World’s third largest ice store vanishing!

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According to wiki, the average temperature has risen over the past "century," compared to the 2000 years before that. This is pretty good proof of global warming, as it encompasses the Earth's cooling and warming cycles, which revolve in decades.

Also, out of 180+ nations, all but one country signed the Kyoto Protocol, which calls for a reduction in the greenhouse gases emissions. Guess which country that was that didn't sign?

So either we must assume that the U.S is wrong, or the rest of the countries are, hmm...

It's actually quite amazing if you think about it. The U.S is like the big kid who likes to bully people around. Too bad he also has all the guns, so no one can do anything about it.

(from the HadCRUT3 Land- and Sea-Surface dataset)






Linear Regression Statistics
Y = b1X + b0


Number of Years 127
Slope (b1) 0.006441
Intercept (b0) -12.657191
Explained Variance, R2 (%) 72.56
F-value 330.581338
Degrees of Freedom 125



Linear Regression Statistics
Y = b1X + b0


Number of Years 127
Slope (b1) 0.006527
Intercept (b0) -12.721907
Explained Variance, R2 (%) 60.01
F-value 187.565074
Degrees of Freedom 125


the temperature has been increasing at a steady rate from the late 1800's

depending on which method you use, the data changes. the problem with global warming proponents is that they only show you data which adds to the faux validity of thier argument.



in the above image, explain what caused the co2 emissions 120000 years ago? i guess atlantis? itsa natural cycle...



here is another image but a little clearer. it shows temperature and co2 for the last 400,000 years. notice that we are right on track for what would be happening even if we didnt have cars...

for gods sake people, you are letting them feed you the malarky that cow farts are causing global warming too! i want you to REALLY think about that statement.



notice how the image above would lead you to believe that there has been a human caused drastic increase in co2. but it is an incomplete data, that is it does not show enough information to chow the cycle. it only shows enough to get thier POV across. its misdirection and misleading.


above is another image of co2 and temperatures taken from greenlands ice cores going back far enough to show the full picture. it confirms a peak at 120000 years ago...

About 1,000 years ago average temperatures were about 1 degree higher than today (which makes our concern about an 0.4 degree rise since 1980 rather minor).

About 2,100 years ago average temperatures were about 2 degrees higher than today.

About 3,300 years ago average temperatures were about 3 degrees higher than today. (The data from Greenland ice-cores goes back far beyond this time so despite what some people say, it looks like it takes a lot more than 3 degrees to melt the ice cap!)

For almost all of the last 4,000 years temperatures have been higher than today. More precisely, apart from a brief period 1200 years ago, it is only the last 750 years that have been at or below current temperatures. On this evidence it is more reasonable to assume that warmer weather is the natural condition - in so far as we can claim any stability or consistency in something that is constantly changing.

above is an image and text showing temperatures going back 4000 years...the earth was actually WARMER than today several thousand years ago, before jesus walked the earth, and certainly before any modern human advancements could have possibly been the cause of the temperature increase.


BUT i am SURE that despite all of this evidence, there will be people out there that REFUSE to eat the evidence that global warming is NATURAL and EXPECTED.

like i said, i plan on laughing my hind end off when in 30 years they are selling "climate heaters" to you gullable types because "global cooling" is threatening our posterity.

Originally posted by np6888
reply to post by wx4caster

 

According to wiki, the average temperature has risen over the past "century," compared to the 2000 years before that. This is pretty good proof of global warming, as it encompasses the Earth's cooling and warming cycles, which revolve in decades.

Also, out of 180+ nations, all but one country signed the Kyoto Protocol, which calls for a reduction in the greenhouse gases emissions. Guess which country that was that didn't sign?

So either we must assume that the U.S is wrong, or the rest of the countries are, hmm...

It's actually quite amazing if you think about it. The U.S is like the big kid who likes to bully people around. Too bad he also has all the guns, so no one can do anything about it.

you have loaded my weapon in your first few words... "according to wiki"

nuff said

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Not sure if you know, loam, but the same problems are also building for certain areas of south america. Bolivia being a good example.

Scientists in Bolivia say that one of the country's most famous glaciers has almost disappeared as a result of climate change.

The Chacaltaya glacier, 5,300m (17,400 ft) up in the Andes, used to be the world's highest ski run.

But it has been reduced to just a few small pieces of ice.

Many Bolivians on the highland plains, and in two cities, depend on the melting of the glaciers for their water supply during the dry season.

The team of Bolivian scientists started measuring the Chacaltaya glacier in the 1990s. Not long ago they were predicting that it would survive until 2015.

But now it seems, the glacier has melted at a much faster rate than they expected.
Photos taken in the last two weeks show that all that is left of the majestic glacier, which is thought to be 18,000 years old, are a few lumps of ice near the top.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Mod Edit: Removed threat.

[edit on 9-11-2009 by Gemwolf]

reply to post by melatonin


resist urge to laugh myself to death at ignorance

see my post above with data from ice cores dating back beyong the shallow few decades that global warming fear mongerers are showing you.

if we humans were still throwing sticks at each other and walking everywhere we went the glaciers would still be melting.

reply to post by wx4caster


So you're saying that wiki and the other 180 countries are all conspirators?

Originally posted by np6888
reply to post by wx4caster

 

So you're saying that wiki and the other 180 countries are all conspirators?

no i am saying that anyone can edit wiki, and i am saying that the 180 countries are playing to the same fiddle that everyone who believes in global warming.

its just like the stock market. i can show you a graph of a particular stock and its rise over the last ten years, and that it is at a peak and going to continue to rise based on that slope, it would appear that the stock is safe and steady. you would certainly consider that i healthy investment. but if i showed you a complete history and you seen that from 1950 the stock has had a steady cycle of rise and fall, and that it was at its peak, you would not want to go near that stock with a ten foot pole.

global warming is a tool. it is a way for countries to create a conforming fear among populace and a way to usher in carbon taxes that generate more revenue for governments.

i am not saying that all 180 countries are conspirators that know global warming is false and that they are simply trying to get paid, but i am saying there are governments that DO know that it is a cycle.

anyone can do a search and get RAW data going back further than a few decades or even a few centuries and the big picture starts to emerge.

look... i am not saying that the earth is NOT generally warming. i AM saying that it is natural, and that no matter what measures we take, even stopping ALL industrial pollution and car usage, the earth will continue to warm, at a steady rate. and then it will cool, at a steady rate. thousands of years from now, or maybe hundreds (the earth is a finiky creature in that regard) there will be a time when the earth is COOLER, even one could say COLDER. and the glaciers that we are morning the death of now will return.

reply to post by melatonin


Your anger really sells the case. If you understand how CO2 emission is to blame for global warming than please explain. Break it down DR. Global Warming PHD.

reply to post by smarteye


Check my previous posts. I'm sure I would have explained it 10^4 times for people on here, just in a more appropriate thread.

Click here for more information.

reply to post by wx4caster


seoblackhat.com...

According to this picture, in order for global warming to "coincide" with nature(and not man-made), the year we're living in would have to be on the up slope, above 0 C. However, we can see that the up slope is right before the year 0, which means that right now, we are part of the down slope, below 0 C. This does not "fit" with the 4th picture down from this wiki link, which shows that the temperature after 1950 is increasing, above 0.

en.wikipedia.org...

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Some good videos here:


And here is a presentation by a guy who ACTUALLY went there and recorded it!
www.ted.com...

reply to post by np6888


1, the image has no reviewable data set, and is accompanied by the following text

For the purposes of this comparison, the author is agnostic as to which, if any, of the reconstructions of global mean temperature is an accurate reflection of temperature fluctuations during the last 2000 years. However, since this plot is a fair representation of the range of reconstructions appearing in the published scientific literature, it is likely that such reconstructions, accurate or not, will play a significant role in the ongoing discussions of global climate change and global warming.

which is basically saying that the author doesnt really know if its accurate but they are gonna use it anyway... that is right on line with much of what is being tossed around the global warming community, which coincidentaly is decreasing in population when it comes to scientists as more and more data has become available over the last ten years.

2, that chart goes back over the last 1000 years. we are talking a cycle that goes over 10s of thousands of years, and cannot be acurately depicted over such a short amount of time.


also, accompanying that picture is the chart showing holocene temperature swings over the last 12000 years which actually shows that temperatures were higher 2 and 3 thousand years ago, before "co2 emmisions"

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And how can we be sure YOUR data is right?

Guys. Please focus on the topic and not on each other. If you have to resort to insults to make your point, I suggest you rather not post at all.

Civility and Decorum are expected

reply to post by np6888


i am not saying that my data is more correct than yours, i am saying it is more complete because it includes a larger set of information.

yes the earth is warming. yes there is climaet change. it is a fact.

i am arguing the point that humans have little to no effect on it.

and while climate change can cause a gradual change in weather patterns through the moderation of source region air masses. But please do not buy into the hype that humans are destroying the climate and that we are all evil and should stop driving cars. that is simply not going to stop it.

As everyone can see, the real scientists use a large collection of data. The others use the data that verifies their point.

Al, is that you out there?