Chinese are far far behind AMERICANS in terms of US debt ownership, they are just the largest FOREIGN creditor. Hey we should sell Alaska to our selves then right?

See: www.abovetopsecret.com...

China banks increased lending requirements today causing Chinese markets to plunge. This along with the Dubai Debt Crisis!

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by HotSauce

 

US companies can't expect to make the very best products in the world anymore when our government stifles innovation with taxes and other crap. Plus look at our educational system in this country. You think 15-20 years from now the kids in US high schools are going to be leading the world in technology and innovation when they can barely do math and science in elementary school? Yeah right! Go look at MIT and see what type of kids are in the majority there.............MINORITIES i.e. Asians and Indians.

Yea but look what they're citizenship papers says: American. Wake up: There are Chinese Americans, and Americans with backgrounds from India. Hell talking like that you would say I'm not American, I'm Italian, so I don't coun't? ARE The ONLY "true" Americans, are living on reservations?

This is what makes America great, and it can work, it HAS WORKED,but it won't with our own government screwing us, from left right and center; to power and wealth for the few, the "elite".

If anything, our educational system is one of the only things that has progressed in the last 20 years.

My daughter is in accelerated classes, like I was; but she's learning stuff in 4th grade that I didn't learn till 6th or 7th. Our educational system isn't the problem.

Sure some countries have better, but I'd rather not send my kid to school on Saturdays. There's not enough family time as is in the US,what with both parents haveing to work full time jobs.

As far as the OP. There's no need to go and raise hell in China and India, when all they did was take what we gave them. Now we want to punish them for that.

Our government is screwing us plain and simple.

If there's a terrorist attack within the next 6 years on scale or larger than 9/11, supposedly carried out by China, or India, or hell any Far eastern country for that matter..., Don't buy that crap like we bought 9/11.



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reply to post by Angus123

and major corporations to outsource everything to 3rd world countries to make a better bottom line for the top 1%.

I hope everyone that visits this post reads the excellent response from you.

That is exactly what is happening. There is a handful of the haves and have mores (quote from GWB) that are exploiting the rest of the world.

As long as we stay asleep and keep allowing this, the "middle" class will keep declining and if we don't do something there will be two classes, like a thousand years ago. Rich / poor.

Originally posted by Angus123

Originally posted by daddyroo45
First and foremost we need to put the federal government on a starvation diet. Stop congress from spending money on foolishness. Buy American goods at every chance,and limit the purchase of foreign goods to the bare necessities.
WE are not the problem. An out of control spending juggernaut we call government is.

If we purchase American goods exclusively there will be more jobs created,simple as that.

But the sad fact is that America doesn't make all that much anymore.
Certainly not enough to support ourselves the way we once did.
And that springs in the beautiful deregulation that has allowed Wall St. and major corporations to outsource everything to 3rd world countries to make a better bottom line
for the top 1%.

Your point is taken.However what better time to create business? Provide new jobs for Americans,manufacturing products for American people. There are many people out of work that would take lower paying jobs if they were offered.This is a good time to open mom and pop niche shops for clothing and such.

U.S. Swings Back at China in Copenhagen

President Obama's top climate change negotiator arrived in Copenhagen Wednesday swinging back at Chinese demands for the United States to increase its emission reduction goals. "With respect to our emissions, it's true our emissions have gone up since 1990," Todd Stern acknowledged. But he added, "the country whose emissions are going up, dramatically, really dramatically is China." China is the world's largest greenhouse gas emitter, overtaking the United States in recent years

Oh, I see how this works! The US gives developing nations $10 B a year and China will think about committing!

Chinese officials have said they will spring to action if the United States contributes significantly to a proposed $10 billion a year fund to help vulnerable countries adapt to climate change policies. China -- despite its growing economy -- is technically considered a developing nation.

This is how Obama carries on a war with China. Too bad Obama is such a paper tiger!