I need help being a whistle blower, to make sure I get results

I also agree with the... Negative people out there.

There has been a lot that stands out about your points.

Your initial discription of the picture vs what it actually shows. The toy gun itself, what is this cardboard insert?

The best investigations that are done require money and time (mainly money because of the length of time and the careful preparation that goes into this). However If I were you I wouldn't even bother. Do you realize how young kids have few teeth? The kid is smiling, but kids themselves would put a sad face in a picture if they had that feeling inside.

My best bet for you is spend a little of your own time researching this. Where did you buy the toy. Where was it made? When was it made? Any serial numbers on the packing (most assembly lines have them). Should you find anything that justifies your belief that this is indeed Child "slavery" - i mean basically... right? If you find something... then report again. Take the evidence to a higher power. You yourself will not succeed in bringing down a crime boss (if there even is one).

Government and Crime have been at it for thousands of years (maybe even millions of years if we are actualy decendants of an older race of beings). You will not bring them down, especially not in this corrupt world. I suggest do more material research, dont waste your money... If you find something more contact people. Just dont go all nuts because you have an opinion of something and a personal belief that you will end cruelty that probably isnt evening happening (atleast not related to the gun at hand).

Good LUCK

Interesting story... until I saw the drawing. Where's the production line? I see a happy smiling face, what might or might not be a sprinkle of urine. (It could be anything really). I see a teddy scribbled out at the side, and a few letters that could be initials, name, anything at all. It might even say PEE, we all know kids like to have fun doing crude drawings. Well I do. Many's the time my kids would draw people or animals with a lump of excrement behind them. It's a crude infantile joke I know, but they had a laugh doing it.

Maybe it happened like this. Mum's still at work, kids go to meet her, boss let's them in the factory, mum hands them a pen and says, "here. behave yourself for five minutes, draw on this," Then scribbled cardboard gets used as packaging for toy gun.

Taking action sounds great!

But what I never get from this kind of 'sudden actions' is the surprise....didn't you know misery like this was happening before you saw the picture?

Did you never 'get the picture' before?

Where have you been? And you are a parent?!

Not to rain on your parade...but I wasn't 'shocked' or had to cry about this...but maybe that is because I am from the Netherlands...and 'we' already know of the misery in specific places on earth.

I do not know were you're from...but 'a little crying girl in a factory'...very old news! Actually it is a shame you just became shocked. Probably the shoes you wear are manufactured in a similar factory somewhere in China, but who cares? They were cheap, now let's go to McDonalds, I am hungry!

Nevertheless....better late then never. This is just a tip of the misery-iceberg.

So prepare yourself as good as possible, 'blow this whistle'! and please keep us here at ATS posted...

the chinese character in the pic actually means "FART" ,doesn't mean urine at all,it could be a just a naughty kid drawing something completely meaningless, don't humiliate yourself by making a fuss.

I must say, I do not think the picture was drawn by a child. I also think it depicts the birth of a child and not some one urinating them self. Iwould say there are a lot of unanswered questions. I believe the OP is telling the truth, because of all the scrutiny of the media with potential hoaxes he might want to avoid public embarrassment. Is this newsworthy? Probably not. The majority of people are quite aware of conditions over there, but they just do not care. We are hooked on cheap import consumer goods and the big box retailers that carry them. As far as trying to find goods that are not produced in China. Good luck....

Haha, it's just a funny drawing made by some kid. It's completely meaningless and harmless.

Originally posted by boredsilly
LOL Brillant really, I take my hat off to the artist! Demonise the 'evil' Chinese empire yet again this time with a small 'child' treated so badly she can't even go to the toilet ... Oh the emotion, oh the cruelity, those evil commy bastards.

Think you idiots, if only for a second!!! She can't do a pee but with pen and paper in hand shes got more then enough time to draw a picture. What do you think happens with all this poo poo and pee then ? It just hangs around on the floor all day? Perhaps someone at the end of day goes around mopping it all up. Wake up people!

I told you that it was a child's drawing, what did you expect? And they don't allow bathroom breaks, doesn't mean she wouldn't have time to scribble this real quick. Also, it is an insert, when you see the rest of the photos you will be more convinced I think, you will see how clever it was.
Quuit calling people idiots, it's against T&C and it makes you look ignorant, we want to avoid that here. Go to a different site if you want to do middle-school type debate tactics.

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Originally posted by seekingxu
the chinese character in the pic actually means "FART" ,doesn't mean urine at all,it could be a just a naughty kid drawing something completely meaningless, don't humiliate yourself by making a fuss.

can you source this so I know you are telling the truth??

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I never said I was shocked. Also I am kind of eccentric, I said it was worth a million tears, not mine. I was saddened, but not surprised. Also, I buy New Balance shoes because unlike Nike they gurantee they are not made by child labor.

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I never said I was shocked. Also I am kind of eccentric, I said it was worth a million tears, not mine. I was saddened, but not surprised. Also, I buy New Balance shoes because unlike Nike they gurantee they are not made by child labor.

Originally posted by wigit
Interesting story... until I saw the drawing. Where's the production line? I see a happy smiling face, what might or might not be a sprinkle of urine. (It could be anything really). I see a teddy scribbled out at the side, and a few letters that could be initials, name, anything at all. It might even say PEE, we all know kids like to have fun doing crude drawings. Well I do. Many's the time my kids would draw people or animals with a lump of excrement behind them. It's a crude infantile joke I know, but they had a laugh doing it.

Maybe it happened like this. Mum's still at work, kids go to meet her, boss let's them in the factory, mum hands them a pen and says, "here. behave yourself for five minutes, draw on this," Then scribbled cardboard gets used as packaging for toy gun.

quite possible scenario. But it looks more like a puddle or a crossed out baby to me now. Maybe she had a child taken from her, that would explain why she drew a line from her mouth to the crossed out baby, trying to tell us what she is trying to say.

Originally posted by moocowman
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Perhaps the lesson to be learned here is, when we give our children guns we should pay a little extra for them and ensure they are made locally.

If we can't buy a gun for our child that has not been made in another country, perhaps we should reconsider buying a gun at all.


What exactly is so difficult in that ?

BecAUSE AS MY SON POINTED OUT, most of the cooler toys are not made in America. If we only buy American, his options are limited.

Originally posted by dnvrliz
Why does the picture have to be drawn by a little girl??? I draw really lousy and I could have very well drawn this picture.
Also, I dont think the picture represents a puddle of PEE it looks more like a person showing that they gave birth and if you look closely it has a line that is connected from the baby to the girl, maybe meaning it was the girls baby.
How was this insert even in the package ? is it possible that someone could have drawn this and then put the gun and insert back in the package?
I dont think that a person/girl would write the word PEE either. Did she know it would be sent to the USA and how could she have learned this word?
Too many unknowns here.

I would like to see exactly how the gun was wrapped.

I'll show pictures of exactly how it was packaged, and no it wouuld not be possible what you suggest, you will see.
I am just still trying to figure out how to cover my butt, I can't afford a lawyer. But VERY soon, I will show the rest.
Also, I am coming around to thinking it might be a birth. Looks like a baby, that got scratched out. Doesn't China hqave very tough brth laws?

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Originally posted by Enigma Publius

Originally posted by seekingxu
the chinese character in the pic actually means "FART" ,doesn't mean urine at all,it could be a just a naughty kid drawing something completely meaningless, don't humiliate yourself by making a fuss.

can you source this so I know you are telling the truth??

just look up" fart" in any English-Chinese dictionary online, you will see that character "屁", being a chinese I know there's a lot to blame on chinese government and current labor situation in China,but certainly not this case.

Originally posted by tristar
So what is the latest update to this story.

After skimming through the various posts, i wonder if you actually took the time to handle the paper with protective gloves as to not contaminate the item in question. ?

As far as forming your own profile of the image, i would suggest leaving that to people who actually do this for a living. I also urge you to request legal advice as this could back fire resulting in a multimillion dollar legal battle against yourself.

Exercise extreme caution when dealing with giants in the consumer industry.

we were excited, and confused, not thinkng of fingerprints. That's why I am going bacck today in the afternoon to buy more and record the opening of them.

Originally posted by Ecidemon
Firstly, you might want to choose your words more carefully.

Initially you said "Inside the toy gun" which turned into "A cardboard insert inside the box." I don't have to point out that inside the toy and inside the box are two very different things. At first you indicated it was "inside the gun" which turned out to be a cardboard insert. As someone who works at a law firm, this mixing of details or words can prove very detrimental.

Secondly, the picture is open to complete interpretation. For example, what do you figure that 'thing' is on the right side? Why the smile? Why why why is what I see quite a bit of in this picture.

Thirdly, you seem to have some preconceived notions. What if this toy was made in, say, Canada? I wonder what your interpretation of it would have been. You said yourself, "I've heard that...", you have already formed an opinion prior to receive the toy, and whether you like it or not, it turned into a "this must be..." scenario.

Lastly, I'm not judging anything I see here, including you. I'm not saying you're wrong or right, I'm not saying the picture was drawn by the maker of said toy or not. I'm simply making unbiased observations that are not affected by the emotions that have made some of the replies in this post.

Whatever you choose to do, make sure it's very solid.

Regards,

It's an insert that goes inside the gun, inside the box.

You will see whenI post the full pics, both statements were true.

Originally posted by Bspiracy
after seeing the picture, I also have a disagreement with the assessment of what it means.
Urinating?. I don't see a semblance of a puddle, or the look of interpreted liquid which leads me to believe the OP's reaction is media driven...


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You have to understand the feeling of opening the box and seeing a message from ACROSS the world. Like a message in a bottle. I am asking advice, it's not media driven. I feel like there's no coincidences in this world, I try to believe things happen for a reason. So I feel compelled to do something, even if it's just showing all the pics on here, I just don't want to get sued, so actually I'm afraid to use the media.

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There are 2 different types of immunity, transactional and use, but neither can be granted by a tv station. The station can protect a source, but not grant immunity.
My advice, based on 34 years of being a lawyer (and this is "comon sense" advice and not legal advice, is topick the most upstanding witness you can find for the opening of the new pic. Video it.
Where was the toy made? Governments are slowly becoing more sensative to this sort of exposure. Contact the head of the opposition party.
Oh, BTW, mere possession of that pic could be considered possession of child porn by some overzealous apperatchnik. Be Careful.
Watch out for Bulgarians with Polonium umbrellas.

Look I am no psychiatrist or anything but Enigma Publius uses a alot of ," like I said, the points don't matter to me." phrases for somebody who isn't making this story up. Post the photos the media would surely notice.

Originally posted by seekingxu

Originally posted by Enigma Publius

Originally posted by seekingxu
the chinese character in the pic actually means "FART" ,doesn't mean urine at all,it could be a just a naughty kid drawing something completely meaningless, don't humiliate yourself by making a fuss.

can you source this so I know you are telling the truth??

just look up" fart" in any English-Chinese dictionary online, you will see that character "屁", being a chinese I know there's a lot to blame on chinese government and current labor situation in China,but certainly not this case.

Indeed. Thank you! I was hoping someone would have more knowledge on this. This appears to be solved, so when I get back this afternoon, I will post the rest of the promised pics.
I can't argue with your assessment at all, you seem to have brought this to an intelligent conclusion.
"FART" good lord.
At least I can laugh at myself. And now I can sleep better also!
star for xu!