Disturbing Video from Pittsburgh

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by spliff4020

 

Then arrest the the ones that causing trouble. As shown in the videos, the cops were already there, disguised as protesters. Hmmm... the cops would never try to stir up a little crap on their own, would they? naaa... All cops are honest and would never, ever do that.

Now, not saying they did or they didnt, but while I cant prove, you can't disprove it either.

So your saying that every single protester that was starting trouble was a cop in disguise? What the hell? Did we have a cop on cop fight or something and those poor innocent kids were just lured into the fray?

Complete BS! Look it up, Anarchists were planning disorder well before the event. They posted online what businesses they were going to target. The "innocent" protesters were just following the way wrong crowd. They should have known better.

If you can't prove that cops were the ones starting trouble, it didn't happen. Sorry I don't buy the "agent provocateur" excuse at all. If you replace cops with Anarchists in your description it would be much more realistic, cause that is what happened, not a bunch of cops riling up a crowd so they can open a can of whoop ass on them.

Perhaps the next time, the police should have snipers on the rooftops to pick off the ones being unruly before they agitate the crowd. Would that be better?

[edit on 11/17/2009 by whatukno]

If you're going to quote me, at least read what I wrote. Namely "Now, not saying they did or they didnt, but while I cant prove, you can't disprove it either."

Did you not watch the vids? did you not see the cops in disguise...ya, they would NEVER do that. No such thing as crooked cops, right?

reply to post by spliff4020

If you're going to quote me, at least read what I wrote. Namely "Now, not saying they did or they didnt, but while I cant prove, you can't disprove it either."

Did you not watch the vids? did you not see the cops in disguise...ya, they would NEVER do that. No such thing as crooked cops, right?

First, quote what you need, not the whole thing.

Second, you can't prove a negative, and speculation is not fact.

Third the video has been shown as flawed several times in this thread.

What follows is a list of the locations targeted by the online map mentioned above. (In some cases, multiple locations of the same business were mentioned).

* Starbucks
* Bloomfield-Garfield Corporation
* Trader Joe's
* National Robotics Engineering Center
* Carnegie-Mellon University: Robotics Institute
* United States Government Department of Army: Recruiting
* U.S. Marine Corps Recruiting
* U.S. Air Force Recruiting
* Pittsburgh Police Station
* Gap
* Victoria's Secret
* Dollar Smart Check Cashing
* United Check Cashing
* Money Mart
* Ace Cash Express
* Advance America Cash Advance
* Mellon Institute of Industrial Research
* Rand Corporation
* Oakland Planning and Development Corporation
* Pet Land Village of Eastside
* Giant Eagle
* Whole Foods Market
* Walnut Capital Management
* Cheerleaders
* Cricket Lounge
* Blush
* PNC Bank
* The Skin Center Medical Spa
* Software Engineering Institute
* Fur Galleria
* McDonald's
* Colcom Foundation
* Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
* Rivers Casino
* X Shadyside
* American Apparel
* American Eagle Outfitters Inc
* Lawrenceville United Inc
* East Liberty Development, Inc.
* Biomedical Science Towers

www.thepittsburghchannel.com...

This was a list obtained by the reporter in this article of the businesses that these peaceful protesters planned on targeting. It was never the intention of the anarchists at the protest to do anything other than cause a riot. They tried to and they influenced people who would have normally protested peacefully to follow them. There was a protest scheduled and during that sanctioned and permitted protest there was no police brutality at the approved protest site.

Before you give me that hogwash about your constitutional rights, let me remind you while the federal government can't make any law against a peaceful protest, state and local authorities are well within their right to do so. Federal agents weren't the ones cracking down on these thugs, it was police from the state.

Don't beg a cop to beat your ass and then whine when he gives you what you ask for.


So using a dumpster as a battering ram is considered peaceful now?



[edit on 11/18/2009 by whatukno]

This is absolutely unbelievable. I can't believe this actually happened. I live right outside of Pittsburgh and this is an outrage. Its a sad day when our own National Guard and Police look like the Gustapo and Nazis.

This infuriates me to no end...wow Im really mad right now.

i think we need to change our nations quote of "land of the free" since it is no longer valid if we cant even use our constitutional right to peaceful assembly and freedom of speech. when will america wake up out of its american idol and consumer bs wet dream and realize our country and rights have been stolen and rebel?

reply to post by spliff4020


It is time for the militias to form up and arrest these so called police officers for treason.
They should then be given a public trial, followed by their public execution by firing squad or by hanging.
On you'r feet or on you'r knees Pittsburgh.
When these young patriots appear in court the people should arrest the judge if that judge is willing to hear any case against these citizens.
I took an oath to defend the Constitution against
All enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.
Semper Fi.

reply to post by chrisd250

i think we need to change our nations quote of "land of the free" since it is no longer valid if we cant even use our constitutional right to peaceful assembly and freedom of speech. when will america wake up out of its american idol and consumer bs wet dream and realize our country and rights have been stolen and rebel?

Ok let's look at your supposed right to peacibly assemble for a moment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Ok, looks simple enough right? But let's think of it this way...

Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

So congress being prohibited from making any law against peaceable assembly automatically makes it the power of the states to decide. PA decided that while people have the right to peacefully protest, it restricted this right to make sure that safety was also not infringed.

They decided that yes there could be a protest, gave out a permit for that protest, and in that permit made clear where the protest was to be held and when it was to be held.

The anarchists on the other hand to stupid to understand the 10th amendment thought that freedom of peaceable assembly means setting fire to dumpsters, breaking windows, confronting police officers away from the protest route and in general causing a havoc. The second these anarchists protested outside of the states designated protest place and time they negated their first amendment right. They no longer were peaceful assemblers but rioters that needed to be controlled.

Sorry, but the kids were in the wrong because they protested in the wrong way. States have rights and they have the right to protect property from vandals and to stop a riot.

The anarchists at the G-20 had no intention of ever being peaceful, they wanted a confrontation with the police. The police knew that there was a confrontation coming so they requested back up. The anarchists on true to their word started protesting well off the protest route and started lighting dumpsters on fire, started smashing windows and so the police had no choice but to use less than lethal force to disperse the crowd.

If this had actually been a police state, the police would have used live rounds and just gunned down the protesters (Which in my opinion should have happened, anarchists are nothing more than idiots and should be culled from the herd). Instead they used less than lethal force.

reply to post by Luminaught


By supporting the enemies of the constitution (these idiot anarchists) you have violated that sacred oath you took.

Think about it..

Why is it that the KKK and Neo Nazis can protest and the police back them up? Why is it that TEA party protesters can protest and there is no mention of police brutality? Why? Because they do so in accordance with their constitutionally protected rights and the way the state tells them they can.

Why is it that the Westborough Baptist Church can protest and nothing is done about it? That's right they do their protests in a legal way.

Burning a dumpster and sending it down a hill towards the police is guess what? Assault and Battery on a LEO. These protesters were warned many times before the police acted. Though you probably won't bother checking that out.

Do you understand what the ultimate goal of Anarchy is? The complete and total destruction of the government including the constitution because that paper is the government. Therefore, they are domestic enemies of the constitution.

reply to post by whatukno


I based my reply on what I saw in the video.
No burned dumpsters.
No broken windows.
What I saw was a small group highly vocal protesters.
I saw a response by jack booted thugs who refused to allow persons on a public square to leave.
I heard complaints of tear gas being used on already subdued protesters as they laid on the ground.
I have in no way dishonored my oath, and I resent you'r accusation that I had.
I have seen people moved to "free speech zones" far from those who needed to be aware of the concerns of the people.
"Free speech zones?"
This entire country is intended as a free speech zone.
I saw no anarchists, how do you justify that accusation?
This country has been darkened by a sense of fear by psy-ops just like this.
I for one am not afraid to speak out, and I know where my personal trigger point is.
I have served this country in time of war and in time of peace, and I will always stand with the people, especially those who are acting within the rights as written in the amendments to the constitution.
Have you not noticed the militarization of police departments?
Why do you think that would be needed?
If the people decide to throw off the bindings placed upon them by those who would deny freedom, perhaps those political criminals need a military force instead of a police force.
I have not dishonored nor renounced my oath, taken as a Marine Recruit.
And when I say Semper Fi I mean it.
BTW
My father and my eldest son rest in Arlington National Cemetery, they didn't dishonor their oaths either.
I respect you'r right to disagree with my statements, and I shall reflect upon what you have written not only to myself, but to others as well.
If I have made a mistake prompted by limited information I am gladly disabused of incorrect beliefs.
Know that you will find no personal enemy in me, perhaps you have found a friend.
Thank you for you'r input.
The hour grows late, the morning young, and the responsibilities to which I attend demand that I prepare to meet the day .
I find myself lost sometimes in trying to find conversations I was engaged in here, so if I do not reply to you'r answer to my queries within a day or so you might want to PM me by U2U.
I wish you well.
Sincerely
Luminaught
PS
I love you'r avatar!


[edit on 18-11-2009 by Luminaught]

reply to post by whatukno


The video you posted with the dumpster being used as a battering ram is by far the funniest and dumbest thing I have ever seen. These people are really playing with their lives like that. Next thing you know they'll be hijacking planes to use as a battering ram.

Originally posted by December_Rain
I think it's fine if the Police want to be pre-prepared before any untoward happening. Don't see any wrong in it truthfully.

I feel the same way. There was a guy who posted before you saing 'now is the time, lock and load!'. That is exactly why the police are out in such force.

The Police and National Guard have prevented false flag and every other kind of attack thus far. They have broken up people before people escalated events, before people could 'lock and load' GOOD JOB!!!!!!!

All it is going to take is one crazy event from a 'protestor', and protestors and POTENTIAL protestors alike will all be on lockdown.

reply to post by Luminaught

I have in no way dishonored my oath, and I resent you'r accusation that I had.

To support anarchy is to turn your back on the constitution which you apparently swore to protect and defend. Anarchy's goal is the destruction of the government, in this case that would be the destruction of the constitution.

I have seen people moved to "free speech zones" far from those who needed to be aware of the concerns of the people.
"Free speech zones?"
This entire country is intended as a free speech zone.

Again, states rights must be upheld. While Congress cannot make a law against free speech, states sure can. See Amendment 10 for details.

I saw no anarchists, how do you justify that accusation?

anarchistnews.org

Imagine, if you will, gentle reader, the animist version of this story in which dumpsters, long accused of complicity in anarchist “lifestylism,” step out of their social role to join the social war. Free food, even when distributed via programs like Food Not Bombs, is not enough—we want freedom itself, and the dumpster does too, and it gains momentum down the hill as it rolls, alone and magnificent, directly into a pair of oblivious policemen.

As Liberty Avenue makes its way southeast through Bloomfield, it passes through a shopping district full of small restaurants, bars, and banks. The march was remarkably timid in this environment, considering that there were no police around whatsoever. Perhaps it really is true that property destruction largely occurs as a reaction to police violence; it may even be that self-professed insurrectionists find it psychologically easier to smash things in the comparative danger of a police confrontation than in the absence of any authorities. In any event, there was practically no property destruction until finally a bank on one side of the street was attacked.

Shortly after 10 p.m., a Bash Back!-themed black bloc a hundred or more strong appeared on Forbes Street between Atwood Street and Oakland Avenue. The march was pushing half a dozen or more dumpsters, which were upended in the intersections while seemingly all the corporate businesses on the block lost their windows. Another dumpster was rolled further down the street and set alight before being upended as the bloc fled north.

anarchistnews.org
www.thedailyshow.com...

I love you'r avatar!

thank you

[edit on 11/18/2009 by whatukno]

Man, I don't care what anyone thinks. That video is cool!
Heaps of cool-as-hell menacing foot soldiers, all geared up and ready. Lookin' like some cool-as army out of a George Lucas film, hiding in the shadows ready to take out some hippies.
Noone wanted to have a go at it either, who's gonna argue with ya? Not dozens but hundreds of foot soldiers.

Good old Bilderberg Group, they know which people to silence.

reply to post by nightmarehalo


Don't get me wrong, I can back a peaceful protest, I can back a protest even if I don't agree with the message. But when it ceases to be a protest and turns instead into a riot (or in the case of the Pittsburgh Anarchists: turn it into Burning Man) I can't agree with it.

And while the 1st Amendment doesn't allow Congress to make a law against people to peacefully protest, the states sure as hell can regulate it thanks to the 10th Amendment.

So for all of you who think that these anarchists were being oppressed, I say look up the laws in Pittsburgh PA about protesting and come back when you see that you have to have a permit and you can't just pick up some banner, burn a dumpster or two, and smash a bunch of windows and call it a peaceful protest all off the permitted parade route.

As far as that sonic cannon goes. John Stewart said it best "Do you know what kind of music these kids listen to? This cannon is probably their ring tone by now."

[edit on 11/18/2009 by whatukno]

reply to post by spliff4020


This is scary stuff, if this doesn't awaken people to the truth of the nation we live in and our lack of any rights at all. Who is going to protect us from these cops when they get the order to use more than tear gas and sound wave guns? And if its true the protesters were throwing rocks how much longer do we have before the Boston Massacre part 2 takes place? How much longer until one of these Nazi storm troopers is on every corner or is quartered in your home like a redcoat?

Who has the power and authority to call out that many cops, especially to mobilize them against peaceful protesters. We're not talking about armed guerrilla's we're talking a peaceful gathering, even if a few of the protesters were rowdy before the cops showed up it doesn't warrant that kind of police response.

No one can protect themselves from these cops, they're head to toe in armor, they have riot shields and likely have MP5s or M16s... Could you imagine the fear and anger you'd feel, being out peacefully voicing your opinion, and suddenly fully armored riot cops emerge from the shadows wielding tear gas grenades at you.

I hate to say it but it may be too late to save this nation without getting ourselves beaten, arrested or killed, Peaceful Revolution or not.

[edit on 18-11-2009 by Titen-Sxull]

reply to post by whatukno


You are not going to out the corrupt power elite by abiding by their rules.

To comply using permits and laws is to dis-empower, I would prefer these protests to be peaceful but you will always get a minority group bent on provocation.

Passions run high and even peaceful protesters can be goaded into acting out of character due to the seriousness of the issues they are trying to get addressed.

And obviously you also have those members of the police force used to incite reaction at events like this: Agent Provocateur.

Discussed on this thread:Police ADMIT to Use of Agents!

reply to post by Koka

And obviously you also have those members of the police force used to incite reaction at events like this: Agent Provocateur.

Did you see what the protesters did with the accused Agent Provocateur's in that video? They kicked them out of the protest. This was a correct response. If the Anarchists at the G-20 would have done this there would have not been a problem. Instead they jumped right onto the bandwagon and so got what they asked for.

And I still don't buy the "every person that was violent at the G-20 was an undercover cop" story. It's bull. There might have been a few. But when anarchist blogs and websites have plans to purposefully go off of the permitted protest route They get what they ask for.

The police repeatedly told the crowd to disperse because it was an unlawful assembly. When they refused to do so and instead attacked the police with dumpsters, they failed the peaceful part of protesting.

Again I have to ask, why is it that these protesters were attacked and Tea party protesters aren't? I have to ask why is it that these protesters were attacked and Neo Nazis aren't? I have to ask why is it that these protesters were attacked and the 9/12 protest wasn't? Why is it that these protesters were attacked and gay rights protests aren't? Seems to me that if the government hates free speech as much as some on this board claim, they sure do have a funny way of acting against it. I mean one protest out of how many that go on in this country? Really?

I can't agree with anarchy. And I can't condone violence. I can't support trying to turn a protest into Burning Man. Sorry, that doesn't fly. The constitution does not support violent protests.

The disturbing thing about your post is it makes me think that if these kids are dumb enough to not out an agent provocateur in their midst and instead take his cues and start being violent, how hard would it be for say an Al Qaeda agent provocateur to turn these morons into suicide bombers?

just another disgusting abuse of power

stay peaceful, violence is not the answer

reply to post by Titen-Sxull

This is scary stuff, if this doesn't awaken people to the truth of the nation we live in and our lack of any rights at all. Who is going to protect us from these cops when they get the order to use more than tear gas and sound wave guns? And if its true the protesters were throwing rocks how much longer do we have before the Boston Massacre part 2 takes place? How much longer until one of these Nazi storm troopers is on every corner or is quartered in your home like a redcoat?

Do you know that there are protests that happen in this country nearly every single day of the year?

www.protest.net...

Protests happen all the time. Most are quite peaceful and you don't see the Gestapo jack booting them down. But they decided that the "harmless" G-20 protest would be the one they clamp down on.

Hmm, can anyone say bull ? I thought so.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

PITTSBURGH — Police fired canisters of pepper spray and smoke and rubber bullets at marchers protesting the Group of 20 summit Thursday after anarchists responded to calls to disperse by rolling trash bins, throwing rocks and breaking windows.

Peaceful protest my ass!

The marchers did not have a permit and, after a few blocks, police declared it an unlawful assembly. They played an announcement over a loudspeaker ordering people to leave and then police in riot gear moved in to break it up. Authorities also used a crowd-control device that emits a deafening siren-like noise, making it uncomfortable for protesters to remain in the streets.

Who has the power and authority to call out that many cops, especially to mobilize them against peaceful protesters. We're not talking about armed guerrilla's we're talking a peaceful gathering, even if a few of the protesters were rowdy before the cops showed up it doesn't warrant that kind of police response.

Probably the governor. I really don't know why you all are ignoring my posts, I am showing you that these weren't peaceful protesters, please stop calling them that. They were not peaceful by any stretch of the imagination. When you pre plan to break windows, when you start dumpsters on fire and overturn them in the streets, when you use them as battering rams against the police, you are not peaceful protesters, your rioters.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Anti-G20 protesters rampaged through the city centre of Pittsburgh tonight, smashing up shops and throwing rocks at police, as officers used tear gas and baton-charges in an attempt to bring them under control.

In riots which continued through evening rush hour, about 300 protesters were reported to have remained from an initial crowd of 2,000 in Bloomfield, Pittsburgh’s Little Italy.

Frustrated in their attempts to reach the venue where world leaders are meeting the crowd, many of whom wore face-masks and armed themselves with rocks, broke windows at fast-food restaurants, a BMW dealership and a bank in the area, about a mile from the fenced-off convention centre.

And the police used less than lethal force against the rioters. Go ahead, tell your sob story to people in China.

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Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Titen-Sxull

 

This is scary stuff, if this doesn't awaken people to the truth of the nation we live in and our lack of any rights at all. Who is going to protect us from these cops when they get the order to use more than tear gas and sound wave guns? And if its true the protesters were throwing rocks how much longer do we have before the Boston Massacre part 2 takes place? How much longer until one of these Nazi storm troopers is on every corner or is quartered in your home like a redcoat?

Do you know that there are protests that happen in this country nearly every single day of the year?

www.protest.net...

Protests happen all the time. Most are quite peaceful and you don't see the Gestapo jack booting them down. But they decided that the "harmless" G-20 protest would be the one they clamp down on.

Hmm, can anyone say bull

? I thought so.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

PITTSBURGH — Police fired canisters of pepper spray and smoke and rubber bullets at marchers protesting the Group of 20 summit Thursday after anarchists responded to calls to disperse by rolling trash bins, throwing rocks and breaking windows.

Peaceful protest my ass!

The marchers did not have a permit and, after a few blocks, police declared it an unlawful assembly. They played an announcement over a loudspeaker ordering people to leave and then police in riot gear moved in to break it up. Authorities also used a crowd-control device that emits a deafening siren-like noise, making it uncomfortable for protesters to remain in the streets.

Who has the power and authority to call out that many cops, especially to mobilize them against peaceful protesters. We're not talking about armed guerrilla's we're talking a peaceful gathering, even if a few of the protesters were rowdy before the cops showed up it doesn't warrant that kind of police response.

Probably the governor. I really don't know why you all are ignoring my posts, I am showing you that these weren't peaceful protesters, please stop calling them that. They were not peaceful by any stretch of the imagination. When you pre plan to break windows, when you start dumpsters on fire and overturn them in the streets, when you use them as battering rams against the police, you are not peaceful protesters, your rioters.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Anti-G20 protesters rampaged through the city centre of Pittsburgh tonight, smashing up shops and throwing rocks at police, as officers used tear gas and baton-charges in an attempt to bring them under control.

In riots which continued through evening rush hour, about 300 protesters were reported to have remained from an initial crowd of 2,000 in Bloomfield, Pittsburgh’s Little Italy.

Frustrated in their attempts to reach the venue where world leaders are meeting the crowd, many of whom wore face-masks and armed themselves with rocks, broke windows at fast-food restaurants, a BMW dealership and a bank in the area, about a mile from the fenced-off convention centre.

And the police used less than lethal force against the rioters. Go ahead, tell your sob story to people in China.

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You sir get a star for this!

I dont think people understand that there are two sides to every story. Protest if you want to, but it only takes one radical dumbass to mess it up for everyone and the results are, well, you know.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Koka

 

I can't agree with anarchy. And I can't condone violence. I can't support trying to turn a protest into Burning Man. Sorry, that doesn't fly. The constitution does not support violent protests.

Anarchy is not something I would look forward to, but it might be the enema this corrupt system requires. We can't just sit on our hands, the government are playing by their own rules, rules which they are making up as they go along. The corrupt need to be brought to justice and exiled from society, it's a little hard to do that when they have an unquestioning policing system on their side.

The disturbing thing about your post is it makes me think that if these kids are dumb enough to not out an agent provocateur in their midst and instead take his cues and start being violent, how hard would it be for say an Al Qaeda agent provocateur to turn these morons into suicide bombers?

Oh come on, don't start with the fear mongering. If a "moron" was to go postal it would be down to their individual mental condition and I would say there is a greater chance they would be swayed into a false flag operation before they fall foul of an undercover Al Qaeda operative, either way we are just speculating, and moving off on a tangent.

The real issue is how the general populous are willing to buy in to such an openly corrupt society, bending over every which way, taking it cause that's what is required of a free and safe democracy.

I for one am thankful that there are those willing to go face to face with these hypocritical officials and stand for their own rights and on behalf of others.