Europeans more brainwashed than 'Americans'??

Originally posted by triplesod

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by Wotan

 

Don’t forget Higher taxes, and seriously how can you set there and say (with a straight face) that you "Europeans" have more freedoms then America? Freedom of Speech seems hard to come by over there in G.B. I mean for if you say anything Hateful it’s off to jail you go..... Let me know how that works out for you. (ask the Danish politician who was barred from entering G.B because he produce a video that Muslims found offensive.) or the Danish newspaper that was bombarded for “Hate Speech” for printer pictures that where unflattering about that fake prophet.


I don’t have anything against Europe, but you people are the first ones to blame the US for world problems, so it’s only natural that we Americans will fire back. It’s a tic for tact thing.

Jesus! You just get better, don't you?

Dutch politician! Do you actually know anything about our Gert? Obviously not as you don't know his name or where he's from.

I don't think you understand the difference between freedom of speech and promoting hatred, which is illegal in all Western countries, including your own.

The debate about the cartoon was varied and interesting. The majority of people here were saying that the paper, though maybe thoughtless and silly, had every right in printing the cartoon and many were asking our papers to do the same in support but our papers were too scared of any comeback from extremists to do so.

No one is getting sent to jail for hate speech anyway. They may possibly get a fine, depending on what was said and if it resulted in any violent action from the them or anyone else.

Stop guessing and presuming about thinks you know absolutely sweet FA about and actually do a bit of research, or ask someone here who knows before making yourself look daft and intolerant!

Well said, bravo.

Originally posted by Avenginggecko


I've made friends with Germans, British, Scottish, and French visitors here in the states and most people with even a cursory knowledge of Europe respect it and its diversity of people.

I appreciate what you said, mate. It's a good post but I hope you don't mind if I respectfully pick you up on one thing. Just a small thing but it drives us lot mad!

Scottish people ARE British people. Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales. The UK is Britain and Northern Ireland.

Cheers.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by zaiger

 

Actually the term is correct, dont you guys become one nation here soon?? Like December the EU becomes on superstate? So if thats the case then no your all Europeans. Am I right or wrong help me out I want to get it right.

First off im american.
And oh yeah the EU will become one big superstate in december and in january the wester hemisphere becomes one big super state and in march the world will become one big superstate so the euro and the amero will be obsolete so we will.all use earth tokens to buy things. And in november of next year there will be full disclosure but it will not matter because by then the world's population will all be in the FEMA camps that were built.
Or on the other hand you are wrong.

reply to post by triplesod


Yeah I know, but my best friend's family is Scottish so I just wanted to throw that in there to make it look more diverse.

reply to post by LiveForever8



I Agree 100%, United We Stand! Divided We Fall! Nationality is not the issue, as the enemy is the same for all nations!





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The battle has begun; you are behind enemy lines and already have their trust, giving you strategic advantage, like it or not, right now you are partially responsible for the planetary Genocide that has begun, soon it will become the greatest Mass Murder this planet has ever known, that is what you are part of, do you in your heart believe it be just?

It is not too late! Start fighting back from the inside! Use your position to help your human family! You know it is the Right Thing to do.

Perhaps you are uncertain of what you can do. Begin by Setting all data free! You know it should be! Publicize their objectives! Disrupt any system that you work with, so that it cannot proceed toward its objective! Do what you were trained to do! You wanted to make a difference, Now is your chance!

The advantage has become ours join us! Their resources are waning, soon they will not be able to pay you, and will discard you as they do with anything they consider no longer useful.

With your help the war can be won quickly, without bloodshed!

Those on here that are following the playbook, is this what you went to school for? Think about the teachers and professors that shared their time and knowledge with you, would they be Proud of you now? Is this how the knowledge was intended to be used? Would your family be proud if they knew what you were really doing?

Knowledge is power! Use it Wisely!

nevermind.

[edit on 13-11-2009 by Raverous]

There is in actuality aside from pride and rhetoric no discernible fundamental differences between cultures in the West.

Individual laws vary by State and at this point you can describe each country in the EU as a State not unlike America. But these are laws, in essence, the culture itself after you put down the menus and diets and language is essentially identical.

You get Europeans who call Americans fat and well yeah....you don't have our farm belt which supplies 1/3 of the worlds food and Australians are actually officially fatter than us at this point in time.

But the movies are the same the tv programs are identical, all nations are to varying degrees socialist/capitalist, sexual norms are quite similar, social life is extremely similar.

The variance between where I live in Northern AZ is greater between here and NYC than NYC is from Paris or London in regards to day to day life. If America wasn't so huge and rural in many places the gun rhetoric or desire wouldn't even exist... There are simply places in America like HERE where a Bear might kill you so there is a rational reason in places to still own guns, obviously in NYC it's as hard to get a gun license as London because the only possible need is violence.

But really the West is dumbed down period...

It's called PC all our cultures have been infected with guilt and apathy to one degree or another, most people are conditioned to simply want jobs not be entrepreneurs and most people live of the system, If your Urban the Camera thing is riht there here or in Europe and if your Rural it's not, like I said we just have allot more Rural

Europeans make allot of statements about American flag wavers...

But you have your own brands from the BNP in England to other groups through out Europe that aren't fans of the EU r foreigners...

I'd say... It's more Cultural than national in Europe han America but for example Pride in Being lets say French or German as Culture is just as strong as American national Identity, so it's culture not Nation but really just as moronic to base your life and personality around, no real difference.

I think the bottom line is;

There is no real meaningful difference between Europeans and Americans

We want there to be but in reality 80% of people tow the line of what they are told to think by the media in both places, the fundamental values don't vary much beyond liberal vs conservative and socialist vs capitalist and the demographics reflect these things by location.

In other words, Places like most of California and NY are identical in thinking politically or close to it as much of Northern and Western Europe and other parts of America are simply ore removed and rural... but you will see the same thinking in terms of conservative thought in England or Ireland in the country side it simply isn't as large or loud a voice and farming and that aspect of culture is not nearly as big anymore as in America... but the divides are the same...

You could put California as an island right off the coast of Europe maybe off Spain where the climate matches and the people would mesh almost seamlessly aside from the ghetto and really, Paris and London don't have similar elements and conditions?

I'm sorry but, there is no fundamental difference between Europe and America, Europeans like to think they are culturally superior but America simply is vast and sparsely populated and we have a much louder conservative voice and action still, but our Urban centers are virtually indistinguishable beyond architecture which by and large due to age of the nation Europe bests us on...

Anyone is welcome to watch Springer and look at Americans as different... and you know maybe one day some eastern European nation will get a show too and demonstrate that Europe has it's own Arkansas as well...

Europeans slum nations...well they are "other nations lol" and we have Idaho LOL so those kooks when they get on TV are examples of America...

But reality? Go to Yugoslavia... there are quite a few "rednecks" of various orders there shooting and killing in Eastern Europe last on soil war in Europe was within a decade Louisiana hasn't attacked Alabama in a baptist Lutheran war as of yet, so both continents have there "spots" of morons... it's just easy for a guy in London to disassociate himself nationally from Bratislava

But really, London, Rome, NY, Paris, Berlin, San Diego all the same nation...sure little cultural differences like the pulp fiction line... but showing breasts or not does not a different nation make, better weed laws lol... I mean come on, it's basically legal in California too... Just don't drive through TURKEY with any in your pants or... Southern Arizona

But for all intents and purposes we are one people, the only divides are illusions and fabrications like diet and clothes... other than that we read mostly the same books, have access to the same news sources, have crap on TV, watch the same movies and have much of the same or similar junk in our stores...

Some will say these people are rude these people aren't etc, etc...

But it's all crap NYers are loud, if from downstate but quiet and reserved through 80% of the rest of the state, America is almost as diverse as Europe really, just depends what part your from.

Are we different?

70% of Americans are of European origin.

We are Europe like it or not, Europe with a half a continent of Farmers and rural conservative dwellers...

That is why we all fall under the label of WESTERN CIVILIZATION after all.

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Yes but there are different class restrictions and bonuses. Like Americans deal 20% bonus damage against Nazis and an increased 10% chance to hit. While the british get plus four to their base charisma stat.
That is the only reason we won the war for our independence and helped finish WW2.

good post!

But you have to remember the right to bear arms etc etc has been long out lawed in most of Europe. Its true in the UK we are monitored by millions of cameras. but it does not mean they stop the hoodlums and violent crime.

On one side you could argue that our current state as former world powers is where the US is rapidly heading. EG we bankrupted our empire in WWI & 2. The US has finaly reached its end after the cold war and the war on terror.

Or you could take the alternate view that with the resurgence in nationalism in europe (BNP in the UK) and many more parties in the continent that history is cyclical and the liberal past may be on the way out for the old world

i dont get this whole "more" brainwashed....if that means were all brainwashed in some way how can this be an argument surely we need to say we all need to stop taking sides and stop the "brainwashers" from doing what they do for the fate of all humanity and not devide us into land mass

[edit on 13-11-2009 by vortexcmd]

reply to post by vortexcmd


no no no THAT is the trick....TO get us to all get along to form the one world government
When it comes to the BS conspiracy theories you really can't win.

Originally posted by frenchpoulbot
I am French. (I use Google translation, sorry) I suffered since I was born

www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr...

France has the biggest Muslim problem in EU. Liberty,Fraternity,Equality is Nonsense.You have the crusades in reverse.

"FP: Sorry gentlemen, my eyes are starting to glaze over."

97.74.65.51...
Cagaptay: Here is the picture: percentage-wise as well as in cumulative terms, France has the largest Muslim community in the EU. There are no official figures, since France does not collect numbers on religious affiliation, but according to official estimates, there are 6 million Muslims in France, that is 10 percent of the population. Unofficial estimates point at an even higher figure, suggesting as many as 8-9 million Muslims. What is more, given the low birth rate in the general French society, and the continuing immigration of Muslims from North Africa, this number is bound to increase.
The issue I would like to raise in this context is not that we should be concerned that there are so many Muslims in France, rather it is that the Muslims in France see themselves at the margins of the society and resent that fact. The Muslims in France are the worst integrated Muslim community in any EU country. Mass Muslim immigration to France is a post-WWII development. Many came from North Africa, especially Algeria, to look for jobs. However, France has done a terrible job in integrating them. The benign founding myth of the French state, that there are no differences between the citizens, has worked against the integration of the Muslims. On the one hand, from the very beginning, Muslims in France, already from a background of conservative--rural Islam, had few avenues towards assimilation into the metropolitan French society, and on the other, the society has acted as if these barriers do no exist.
The end result is that vast segments of the Muslim population in France have little to do with the rest of the society. The banlieus of Paris, Marseilles, and other major French cities are full of disgruntled and poor North African Muslims today, who feel discriminated in the school system, in the public sector and in access to government services. The bottom line is that elite institutions, means of upward mobility, as well as quality government services are in accessible to most Muslims in France. What is more, with the rise of radicalism in the 1990s, these neighborhoods are now under the effective control of fundamentalist Muslims. If I were French, I would be very worried.

What ails these people and makes them stick out like sore thumbs in French society is not so much Islam and Islamic teaching but backward traditions they have brought with them from home. One of most problematic of these cultural baggages is the status of women within these communities. Second or third generation North African women in France still live under tremendous pressures to uphold the retrograde practices of their paternalistic communities. Women are treated as inferior to men and are bossed around by their husbands, brothers and fathers.

Sorry, but when I think of the problem of the growing presence of Muslims in France, the first thing that comes to my mind is the heart-breaking reality of forced marriages and honor killings being perpetrated on Arab-Muslim girls on French territory. I think of forced veiling. I think of the gang-rapes of Muslim and non-Muslim girls who are not veiled in Arab-Muslim ghettoes. I think of female genital mutilations. I think of the growing radical element that might perpetrate another 9/11 over there. I think about all we can possibly and hopefully do to crush these forces. Needless to say, that is what is on my mind, not sitting around worrying what will happen to someone else afterwards, someone that is not even a victim of the huge crime that is perpetrated and should be thought about and condemned

reply to post by triplesod


FAILED YET AGAIN, promoting Hate is not ILLEGAL IN THE US, its PROTECTED, god you are simple.

As a European, can I ask that the moderators delete this thread?

It's not a debate, or even an exploration of a subject. It's an Ad Hominem attack against Europeans.

Please delete this thread and warn the OP for being a moron.

The Para.

Originally posted by Parallex
As a European, can I ask that the moderators delete this thread?

It's not a debate, or even an exploration of a subject. It's an Ad Hominem attack against Europeans.

Please delete this thread and warn the OP for being a moron.

The Para.

Oh, this is classic.

US thread: free for all
Israel thread: free for all
European thread: delete because it's deemed an attack?

Before I add anything to this thread, I want all posters to have the BALLS to indicate their location.

I think this is most important to understanding the various flavours of opinions that we are seeing - flavours that I am MOST glad to see are finally being exhibited withn ATS.

So, lets ALL be honest, from NOW on and change our User Profile so that each and EVERY member and Guest of ATS can see from where that opinion is being exhibited.

It REALLY does make a difference you know.

No more of this annoymous BS.

If you have an opinion then have the BALLS to stand up and show yourself fully.

BTW, this type of thread is EXACTLY what I am looking to encourage within ATS overall.

TRUE discussion.

No PC.

No BS.

An HONEST and RESPECTFUL debate of issues.

Now, go away fools, think about it and, hopefully, we can start to actually openly DISCUSS issues properly.

reply to post by LadySkadi


Sorry? Have I offended you oh member of the master race?

I've been playing Modern Warfare 2 recently. Quality game - love the storyline - lots of Americans get killed, the best part about the storyline is, THEY DESERVE IT!

Funny how movies, computer games, books and other social commentaries provide an offset view of reality isn't it? Perhaps, just to even the odds, I need to start a thread about how stupid, fat and ignorant Americans are?

But then, as I'm not a bigoted idiot, I won't - because as I know plenty of nice, intelligent and open-minded American folks, it would be a baseless Ad-Hominem attack. And would therefore be moronic. MORON!

The Para.

Originally posted by Essan
We just don't understand the American obsession with arms.

Yes, handguns are banned - but 99% of the UK population never had, nor wanted, a handgun.

You don't want or need handguns? Good for you.

Now, I want handguns, rifles, shotguns and high powered semiautomatic carbines because I enjoy them and they hold value better than the dollar.

They also serve other incidental uses such as keeping criminals from being comfortable with helping themselves to my money, belongings or harming me and mine. I actually rarely have to deal with them, maybe once every two to four years. As I understand it, Most of the criminals have jobs in Washington DC.





[edit on 13-11-2009 by badgerprints]

Originally posted by Parallex
reply to post by LadySkadi

 

Sorry? Have I offended you oh member of the master race?

I've been playing Modern Warfare 2 recently. Quality game - love the storyline - lots of Americans get killed, the best part about the storyline is, THEY DESERVE IT!

Funny how movies, computer games, books and other social commentaries provide an offset view of reality isn't it? Perhaps, just to even the odds, I need to start a thread about how stupid, fat and ignorant Americans are?

But then, as I'm not a bigoted idiot, I won't - because as I know plenty of nice, intelligent and open-minded American folks, it would be a baseless Ad-Hominem attack. And would therefore be moronic. MORON!

The Para.

No, I'm not offended, even with a post full of name calling (Moron? really...) Frankly, I find the idea of someone crying for censorship (on ATS) quite amusing.

BTW - have you seen me contribute to this thread? Not until censorship came up, did I find the interest to do so. I agree that a lot of this thread is stereotypical nonsense. It isn't the first one, probably won't be the last one. Get a grip. Take a breath.





[edit on 13-11-2009 by LadySkadi]

While I think the US are brainwashed just as the rest of the world is to their own culture I think europans are probably the most brainwashed as they practically beg their leaders to implement these laws in the first place and don't realize the way they think what they are for and against has been totally created by social engineering over the past 30 years. I'm from the surveilance capital we even have cameras that look ike trees AND WE WANT MORE more suppression more cameras and more laws please give me more laws i'm scared of myself,who knows what i might do if i learn to think for myself i might just revolt and that would take a lot of time and effort we don't want that,i want it easy without having to think lol