I need help being a whistle blower, to make sure I get results

[edit on 9-11-2009 by NoJoker13]

Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by Enigma Publius

 

Juvenile debate? Address the fact why you would criticze people who didn't agree before you got any responses to the contrary? I did do my research apparently you haven't done yours. Also if I wanted to sound like I was right all the time I'd change my name to Enigma POMPUS!

Again, you twist things to your agenda, which seems to be proving me wrong for some reason or another. I never really "criticized" doubters. But I was smart enough to know there would be HEAVY doubt associated with this since the package was already opened. That's why I was quite reluctant to start here.
You are the one coming off as Pompus sir, I am just a concerned person who feels that fate has put me in a difficult position. I knew I would be up against some tough scrutiny, and if I could sleep at night while doing nothing at all about this, I would. But alas, if you look at my other posts, I love our site here, and I am perhaps gullible but believe strongly that we can do something positive here and help our fellow friends and neighbors in this world.
Forgive me for caring, you seem to have a big problem with people who want to help others. You are suspicious of anything that is selfless, I wonder about your upbringing. But I will not make a useless assumption, instead I will ask you directly:
Did your parents have active roles in your life? Did they ask you how your day was at school when you got home? Were they absent emotionally? Where did you pick up you inability to believe that mankind can honestly care about people other than themselves? And last, what is odd to you about a person having enough foresight to know that he would have to deal with someone like you, and his mother offering encouragement for him?

reply to post by Enigma Publius
Well Enigma you aren't going to like this if you get so upset at others who have doubts.

You constantly brag about all the points you have on this post and how it gives YOU a sense of happiness.I know you said you would give them all up but you you keep bring them up.

"ATS has become so cynical and demeaning".In the next couple post after this one you are scolding posters for how they talk to you and the manner in witch they recommend courses of action.There verbage is there way of expressing them selves,who are you to scold them when they are trying to help.

"Be proud ,this is what OUR site is made for,at least things like this".This is all starting to sound like you are trying to teach ATS people a lesson.

The idea you would take this to a politician or judge when all Ive seen could be a cruel joke that someone who bought this toy and took it back is playing just isiant sound thinking.

No doubt I have offended you Enigma but the more you post the more doubt there is in your real agenda here.

Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by Enigma Publius

 

Also where in this picture does it insinuate child labor? The illustration is extremely vague and to my eyes doesn't look as if the child is working at all. So your basically reaching here. Even if you try to "blow the whistle" on this whole developement, whatever company this is from is going to have a field day tearing apart how flimsy the evidence is here. There's no written piece with this item at all and can clearly be chalked up to a misunderstanding. Not saying I'm not sympathetic for child labor but I'm just saying your case is about as solid as a wet paper bag.

Yes, it is circumstantial, it is flimsy, it is doubtable. That is why I voiced my worries to my mother about posting here, that is why I knew I would have to deal with someone like you sooner or later. Someone who not only doubts my story (that's understandable) but is demeaning and patronizing and impossible to have an intelligent discussion with. that's the third or fourth time I've answered your question about my mother, in different words every time. If you still don't get it I'll try REAL BIG LETTERS like you did, that might help.

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Well clearly you know so much about me, I don't need to address how I've helped people THATS THE POINT OF HELPING CREDIT ISN'T DO. Also my whole problem with you is you've totally blown this topic out of proportion because of your clearly esentric nature "O I couldn't sleep at night if I knew I could somehow help the "little girl" that drew this picture". Freaking come on, this is such a fabrication of the truth and you've clearly blown it out of proportion for some sort of benefit. Again if you really cared you wouldn't need a second opinion, like many a poster have already told you. So clearly theres no "getting" to you and I'm done with it, good luck with your paper thin case!!!!!!! Mail me the results when the judge and everyone else call you a lunatic and laugh you out of court!

P.S. You can't have an intelligent conversation when the one originally asking the question isn't intelligent to begin with. Again CASE Closed!

P.S.S. I'm so confident your case is so absolutely awful that I'll take the case against you with absolutely zero legal experience. Easy goings when there's a 100% victory rate.


[edit on 9-11-2009 by NoJoker13]

Originally posted by Battleline
reply to post by Enigma Publius

 

Well Enigma you aren't going to like this if you get so upset at others who have doubts.

You constantly brag about all the points you have on this post and how it gives YOU a sense of happiness.I know you said you would give them all up but you you keep bring them up.

"ATS has become so cynical and demeaning".In the next couple post after this one you are scolding posters for how they talk to you and the manner in witch they recommend courses of action.There verbage is there way of expressing them selves,who are you to scold them when they are trying to help.

"Be proud ,this is what OUR site is made for,at least things like this".This is all starting to sound like you are trying to teach ATS people a lesson.

The idea you would take this to a politician or judge when all Ive seen could be a cruel joke that someone who bought this toy and took it back is playing just isiant sound thinking.

No doubt I have offended you Enigma but the more you post the more doubt there is in your real agenda here.

that was not offensive at all, you stayed on topic, you made good points, you stayed civil and intelligent. You didn't resort to language that could be construed as crude. All I was trying to say was that I love this site. If you have visited other "truther" sites then you know the flaming that goes on there is exponentially (spelling?) worse.
I even made a post about this subject. One should understand that although everyone is entitled to whatever opinion they please, in the cases like this, where I wish to be taken seriously by a large audiece of different people, some who may be offended by crude language, I find it much more useful to leave my crude side behind and post in a civil way.
If I was doing this for selfish reasons, I would not care what kind of language was used.
But now, alas, this thread has become what I did not want, a debate that can go back and forth for days on end while leaving the real issue somewhere in the rubble.
Beyond your tunnel vision, there is a large community of users here who ARE offended by words like "screw" and "retarted" which have already been used in this thread. I just want people who doubt me to be intelligent about it, not juvenile.
You provided a good example of how to do that, and I gave you a star.

There's a message to you in that toy gun. Stop buying toy guns - aswell as real guns. Guns are made for killing, there's absolutely no reason for that kind of activity.

Instead of refusing to buy more guns from that particular store - or any store in fact - you are planning to go and buy the rest of the guns. OK, go on, but think for a while before you do.

Consumer votes with one's wallet. In the case you would go out and buy all of the guns, the signal you'd give to the store is to buy more these products, as they sell well.

Anyways, we all know how the production lines are like in 3rd world countries, one of the best solutions that the small people could do, is to refuse of buying all kind of crap they are offering. Of course it is sad that the conditions are such, but we cannot change them by crying and complaining - action is only choice.

Just to lighten up a little bit, I find it scary that whole family is reading ATS - hi granma

Sincerely,

-v

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I know nothing about you, that's why I asked you directly instead of just making an assumption. Anyway, I'm glad we are done so that the thread can go back to being what it was made for.
I have a lot of folks who feel the same as I do, and believe it or not, we really are concerned here.
Disregarding the meaning behind the drawing, the drawing DOES exist and it was in the factory sealed product. That tells me it was placed in there by a child. That leads to the obvious conclusion that at the very least, a child was present when it was being packaged.
Makes more sense to me that a kid drew it and put it in there as a worker than the idea that a factory in China would allow someone to bring their kid to work. We don't allow that here, but maybe it was "bring you child to work day"...it's possible. but not likely, that's all I am getting at.
I still believe that a girl made this, a girl who works on either packaging the product or making the product or both. That is enough to make me feel guilty if I just ignore it.
I am sorry you don't understand that, and even find it laughable. But I'm glad we have agreed to disagree and the thread can now continue.

Originally posted by v01i0
There's a message to you in that toy gun. Stop buying toy guns - aswell as real guns. Guns are made for killing, there's absolutely no reason for that kind of activity.

Instead of refusing to buy more guns from that particular store - or any store in fact - you are planning to go and buy the rest of the guns. OK, go on, but think for a while before you do.

Consumer votes with one's wallet. In the case you would go out and buy all of the guns, the signal you'd give to the store is to buy more these products, as they sell well.

Anyways, we all know how the production lines are like in 3rd world countries, one of the best solutions that the small people could do, is to refuse of buying all kind of crap they are offering. Of course it is sad that the conditions are such, but we cannot change them by crying and complaining - action is only choice.

Just to lighten up a little bit, I find it scary that whole family is reading ATS - hi granma

Sincerely,

-v

I am a gun supporter. I own a couple. I enjoy shooting things. I don't hunt, but I love shooting bottles and cans and stuff that goes boom. So the only thing my guns kill is coke bottles and boredom.
As for the family thing, my ma is an old school conspiracy theorist, she was around when the Kennedy assassanation happened. She uses this site for topics I generally don't have any interest in: Religion.
It's a broad site with something for everyone, and it's rare that our threads and posts collide like they did here. In this case she was present for the event at hand, so there ya go.
Anyway, thanks for staying civil in your post, that's a breath of fresh air. Also, I'd like to avoid this becoming a gun control thread or what have you if we can help it.
Only reason I stated my gun views was because you said I should stop buying them... I like guns. That's all.

[edit on 10-11-2009 by Enigma Publius]

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It is a free world (well, ahem, maybe it is), so you can do as you like, buy guns and shoot things. But I hope that you'd see where the tracks goes even if you personally don't kill things.

I am sorry. I would stay and chat little longer but I really have to rush for a lecture. Maybe I will post later on the night if I get time.

In the end, regardless of your viewpoint to the guns, try to think objectively - unless you already haven't - the impact of buying those products and the consumer voting with wallet, which I know is almost a cliche - but still...

Sincerely,

-v

Originally posted by v01i0
reply to post by Enigma Publius

 

It is a free world (well, ahem, maybe it is), so you can do as you like, buy guns and shoot things. But I hope that you'd see where the tracks goes even if you personally don't kill things.

I am sorry. I would stay and chat little longer but I really have to rush for a lecture. Maybe I will post later on the night if I get time.

In the end, regardless of your viewpoint to the guns, try to think objectively - unless you already haven't - the impact of buying those products and the consumer voting with wallet, which I know is almost a cliche - but still...

Sincerely,

-v

yes, that's a valid point about voting with your wallet. I don't know if you mean just buying products that come from sketchy sources or simply guns though. But I assume you mean buying from questionable sources only helps support them and their actions even more. I agree with that part 100%.
The problem is, my son earns his money, and unless it's obviously a sketchy source, I don't know how to steer him away from it all the time. It's like he pointed out, if I only let him buy american, that takes out 95% of his choices.
It's a problem, and I do not know the soulution. But I do agree that I need to figure out a way to research better eho I am giving my money to. That's the main lesson I have learned here.
I gave you a star for putting it into better words than I have.

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you didn't get the meaning of my post as you purposely didn't quote that part of the post explaining the real meaning of the words you've quote.

you're dealing with something structural, normal and accepted since decades that we individual legitimize every single minute spent in commercial centers.

it's not about your local politician, it is about YOU changing your habits to make the sweat shop redundant.

Originally posted by seekingxu
the chinese character in the pic actually means "FART" ,doesn't mean urine at all,it could be a just a naughty kid drawing something completely meaningless, don't humiliate yourself by making a fuss.

Yes, it does mean fart....good work !!!!!

Now I really think the whole thing was a joke.

www.nciku.com...

My advice is only support, but here it is.

People could give you 100 different logical reasons not to do what you feel is right. The world is full of those people who only get to live in the first place because of other peoples selfless efforts. Never expect them to "get it". They are followers not leaders, they are not inventors, just users.

Do the best you can simply because you feel it is right, and you can. You have to live with yourself, not these other people.

The worst that can happen is your Son is taught a lesson that if he wishes to change the world. He will make enemies.

just saw the picture. can't say i'm convinced man. i'm sure you found it in the toy. it just doesn't look as bad as it sounds. just be careful, you don't want to blow the whistle on something that isn't really going on.

If what you say is true...wow.

People using children for the sake of profit...

That's crazy. Definitely do something about it. Tell the news, local or national, don't matter. The poor girl is probably abused at the factory she works at or is pulling a prank. There are two sides to this story you know, and we, even you, don't know the full scope of it yet.

Enough with the self congratulating amateur dramatics. Even the use of the term 'whistle blower' is overdone...
It's enough to contact one of the organisations mentioned re the find and see what they think.
But if the op really does want to martyr themselves, yes by all means, making unfounded public accusations about a retailer, is definitely the way to go.

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Your FABRICATION of the truth and the RESONABLE DOUBT because you opened the package equals your shotty story against whatever legal team these people have. Like I said I'm on ATS mail me when you get some results.

Also anyone else actually trying to contribute to this thread? Because the last four pages have been pretty much saying what I've been saying. Other then the guy who just said don't buy guns in general. Again good luck your gonna need a miracle.

Don't forget to mail me those results!!