I need help being a whistle blower, to make sure I get results

Originally posted by Enigma Publius
It's an insert that goes inside the gun, inside the box.

You will see whenI post the full pics, both statements were true.

Must be a big gun, since there appears to be no folds in the cardboard insert on which the image is drawn.

At times like these you can make very good use of your local politicians.

If the story has roots, as you claim it does, only a politician in office can be a real direct help.

The vendor from whom you bought this will have to divulge his supplier, who will in turn have to divulge their supplier, etc.

At some point someone is NOT going to want to make the assertion that these toys came from "X"place.

The only way to find and save this person (if they exist) is to legally compell them to tell you. That takes a government official.

Any civil action threatened against you would be pointless.

If you pursue this through the media exclusively, it can be shutdown by commercial interests. Uniformd Code of Commerce allows for it. They (meaning companies) have rights you don't.

So I suggest you find yourself a nice self-interested local political officer, a mayor, a judge, a senator, a congressman, an alderman... etc.

These people WANT to be heroes in the public eye and they will use their connections to achieve it.

Local News organizations can appear to be helpful, but if you look at the history, it is very rare.

Good luck.



I received this in my U2U from someone that I don't know if they want to be named or not, so I'll omit that for now. I think it;s the most sound advice I have had so far. I still don't see this as "case solved" because of the baby in the picture. It does appear toi depict a birth, and to me, this still proves that the toy was made by a child. So I know I was going to publish photos of the toy tonight, but I am still not sure on what to do. I am going to town, I will be back on here by 8:30, and I think I will publish ONE more photo of how the message was hidden, so that some of you will better understand. But I will need a good FREE photoshop or other program to omit the brand name because THIS IS NOT A HOAX, and I do feel personal responsibility to this issue. I want to be sure that I handle it right is all.
thank you all who have followed this and who care.
I'm hoping that some twisted punk at a factory thought it would be funny to do this for a joke, and no one is in such trouble as you describe.

But if they are, you need to do what your heart is telling you to do.

If you decide you can not, simply package up the toy and mail it to some who's job it is to follow up on these claims. But I can't say that's an encouraging option....

Originally posted by Ha`la`tha

Originally posted by Enigma Publius
It's an insert that goes inside the gun, inside the box.

You will see whenI post the full pics, both statements were true.

Must be a big gun, since there appears to be no folds in the cardboard insert on which the image is drawn.

it is a quite small gun. The top has a round tube that the insert goes in, with colorful pictures on the OUTSIDE of the insert. You can see the colors through the tube, but not the inside of the cardboard. It was folded into a circle about 1 and 1/2 inch in diameter, hence no creases.
the batteries to my camera are dead, I am going to town to buy more, and You will see when I get back what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by truthseeker84
China's as corrupted as U.S., and it has been for quite sometime. The only good thing we could hope for is that these bad guys who are forcing child labor gets caught. In China, for a crime as serious as that, you get a bullet in the head, case closed.

I would imagine, much like in the U.S., it's only illegal for those who can't afford to pay officials enough money to look the other way. It's illegal to hire illegal immigrants here, but if you walk into the kitchen of any Bennigans or TGI Fridays, you'll find it chalk full of illegals. Every now and then they talk about cracking down on employers who hire them, but it's always just talk.

Originally posted by truthseeker84
I am Chinese, looking at the picture posted above, I see nothing wrong with it

Im looking at your avatar and CRIKEY i say the same thing..

Ahem, 2'nd line? oh don't ping me mods, you know it's true, but I'll cop it if it be the case... 8]~~~

Originally posted by Big Bear
reply to post by Enigma Publius

 

Did your son need this toy? Perhaps before consuming, ask yourself, is this something we need? If the answer is no, the product probably came from China.

you are silly. does a child need 99% of the toys they have? Probably not, but my son does chores, earns money, and gets to spend it on what he wants.

Originally posted by RoyalCanadian
I don't get what the big deal is! you THINK it's from china. it's probably some kids pulling a prank.

being that the packaging and the toy says made in china, it kinda seemed like what the FBI would call a clue.

Originally posted by Ha`la`tha
Im looking at your avatar and CRIKEY i say the same thing..

Ahem, 2'nd line? oh don't ping me mods, you know it's true, but I'll cop it if it be the case... 8]~~~

I was gonna say the same. VERY distracting, not in a bad way, but distracting nonetheless.

I think if the kid was really in trouble they would actually write a note....
If the kid can spell fart or whatever, then he/she probably can write a basic note for help.

It looks like a silly pic that someone put in there as a joke.

BUT I see why you would be worried, I could be wrong, let's hope I'm right.

[edit on 9-11-2009 by _Phoenix_]

Originally posted by loam
reply to post by Enigma Publius

 

Originally posted by Enigma Publius
What I can be sure of is the squiggly lines she drew coming from the crotch of her shorts that lead to the floor and she even tried to point an arrow to the stream and write "PEE" but because she probably has great trouble writing english, she left the top horizontal line off both capital "E"'s, so that they look like upside down "F"'s. The tears running down her cheeks broke my heart. I hear that they do not allow bathroom breaks, so I consider my interpretation to be 99% plausible, and the boox WAS SEALED, and the picture HIDDEN INSIDE THE TOY.

After seeing the picture, I'm uncomfortable with your immediate interpretation.

Could one not also suggest it was the birth of a sibling? Maybe the drawing expresses resentment or jealousy of some such event?

I'm also not entirely comfortable with your interpretation of the script.

No doubt there are child laborers in despicable conditions in many parts of the world. This may even be evidence of it. But I'm not 100% certain.


[edit on 9-11-2009 by loam]

Nope. 100% certain that she is drawing child slave labor and urine and tears. Im kind of uncomfortable with this response.

This is one of those moments that I can't fathom what can be done. One thing for sure, I wouldn't give this as an exclusive story, nor would I back down to any of them no matter what. Mass release to many media outlets online and off with reasons given for the many releases. It has to be massively released.

Seek pro bono legal advice until you get someone with integrity to tackle this from the correct angles, pro bono, and gather as many as possible. This must stop everywhere in the world. I dont believe in corporate slavery, money systems or banks, and this is TPTB fascism.

Garner support with signatures. This should be a movement to stop this and all slavery. Most people of the world live under systems like this.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
I think if the kid was really in trouble they would actually write a note....
If the kid can spell fart or whatever, then he/she probably can write a basic note for help.

It looks like a silly pic that someone put in there as a joke.

BUT I see why you would be worried, I could be wrong, let's hope I'm right.

[edit on 9-11-2009 by _Phoenix_]

yes I leave the option open that I am wrong. But it just looks disturbing, and I keep thinking maybe this had to be done very quickly, hence the sloppiness, and perhaps the child is very undereducated, and doesn't even know how to spell many words yet. I remember the first words I wanted to learn how to spell when I was 5 or so, and "fart" was at the top of the list.
Call me what you will, but I still to this day think flatulence is funny, it's not the height of hilarity like it was in my youth, but still pretty funny now and then, depending on the timing of course.
Anyway, I now have more batteries for my camera, and I will post some pics showing how the insert was used and hidden, but I need a FREE photoshop type of program, any suggestions?
Or I could send the pics to someone trustworthy who already has photoshop, and see if they would be willing to post them with just the insert part, leaving out the rest of the gun.
Who can help me find a virus free photo editing program? I did a google search, and the top 5 results were garbage.
I want to post pics for the doubters, without showing the whole gun, so I need some good program, or a kind soul who is willing to take 15 minutes to help me.

reply to post by Enigma Publius

Try this www.gimp.org...

I have photoshop, but I've heard that this is a good free alternative.



p.s I can try to help you with the pics instead if you want, as I have photoshop.

Has to be the next 5 mins, or I'm gonna go bed to sleep haha(in london)

[edit on 9-11-2009 by _Phoenix_]

reply to post by Unity_99

Originally posted by Unity_99
Nope. 100% certain that she is drawing child slave labor and urine and tears. Im kind of uncomfortable with this response.

Even after learning the Chinese character means "fart"???

Look, I detect a pretty big assumption on your part about me.

My posting history soundly demonstrates my commitment to the protection of children.

As an example, I would submit the following:

A Conspiracy Against Children: Exactly who is out of control?

In the present thread, I just think way too many assumptions are being made-- some in direct contradiction to the evidence, as already demonstrated by the meaning of the Chinese symbol.

That is all...



[edit on 9-11-2009 by loam]

reply to post by _Phoenix_


thanks mate, I'm downloading Gimp now, pics will be up soon!

I just noticed, that if you look very close, the "puddle" that I assumed was liquid at her feet, looks like another attempt to draw a child that has been scribbled out. I can see two eyes, and a mouth, and a potatohead.
Anyone else see that?

This is only an observation. (I have not read through all 9 pages of posts)

2nd, That is a truly horrible story. My best wishes for that child and hopefully a safe return to a safe family.

3rd, Your Screen name " Enigma Publius "
I immediately seen your seen name and thought of the Pink Floyd. I'm not saying that your story is false or a hoax.

The Publius Enigma is an obscure mystery involving a riddle proposed in connection with Pink Floyd's 1994 album The Division Bell.[1] It originated and has been followed predominantly on the Internet and began, according to some sources, as a Web-based contest implemented to promote the album and its tour. Although the true nature of the puzzle has never been revealed and the consensus is that it was largely abandoned by its creators, the challenge remains unresolved as of 2009 and the matter has yet to be brought to an official conclusion.

...again my best wishes

TD

reply to post by loam


If the letters do mean that how is it truly related to the picture? I am sorry for making presumptions concerning you, but this was really a shocking thread. Not that there are not other cases in the world as well, but to hold the picture drawn by this child is very hard not to stir up some pretty strong feelings.

If this is a child abused, impregnated and force to work til a miscarriage takes place, this would also be crime.

But she could still be writing PEE in english, it looks like she tried to write the word again in the puddle at the bottom.

This is an urgent cry for help in any case.


[edit on 9-11-2009 by Unity_99]

reply to post by Unity_99


Fair enough, but I respectfully disagree.

I have a five year old and he would hardly be aware of how to write 'fart' in Chinese. I think in this example, the child is likely writing in Chinese and not English.

Why is the horribly treated child slave smiling?