Oil is not of fossil origin and is inexhaustible

Originally posted by sr_robert1
reply to post by Solenki

 

You tell him to read and do his own research. But where does your research come from? Government approved science books? There is only so much information avaible in this world that is not tainted by government corruption. I'm not sayin that either one of you is right or wrong. I'm just sayin.

lol, you took that right out of my mouth! Being educated... doesn't mean F*&^ck all, the reason being is that most educated facilities such as (schools, colleges, universities) are all spoon fed by government (few elites in power) what to teach our kids... I mean what to brain wash our kids... how do you think people thousands of years ago thought about earth being "round" well guess what... for thousands of years we were WRONG! so what makes you think we're right now... we're not, we know so little about our world... it's sad... all because of egoistic individuals that say "we know it all" no need to research anymore...

Originally posted by freighttrain

Originally posted by sr_robert1
reply to post by Solenki

 

You tell him to read and do his own research. But where does your research come from? Government approved science books? There is only so much information avaible in this world that is not tainted by government corruption. I'm not sayin that either one of you is right or wrong. I'm just sayin.

lol, you took that right out of my mouth! Being educated... doesn't mean F*&^ck all, the reason being is that most educated facilities such as (schools, colleges, universities) are all spoon fed by government (few elites in power) what to teach our kids... I mean what to brain wash our kids... how do you think people thousands of years ago thought about earth being "round" well guess what... for thousands of years we were WRONG! so what makes you think we're right now... we're not, we know so little about our world... it's sad... all because of egoistic individuals that say "we know it all" no need to research anymore...

So much better to avoid education all together and listen to someone who has no academic expertise in a given field??

I think PolPot would have loved you!

reply to post by Solenki


Thank you! Thank you Thank you!!!
I really have nothing more to say......

reply to post by freighttrain

It was the scholars, the educated, who knew that the world is round. It was the illiterate and uneducated who believed it to be flat.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by freighttrain

Originally posted by sr_robert1
reply to post by Solenki

 

You tell him to read and do his own research. But where does your research come from? Government approved science books? There is only so much information avaible in this world that is not tainted by government corruption. I'm not sayin that either one of you is right or wrong. I'm just sayin.

lol, you took that right out of my mouth! Being educated... doesn't mean F*&^ck all, the reason being is that most educated facilities such as (schools, colleges, universities) are all spoon fed by government (few elites in power) what to teach our kids... I mean what to brain wash our kids... how do you think people thousands of years ago thought about earth being "round" well guess what... for thousands of years we were WRONG! so what makes you think we're right now... we're not, we know so little about our world... it's sad... all because of egoistic individuals that say "we know it all" no need to research anymore...

I'm glad you think that. It keeps the stupid out of the Universities

I do like to think that we have progressed over the thousands of years and while we may not know it all we have a reasonable handle on quite a few matters.
Geology is one of the disciplines which has come leaps and bounds since its inception and is primarily observation based with the subsequent interpretation of the observations built upon tested and retested hypotheses.
Gah, I get sick of the people who are untrusting of Higher education. You may have that problem in your country but I am unaware of any lasting controversy regarding falsification of data relating to Geological matters in my country.

I understand this is a conspiracy website but sometimes there is no conspiracy, just misunderstanding!

I have heard rumors from "good old boys" that worked the oil patches from texas to oklahoma that:
"the wells fill up, just give 'em time"
and
"where is the oil shortage, all them tanks is full"

supposedly: "after the crash in the 80's there was plenty, and many wells were/are restarted just based upon the price per barrel."

thats why they pay schlumberger to map them, and then pour a plug of concrete back in the hole and drill another one, its not if there is oil, its a matter of profitable enough

another theory from the "think tank": (translated-redneck geeks drinkin' and brain stormin")

"God put it here to lube the tectonic plates, and the more we suck out, the more stress on the plates from friction, and the more earthquakes we will end up having. "

don't believe it, but heck everyones got an opinion, and almost has as much scientific data...lol

dr

Originally posted by aorAki

Originally posted by freighttrain

Originally posted by sr_robert1
reply to post by Solenki

 

You tell him to read and do his own research. But where does your research come from? Government approved science books? There is only so much information avaible in this world that is not tainted by government corruption. I'm not sayin that either one of you is right or wrong. I'm just sayin.

lol, you took that right out of my mouth! Being educated... doesn't mean F*&^ck all, the reason being is that most educated facilities such as (schools, colleges, universities) are all spoon fed by government (few elites in power) what to teach our kids... I mean what to brain wash our kids... how do you think people thousands of years ago thought about earth being "round" well guess what... for thousands of years we were WRONG! so what makes you think we're right now... we're not, we know so little about our world... it's sad... all because of egoistic individuals that say "we know it all" no need to research anymore...

I'm glad you think that. It keeps the stupid out of the Universities

I do like to think that we have progressed over the thousands of years and while we may not know it all we have a reasonable handle on quite a few matters.
Geology is one of the disciplines which has come leaps and bounds since its inception and is primarily observation based with the subsequent interpretation of the observations built upon tested and retested hypotheses.
Gah, I get sick of the people who are untrusting of Higher education. You may have that problem in your country but I am unaware of any lasting controversy regarding falsification of data relating to Geological matters in my country.

I understand this is a conspiracy website but sometimes there is no conspiracy, just misunderstanding!

not much to add here, thanks again aorAki.
If you believe that education is totally controlled by TPTB well come to my country, come see in what condition we teach, we do our reaserch and then we will talk about it.

If knowledge was reserved to the elite, then it tooks only a trip to the library to someone to be part of the Bilderberger.

It's two in the morning here in France, gonna have a last cigarette and i'll kiss you good night

Originally posted by NibiruWarrior

I've read a lot of research and there are theories that OIL is the blood of the Earth, if you consider that the Earth is a living entity, which I and many others do.

Well, I don't know about it being the blood of the earth, but it certainly is the "lifeblood" of our modern society/economy. For me, this topic creates a severe conflict. I know that oil is vital to our standard of living, but there is a major part of me that screams for our world to find another way to provide energy. Oil (hydrocarbons) just has a such a heavy overhead that we should abandon it altogether, in my opinion. My fear is that we WILL discover that oil IS nearly inexhaustible, and we will continue to pollute the world unchecked. My father is a retired petro-chemist that worked for Shell Oil at one time, and I remember him saying once that he had a hard time believing that hydrocarbons were entirely produced by decaying plants and animals. He mentioned to me that he believed it could be possible for hydrocarbons to be formed deep in the earth through natural processes. Then he quit working for Shell Oil and became a polymer chemist. He never mentioned it again and I was too young to understand the significance. I may ask him about it next time I see him.

I have heard rumors from "good old boys" that worked the oil patches from texas to oklahoma that:
"the wells fill up, just give 'em time"
and
"where is the oil shortage, all them tanks is full"

supposedly: "after the crash in the 80's there was plenty, and many wells were/are restarted just based upon the price per barrel."

thats why they pay schlumberger to map them, and then pour a plug of concrete back in the hole and drill another one, its not if there is oil, its a matter of profitable enough

another theory from the "think tank": (translated-redneck geeks drinkin' and brain stormin")

"God put it here to lube the tectonic plates, and the more we suck out, the more stress on the plates from friction, and the more earthquakes we will end up having. "

don't believe it, but heck everyones got an opinion, and almost has as much scientific data...lol

dr

reply to post by freighttrain


My mother always warned me: "beware of ATS members who denounce formal learning, and carry avatar by-lines such as "School of Life", or other such tripe!"

Interesting by-line you've got there.

[edit on 16-11-2009 by mckyle]

reply to post by freighttrain

Whether right or wrong I'm with you somewhat here, an educated person should be open to the idea that any knowledge not gained from primary sources (so anything from a textbook or lectured) is open to manipulation (maybe like dumbing down, limiting the knowledge or complete fabrications).

I'm not saying we have evidence to support this but I'm saying it's a possibility.

At primary school I was taught that gravity was due to the Earth spinning fast and therefore holding us on lol.

Originally posted by Solenki

Originally posted by aorAki

Originally posted by freighttrain

Originally posted by sr_robert1
reply to post by Solenki

 

You tell him to read and do his own research. But where does your research come from? Government approved science books? There is only so much information avaible in this world that is not tainted by government corruption. I'm not sayin that either one of you is right or wrong. I'm just sayin.

lol, you took that right out of my mouth! Being educated... doesn't mean F*&^ck all, the reason being is that most educated facilities such as (schools, colleges, universities) are all spoon fed by government (few elites in power) what to teach our kids... I mean what to brain wash our kids... how do you think people thousands of years ago thought about earth being "round" well guess what... for thousands of years we were WRONG! so what makes you think we're right now... we're not, we know so little about our world... it's sad... all because of egoistic individuals that say "we know it all" no need to research anymore...

I'm glad you think that. It keeps the stupid out of the Universities

I do like to think that we have progressed over the thousands of years and while we may not know it all we have a reasonable handle on quite a few matters.
Geology is one of the disciplines which has come leaps and bounds since its inception and is primarily observation based with the subsequent interpretation of the observations built upon tested and retested hypotheses.
Gah, I get sick of the people who are untrusting of Higher education. You may have that problem in your country but I am unaware of any lasting controversy regarding falsification of data relating to Geological matters in my country.

I understand this is a conspiracy website but sometimes there is no conspiracy, just misunderstanding!

If knowledge was reserved to the elite, then it tooks only a trip to the library to someone to be part of the Bilderberger.

It's two in the morning here in France, gonna have a last cigarette and i'll kiss you good night

The problem is you get your knwoledge exactly just from the books. How you made your pHD? from the books? from an actual field work?

Have you ever really gone to an oil platform and drilled the hell out of a hole and talked with experienced people in that area? Did you talk with some oil extractor expert about what he thinks of it?

Thats the problem in the society we live today, it´s all learned from books and few actually go for the real deal. Do you guys say that for real life experience?
Sincerely i enjoy more reading some posts here about real life story's than some guys just trying to convince everyone by all force because of facts. Those people instead of just denying it because they just know it and i don't, should just read it again and try to get something constructive out of it.
Nowadays we think we reached the top and think we know all.
Guess what 300 hundred years ago they tough they knew too. Stop denying whatever you don't like and be more humble and contructive with new ideas.


[edit on 16-11-2009 by polar]

Took this from wiki

Fossil fuels are formed by the anaerobic decomposition of remains of organisms including phytoplankton and zooplankton that settled to the sea (or lake) bottom in large quantities under anoxic conditions, millions of years ago. Over geological time, this organic matter, mixed with mud, got buried under heavy layers of sediment. The resulting high levels of heat and pressure caused the organic matter to chemically alter, first into a waxy material known as kerogen which is found in oil shales, and then with more heat into liquid and gaseous hydrocarbons in a process known as catagenesis.

There is a wide range of organic, or hydrocarbon, compounds in any given fuel mixture. The specific mixture of hydrocarbons gives a fuel its characteristic properties, such as boiling point, melting point, density, viscosity, etc. Some fuels like natural gas, for instance, contain only very low boiling, gaseous components. Others such as gasoline or diesel contain much higher boiling components.

Terrestrial plants, on the other hand, tend to form coal. Many of the coal fields date to the Carboniferous period of Earth's history. Terrestrial plants also form type III kerogen, a source of natural gas.

Now lets have a look at the coal forming process
Took this from wiki

Coal is a readily combustible black or brownish-black sedimentary rock normally occurring in rock strata in layers or veins called coal beds. The harder forms, such as anthracite coal, can be regarded as metamorphic rock because of later exposure to elevated temperature and pressure. It is composed primarily of carbon along with variable quantities of other elements, chiefly sulfur, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen.

Coal starts as layer upon layer of annual plant remains accumulating slowly that were protected from biodegradation by usually acidic covering waters that gave a natural antiseptic effect combating microorganisms and then later mud deposits protecting against oxidization in the widespread shallow seas — mainly during the Carboniferous period — thus trapping atmospheric carbon in the ground in immense peat bogs that eventually were covered over and deeply buried by sediments under which they metamorphosed into coal. Over time, the chemical and physical properties of the plant remains (believed to mainly have been fern-like species antedating more modern plant and tree species) were changed by geological action to create a solid material.

Coal, a fossil fuel, is the largest source of energy for the generation of electricity worldwide, as well as one of the largest worldwide anthropogenic sources of carbon dioxide emissions. Gross carbon dioxide emissions from coal usage are slightly more than those from petroleum and about double the amount from natural gas.[1] Coal is extracted from the ground by mining, either underground or in open pits.

As geological processes apply pressure to dead biotic matter over time, under suitable conditions it is transformed successively into

Peat, considered to be a precursor of coal, has industrial importance as a fuel in some regions, for example, Ireland and Finland.
Lignite, also referred to as brown coal, is the lowest rank of coal and used almost exclusively as fuel for electric power generation. Jet is a compact form of lignite that is sometimes polished and has been used as an ornamental stone since the Iron Age.
Sub-bituminous coal, whose properties range from those of lignite to those of bituminous coal are used primarily as fuel for steam-electric power generation. Additionally, it is an important source of light aromatic hydrocarbons for the chemical synthesis industry.
Bituminous coal, dense mineral, black but sometimes dark brown, often with well-defined bands of bright and dull material, used primarily as fuel in steam-electric power generation, with substantial quantities also used for heat and power applications in manufacturing and to make coke.
Anthracite, the highest rank; a harder, glossy, black coal used primarily for residential and commercial space heating. It may be divided further into metamorphically altered bituminous coal and petrified oil, as from the deposits in Pennsylvania.
Graphite, technically the highest rank, but difficult to ignite and is not so commonly used as fuel: it is mostly used in pencils and, when powdered, as a lubricant.

now u show me chemical evidence that coal is made up elsewhere....
I could also do this with oil but i think this is enough heres a link
petroleum

Quote from the above link

Abiogenic origin
Main article: Abiogenic petroleum origin
A number of geologists in Russia adhere to the abiogenic petroleum origin hypothesis and maintain that hydrocarbons of purely inorganic origin exist within Earth's interior. Astronomer Thomas Gold championed the theory in the Western world by supporting the work done by Nikolai Kudryavtsev in the 1950s. It is currently supported primarily by Kenney and Krayushkin.[15]

The abiogenic origin hypothesis lacks scientific support. Extensive research into the chemical structure of kerogen has identified algae as the primary source of oil. The abiogenic origin hypothesis fails to explain the presence of these markers in kerogen and oil, as well as failing to explain how inorganic origin could be achieved at temperatures and pressures sufficient to convert kerogen to graphite. It has not been successfully used in uncovering oil deposits by geologists, as the hypothesis lacks any mechanism for determining where the process may occur.[16] More recently scientists at the Carnegie Institution for Science have found that ethane and heavier hydrocarbons can be synthesized under conditions of the upper mantle.

[edit on 16-11-2009 by loner007]

reply to post by mckyle


I see you have nothing to add to the topic except attacking the other side of the argument. Why is that? Do you have something to add to the thread?

Sorry to tell you this, I am an engineer. Once one thinks that all is known, one becomes one of the masses of flat earthers.

As the others have posted, hydrocarbons can be created abiotically, and evidence of hydrocarbons have been detected on other planets.

I guess it just cannot exist here on our planet. I guess it is not a reproduce-able phenomenon. Please add to the discussion and quit your elitist mentality.

The ignorance in this thread is epic. I am usually the one to keep and open mind and err on the side of the "fringe" but some of the denial of fact is just too painful to witness.

Folks, there is a BIG difference between scientific research and being taught.

Being taught: Somebody of authority [parent, teacher, professor, even government] informs the pupil of information presented as fact. This information is to be learned but cannot be independently verified.

Scientific research (or the scientific method): The pupil asks a question, does background research, and constructs a hypothesis. Then the pupil tests the hypothesis via experimentation, analyzes the data and draws a conclusion. This is all communicated to others freely for peer review.

Telling a real scientist that they do not know anything because all they know is from books that have been polluted by the evil reptilian overloards (or whatever your version of TPTB is) is quite an insult. Please find where somebody's scientific research is wrong and then call them out.

My god, at least put some sort of verifiable scientific research into what you are saying. Scientists and researchers don't just sit around in university libraries learning what somebody else wrote - they do research on their own theories. Yes, they will sit in the library for long hours performing step 2 of the aforementioned scientific method, this is true. But the entire process from idea to hypothesis to experiment is how progress is made.

Many times this research is performed via grant$. If you are accusing a scientist of doing research which was biased to support a particular agenda put forth by a grantor, then just say so - and back it up. Attacking somebody's academic integrity is kinda serious with people who make a living on science and research.


Thanks for putting up with my rant. I just could not take the stubborn ignorance anymore.

Sure, it is possible for abiogenic oil to form, but no theory has been verifiable. We do know that organic matter when subject to the right conditions can produce oil. What is the problem here? Provide proof that an abiogenic process is to blame and then we have something. Just regurgitating talking points by the same guy who swiftboated Kerry (ie somebody with a strong political agenda) is not going to earn you any 'cred' with actual scientists no matter how smart you are.

[edit on 16-11-2009 by nydsdan]

Abiotic or non-abiotic doesn't really matter (I tend to think non-abiotic however). Whatever the mechanism for geologically producing oil it is slower than our demand for oil by a huge magnitude.

The Russians are peaking as the world peaks.



Russia Oil Output Expected to Drop

MOSCOW -- Russian oil output has risen this year, against expectations, but industry participants and analysts say the world's biggest energy supplier faces an inevitable decline in production.

Russian oil firms have cut investment programs following a drop in crude prices from last year's record highs, but have surprised many by squeezing more hydrocarbons than expected out of maturing fields in Siberia.

But this may prove unsustainable, with a steep drop in drilling this year pointing to lower production ahead, industry observers say. Dwindling output in Russia, which pumps about 20% of the oil produced by countries outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, could buoy global prices.

"Further oil-output growth will be extremely challenging in Russia," said Oswald Clint, an analyst at Bernstein Research in London. He estimates exploration drilling fell by more than 40% in the first half of the year compared with the same period last year, based on statistics from oil-field service companies and independent energy consultancies.

Predictions of a decline in Russia's oil production come against a backdrop of rising output this year. In total, Russian oil producers pumped 77,000 barrels a day, or 0.8%, more in the first seven months of the year than in the same period of 2008.

Six new Russian fields launched late last year produced a combined 400,000 barrels a day, helping lift total volume. Among the new fields are South Khylchuyu in the Arctic north of Russia, operated by OAO Lukoil; TNK-BP Ltd.'s Uvat and Verkhnechonskoye fields; and OAO Surgutneftegaz's Talakan field in eastern Siberia.

But the new fields have already reached peak capacity and are now starting to slowly decline, according to an executive at a major oil-field services company.

"Exploration activity is sliding and operators will struggle to keep production levels up," said the executive, who asked not to be named.

Originally posted by mckyle
reply to post by freighttrain

 

My mother always warned me: "beware of ATS members who denounce formal learning, and carry avatar by-lines such as "School of Life", or other such tripe!"

Interesting by-line you've got there.

[edit on 16-11-2009 by mckyle]

If you read correctly you'll see "Student of Life" ... meaning I learn from "LIFE (non-formal school)" more then I ever from any MS educated facilities... yes I've attended College, University and obtained my degree, but so what... every book I got preached on was over a decade old, it put me in debt with student loans, the grading only focuses on Left side of brain (Right side doesn't pay your bills and not encouraged in this society for majority), you are thought to "compete" rather then "teamwork", you are limited to what someone else thought about the world and got passed along for decades with simple modifications...

IT stopped me from growing and "really" being able to question the world around myself... because the moment you start asking question out of norm... you get attacked by these so called "educated" egos.

So tell me, is this really "learning" or being trained on how to think "inside" the box and learn to repeat what you've been told?! To me, it sounds like propaganda!

I proudly denounce "formal" training and encourage everyone to seek life from their "own" perception without the limitation of "formal training" and set themselves free from this social deviation, without prejudice and without ego, be free and "question everything" ... that is our true calling in life!

Oh, here is one of the articles I came across. It is from this Little known place called the Carnegie Institute. Are they a good enough source, or am I going to get more flack for my research?

And if you like it, how about an apology to everyone here.

Hydrocarbons in Deep Earth

And here is the video presentation.

Video confirming the production of heavy hydrocarbons under abiotic conditions!!!!

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by freighttrain

 

It was the scholars, the educated, who knew that the world is round. It was the illiterate and uneducated who believed it to be flat.

en.wikipedia.org...

because the few elite kept most of the world as their slaves/peasants they had no place to be on the same level as the few literate (not to mention how we kept colored skin labeled as a slave and had nothing to do with what you were capable of) and so obviously the few literate had the privileged to discover life and so they did... very few peasants won and they had to fight for it. Majority were NOT encouraged to do so, by bashing peoples lives/ideas/thoughts by the few "educated" people the rest just loose hope in themselves and never pursuit anymore then what they're handed.

Look at the world around us today, what's different.... nothing, the few that have the privilege to go beyond the norm, achieve amazing experiences, the rest working their a## off to pay their bills and feed their kids, do you think they have the luxury to spend time/resources in educating/researching?

Let's be real, the world we live in today do NOT support majorities input and always seeks few certain people and they pass along their judgement on the rest of the world.

Here's a FACT for you, it's been proven that more non-experts can come up with better results (allows outside of box thinking) then few experts. So if our world supported this don't you think we could "ALL" be experts combined? If so, aren't we the "schools" that we're talk about...



[edit on 16-11-2009 by freighttrain]

finally someone thought about it... kudo's ... oil is plant vegitation or Bio-Diesel.