Europeans more brainwashed than 'Americans'??

oh dear, we have to work on our communication skills
funny, when I read the first post I saw a set of totally different statements, compared to what many other guys saw. I think the original post has a point but in a different way. I was born in the old USSR and moved to UK. Many of my friends now live in USA, Canada and all over the Europe. We chat all the time. I hope this qualifies me to give a interesting observation about the topic. Let me just warn you that I am generalizing and what I mean to describe is my subjective observation of majority of people. I would exclude the readers of ATS from the generalization as we are pretty unique in the way we think and in the way we have been messed up. OK let's start.

1. Former USSR, Europe and USA brainwash their population in the way elite wants, tailored to specifics of the given culture. The guys I grew up with moved to all parts of the world. We had the same ideas, thoughts, and views. Now I see the disparity in our views and they moved toward the mainstream consensus of the respective countries each of us currently lives in. That's the first-hand empirical evidence I can share with you, not something you read in the newspaper.

2. Europe is more "brainwashed" than the USA. But in what way? Assuming the goals of the elite are the same in all aforementioned countries, Europeans are less unhappy about the way things are going. Their dissatisfactions are not as extreme as those of our USA friends. This can be clearly seen from the origin of many conspiracy theories. Most of them come from the USA, and very little come from Europe, even though we have the same banking system, for example. People in Europe express dislikes of their leaders and things around them alot, but somehow protests do not go as extreme and wild in their opinions as those in the USA. On the other hand, MSM in Europe seems to be able to indulge in hurtful stories with relative impunity. Take UK for example and the recent expense claim scandal. Yes it’s a diversion, yes the money are peanuts compared to the rest of the looting, but do you think politicians in the USA are different? Why no one leaked that info into MSM? The focus of frustration and blame is misplaced in both countries (yes EU is practically a country now, including UK) but it is misplaced in a different way. Most of the bad things in Europe people seem to explain by greed, incompetence, etc. Whereas dissatisfaction with the US government and banking and corporate control by our USA friends goes further, showing sinister motives of the elite. I have a bad feeling that we are both barking at the wrong tree, scapegoats are different but hardly any of us has a clear idea who’s the real baddy and who’s a pawn. Now, I am not sure as to exact numbers of people who don't like the way things are going (MSM makes sure real numbers do not appear), but it seems that people who live in the USA and think about corruption, connecting dots are far more advanced in their views as to what’s going on. By advanced I mean more paranoid. And by paranoid I don't necessarily mean in a bad way there are many asleep in the USA, but those who are awake shout louder than those in the Europe.

3. Europeans seem more calm and subtle in their dislike of the elites, as if they are not threatened by elites in the same way Americans are. Perhaps it is because of the European heritage of revolutions and wars, makes us think we would never ever have someone like Adolph, Joseph or Benito, so we are less worried, thinking that we will be able to draw a line, bless

4. Healthcare in the UK and the USA are in a mess. Can't say much about the rest of Europe, more so because it is so varied. But it seems that at this stage at least, the UK mess is more pleasant to ordinary people who get sick, than the USA mess. So people are not as outraged, understandably.

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5. On the other hand, Europe has seen more protests and riots of unhappy people in recent year or so than USA, based on what news I can find. Yet, Europeans are more happy to give up the freedoms, viewed by Americans as crucial, e.g. the gun ownership. Honestly, what's the big deal? Haven't we all learnt from Ghandi? You don't need guns to resist a dictator. In fact, guns give a dictator an excuse to rape and pillage.

6. Yes, UK has more CCTV per square mile than any other country and yes we now have a system in place that reads license plates of all passing vehicles and keeps them for 5 years, and yes corporations are known to buy information on protesters collected by the police from the police. Also, social services can take your children away in the UK more readily than in the US (from what I hear about the US). However, the cases I personally seen in UK, the children are better off without such parents. Yes system fails and families get hurt but on the whole we have an impression at least that system kinda wobbles through into better future. Dangerous I know. Hence we’re more brainwashed in some ways.

7. The socialism is in the UK and was in the UK for a long time, yet somehow this is better socialism than I experienced in the USSR. The same goes, to a certain extent, for the rest of the EU. As an example, EU dictates policies, farmers get subsidies as compensation, and this destroys farming locally. Yes we are more dependent on the government, yes we don’t have some freedoms, but somehow it works OK in EU. Perhaps that’s why Europeans (in their huge diversity) are less paranoid (or more brainwashed?) than our USA friends. Perhaps our masters are little kinder than your masters. It doesn’t change the sad reality for all of us, but it may explain why, when Europeans are unhappy, they are unhappy about subtly different things and in a different way. This makes them more brainwashed in and American understanding of the word. But when it comes to viewing the country they live in a wider contest, i.e. our place in Europe, our place in the world it appears to me that Europeans are more cosmopolitan (in a nice sense of the word) and aware of other nations, which makes them less brainwashed (in a European meaning of the word).

8. People in UK in general don’t want to be part of Eurozone and EU in a sense of being controlled by pen pushers in Bruxelles, but they are part of Europe in all other ways. And ever since Gordon Brown sold the gold at rock bottom prices, the fate of the UK was sealed as part of EU and there is no way back. So even if we don’t like it, UK is Europe politically, economically and bureaucratically.

9. Europeans in general strike me as people who don’t mind to give the power to the ruling class as long as ruling class exercises this power in moderation. Perhaps this explains why many of European countries still have a living monarch, this is very important symbolism. That’s why I think Europe will go into NWO without much of a problem. Is it good, is it bad? I wish there was a better way, but look, USA had a chance to be this free rebel spirit, and what it ended up as? USA is not particularly a good example of free republic, is it? That’s why Americans en mass are brainwashed in a different way from Europeans. But both are brainwashed nonetheless and both see the speck in each other eye, because it’s easier to spot it – fish out of water syndrome. So when statements like the post above occur we always have to make sure that the words used mean the same thing to all of the participants in the conversation.

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10. In “Animal Farm”, after animals kicked out bad farmers and pigs became new rulers it ended badly, but when all the mess is settled down do you remember the ending of this novel? Animals found new, nice farmers to feed them and look after them. Get it? We are screwed, it’s built in us!!! Europeans, contemporary Americans and any large nation tried their own version of Utopia and ended up in a mess. What I am trying to say is that it seems we tried different ways to govern ourselves and none of it worked perfectly. This means that no nation can impose their way of life on other nations. This goes for Muslim countries, Christian countries (using both terms very loosely), socialist countries, capitalist countries, fascist countries, kingdoms etc.

The above are my personal observations, please take them as such. Some of them you may find interesting and educational, with others you’ll disagree. What I described is how it looks from my tree – the full truth is somewhere behind all those trees.

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oh crap. sorry for the long post, I'll be good next time promise

Originally posted by MR BOB
guns are not banned in the UK. handguns are.
you can still have a Shotgun or rifle, but you need a license.

You still need a reason for wanting the gun.

Does it matter who is more "brainwashed"? This is an individual thing and not only that but you do it to yourselves.

Originally posted by Illuminator13
Does it matter who is more "brainwashed"? This is an individual thing and not only that but you do it to yourselves.

Looking on the bright side,the NWO probably wont be any worse than Hitler,Stalin,Mao,Pol Pot,Hirohito,Caesar,Torquemada and the Pope,LBJ,Nixon,Bush 1 and 2,and all the rest combined.

Hi there,

I'm from the Netherlands (so forgive my ma English here),

Read most of the topic comment's and the author could not have been more wrong.

Europeaans need another way of propaganda and brainwashing then you Americans. Forgive me saying. Your media propaganda is directed at your feelings of partiotism. Our propagande is far more subliminal. It's true that Europa is kinda a Semi-democratie. For example. 5 Years ago. we Dutch people voted a NO for the European constitution. Nou we wil probaply have our own Premier (prime-minister) Balkenende to be the first President of the EU. Follow me?? we said no tot the constitution and deliver the first president???
That shows us dutch ppl that there is something seriously wrong with our country. And in response, what do the pll of the Netherlands do to show their anger to the governement. They go and vote for Wilders (the guy from the "fitna" movie) and his national-social-like party (history can repeat itself here)
Ppl don understand there is something verry bizar bout the Wilders figure. He sounds like a NAZI, but is pro-Israel and verry verry outspoken anti-Islamic. He has proposed the most bizar Bills in our parlement. It's almost as if tPTB want an extremely right figure to run our little nation. And when i say little, then i ask you to know that we are Financial nation numer 8 in the world. If all economics worldwide collapse then our country will be the ritchest of all. (we own more gold then any other nation worldwide) so you need to count us in. No wonder why we are the only county of only 17.000.000 ppl that is a member of G8!

The Netherlands are changing rapitly. Fingerprinting on ID-cards/pasports. GPS-driving, a bill passed that requiers every vehicle to have a GPS box tot pay by kilometer we drive (yeah wright)
XTC is our biggest export product, and almost every drug is allowed to use (not by law, but they let u use it anywayz) we have the lowest addiction rate in the world. I think our goverment earns allot of monney with our drug policy. And they made sure by media campaigns that everybody knows how to use it in way without any addiction risking behavior. (i know this will be unbelivible to most of you, dun take my word for it, research yourself) Here ppl use harddrugs, are healthy and work their jobs as normal. that is: houseparty in the wkend and work @ monday! Works for the sheepple of Holland it seems. You will only get arrested for dealing, not for using!

Our country is controled using media, allowing recrerational use of drugs (houseparty's are legal here) We can blow of some steam fighting in the name of football. Als these things are systems of contole (Matrix whaha) and it seems to work.

Hope i wansn't to mutch off topic, hoped to inform ya'all litle more bout how democratie is in The Netherlands

Hey ThraexX, I found your post interesting, thanks. Actually, I found that many of Europeans who actually talk about PTB, NWO and related topics (on the net, tube) are from the Netherlands. so by this measure you guys are least brainwashed, but as you and I and few more pointed out, different people are controlled differently, majority is not going to be a problem for them.

reply to post by Essan


Our Obsession with guns is to contain the BEAST, google video Washington DC Occult.. that's right the NEW WORLD ORDER.
just as in revelations - America is no longer innocent and good.
The Beast is strong. and its a system of deception and violence.
when the contract was broken the morning of 911. it is at war against us at the moment by limiting of freedoms and liberties. Also, since the child rape by the Catholic Priest - mega money churches are in vogue I think money has corrupted the church. and I think GOD is Pissed. expect divine introvention on a biblical scale. because Americans are Soft and will not stand against oppression. and I'm a American... the reason they censor death out of our News is for shock value when it attacks and conquers us the people its sworn enemy.

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[edit on 18-11-2009 by Anti-Evil]

Originally posted by Anti-Evil
reply to post by Essan

 

Our Obsession with guns is to contain the BEAST, ... it is at war against us at the moment by limiting of freedoms and liberties. ...

[edit on 18-11-2009 by Anti-Evil]

[edit on 18-11-2009 by Anti-Evil]

For all gun loving people, I suggest you review this
ATS post. the fight domain has shifted. the information is a new gun. guns are not effective anymore in this war. you cannot kill the dragon in a conventional way. by all means keep the guns if you want, but do not surrender other weapons either (access to information, education, united family, united neighbourhood, strong friend relationships, influence and presssure corportaions and government in every way you can. you have an artillery at your disposal and all you can think of is a small projectile weapon that shoots one bulet at a time?).

I would say Europeans and Americans are brainwashed just as much, however in different ways. Europeans are brainwashed first and foremost by means of censorship laws that make dissident views illegal. The media and education system play only a secundary role here.

In the US, it's the oposite way around. There, the media and education system are the primary sources of indoctrination, making censorship laws like in Europe pretty much unnecessary.

Originally posted by ThraexX
The Netherlands are changing rapitly. Fingerprinting on ID-cards/pasports. GPS-driving, a bill passed that requiers every vehicle to have a GPS box tot pay by kilometer we drive (yeah wright)
XTC is our biggest export product, and almost every drug is allowed to use (not by law, but they let u use it anywayz) we have the lowest addiction rate in the world. I think our goverment earns allot of monney with our drug policy. And they made sure by media campaigns that everybody knows how to use it in way without any addiction risking behavior. (i know this will be unbelivible to most of you, dun take my word for it, research yourself) Here ppl use harddrugs, are healthy and work their jobs as normal. that is: houseparty in the wkend and work @ monday! Works for the sheepple of Holland it seems. You will only get arrested for dealing, not for using!

Our country is controled using media, allowing recrerational use of drugs (houseparty's are legal here) We can blow of some steam fighting in the name of football. Als these things are systems of contole (Matrix whaha) and it seems to work.

I've always considered the Netherlands as some kind of playground for the capitalist oligarchy to experiment with radical new ideas before implementing them elsewhere (when proven convenient for their agenda).

Originally posted by PC equals Newspeak

I've always considered the Netherlands as some kind of playground for the capitalist oligarchy to experiment with radical new ideas before implementing them elsewhere (when proven convenient for their agenda).

You get the picture verry well, i indeed see our country as experimental country. I have come to understand the the US is also concidering to change their drug policy, true? The drug policy here doesn't worry me, it works u see. It's the anti-islamic fashist-like Geerd Wilders that worries me. I see more and more police-state like bills being proposed on a weakly bassis. and the media-cirque propaganda machine is running like hell. try to understand that be4 WWII our ppl's way of thought was not verry different from the Germans. Our history teatchings don dicuss this matter to often. But what happend in Germany could have also happend here givin the right circumstantses at the time. Given that right extrem-right figures are winning ground in alot of EU counties i just hope that history don't repeat itself.

I can give you alot of conspircy theorie's concirning Wilders, like his campagin being funded mostly from the US. We as voter have no influence on their party's agenda. (unlike the rest of the political party's in the Netherlands).


belive i'm straining bit off-topic here, just glad that i can talk bout this matters without being seen as the towns-fool, whehe


regards,


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Originally posted by ThraexX
You get the picture verry well, i indeed see our country as experimental country. I have come to understand the the US is also concidering to change their drug policy, true?

I'm actually from Belgium (Ik ben Vlaming ), so I don't really know.

Originally posted by ThraexX
The drug policy here doesn't worry me, it works u see.

I notice, though, they're putting more and more restrictions on "coffeeshops" from showing your ID-card to fingerprinting. Also, I read that coffeeshops are no longer allowed in several cities (for example Rozendaal) because of all the drug-tourists. What's going on?

Originally posted by ThraexX
It's the anti-islamic fashist-like Geerd Wilders that worries me. I see more and more police-state like bills being proposed on a weakly bassis. and the media-cirque propaganda machine is running like hell.

I noticed. Ever since the death op Pim Fortuyn and the subsequent rise of Geert Wilders, Holland seems to have turned into an entirely different country.

Originally posted by ThraexX
try to understand that be4 WWII our ppl's way of thought was not verry different from the Germans.

Actually, it was. If you read some material published in the early days of the NSB, you'll notice that they stress that antisemitism is foreign to the Dutch people and that the Dutch people has always went along fine with the Jewish people. While it is true that when Germany occupied Holland the SS favored a more radical pro-German faction of the party (eg. Meinoud Rost van Tonningen, Pieter Emiel Keuchenius or George Kettmann), the Misthoorn-affaire shows that this side still had strong oposition from the more Dutch part of the party represented by Anton Mussert.

Originally posted by ThraexX
I can give you alot of conspircy theorie's concirning Wilders, like his campagin being funded mostly from the US.

It seems more likely he's funded by Israel. After all, he's expressed his love for that state several times, showing a lot of sympathy for Zionist ideology and a radical Islamophobic agenda he shares with other strange individuals like Hans Jansen and Aryaan Hirshi Ali.

Originally posted by PC equals Newspeak

I notice, though, they're putting more and more restrictions on "coffeeshops" from showing your ID-card to fingerprinting. Also, I read that coffeeshops are no longer allowed in several cities (for example Rozendaal) because of all the drug-tourists. What's going on?

First of all, Hi there neighbour!
Well, it might look like polici is changing for drug-tourists, for the dutch their is not changing verry mutch. Your talking about the idea to have all coffeeshop have a cliënt-regestration. that is indeed the idea, but realise that most ppl don't buy @ the coffeeshop but @ the neighberhood dealer so. and this is only a small portion of the drug policy. If i get cought by police having no more the 3 pills of X, or a gram of something else then they let me keep it couse it's for my own usage

Actually, it was. If you read some material published in the early days of the NSB, you'll notice that they stress that antisemitism is foreign to the Dutch people and that the Dutch people has always went along fine with the Jewish people. While it is true that when Germany occupied Holland the SS favored a more radical pro-German faction of the party (eg. Meinoud Rost van Tonningen, Pieter Emiel Keuchenius or George Kettmann), the Misthoorn-affaire shows that this side still had strong oposition from the more Dutch part of the party represented by Anton Mussert.

hhmm, it might look that way, but in the first 3 years we where collaborating verry well with the germans. Indeed, be4 WWII we where getting along with the jews fine and idd we didn't like the NSB's tone, but we were also verry nationalisic. so it *could* have happend to us to. (check the dutch propaganda img's on google)
the dutch only want to remember the Anne Frank story, and don like to speak about our weak resistense compared to outer EU nations like france, and perhaps belgium also. Our real resistence started after about 3 years in the war. After the Hunger winter we have had it with the Germans. and idd tried to make their lives misserble. but be4 that, the german SS thought of the Netherlands as a nice paradise to go on leave.

It seems more likely he's funded by Israel. After all, he's expressed his love for that state several times, showing a lot of sympathy for Zionist ideology and a radical Islamophobic agenda he shares with other strange individuals like Hans Jansen and Aryaan Hirshi Ali.

Could be just as true. Their are fiew (auto)biography's about this man and what Wilders has always kept in the dark is his nine years in of living and working in Isreal. he keeps this a big big secret. Nobody knows why he lived their and what he was doing there. But a large proportion of his funding is comming from the US of A (private investors) source: ZEMBLA

Regards,

Originally posted by ThraexX
hhmm, it might look that way, but in the first 3 years we where collaborating verry well with the germans. Indeed, be4 WWII we where getting along with the jews fine and idd we didn't like the NSB's tone, but we were also verry nationalisic. so it *could* have happend to us to. (check the dutch propaganda img's on google)

The hard line of Rost-Van Tonningen never was popular in Holland, unlike Mussert's more Dutch and more moderate approach. Without interference of the SS, there would not have been any significant antisemitism in Holland and antisemitism is unlikely to have won the support of the general public in Holland (where they got along fine with their local Jews, unlike the Germans).

Originally posted by ThraexX
After the Hunger winter we have had it with the Germans. and idd tried to make their lives misserble. but be4 that, the german SS thought of the Netherlands as a nice paradise to go on leave.

Most Dutch people saw the Germans as a related people, much like Flemish and Dutch people still do today. However, the support for radical National-Socialism and especially its antisemitic parts was very small in Holland. In fact, ethnic based nationalism has never been popular in Holland with exception of these strange new Pim Fortuyn and Geert Wilders movements.

Originally posted by ThraexX
Their are fiew (auto)biography's about this man and what Wilders has always kept in the dark is his nine years in of living and working in Isreal. he keeps this a big big secret. Nobody knows why he lived their and what he was doing there. But a large proportion of his funding is comming from the US of A (private investors) source: ZEMBLA

It smells like Mossad.

Originally posted by PC equals Newspeak
It smells like Mossad.

U read my mind!

and btw, reading your comment's u sure know your history, nice!


ps. congratulations. Belgium delivers the first President of the EU. another step closer to the nwo

Originally posted by ThraexX
and btw, reading your comment's u sure know your history, nice!

I have quite a passion for 20th century history and the history of the Third Reich and WW2 is one of my areas of expertise. I also own a private book collection with many rare works from that era, giving me access to many sources most people don't have access to.

Originally posted by ThraexX
ps. congratulations. Belgium delivers the first President of the EU. another step closer to the nwo

Van Rompuy becomes EU president? Couldn't they really find anyone better than him?!?!

Originally posted by PC equals Newspeak
Van Rompuy becomes EU president? Couldn't they really find anyone better than him?!?!

well, did you want mister Harry Potter Balkenende instead??
chosen behind closed doors. the'll have their reasons, for whatever those shall be.