At Least 7 Dead, 12 Wounded in Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas

from an eyewitness account--

www.motherjones.com...
''After he shot the female police officer he was fumbling his reload and I saw the other police officer around the corner and yelled at him to come shoot the shooter. He did. Then I used my belt as a tourniquet on the female officer.''

I thought the female police officer shot the gunman. Are they giving her the 'Jessica Lynch' treatment?


Also, is it just my imagination, or does this guy bare a passing resemblance to John Doe no. 2 of OKC bombing fame?

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
When people experience loss, they turn to religion.

Well I saw some ufos and the whole gods in the sky thing suddenly made sense. Been a Christian ever since.

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
At the end of the day it boils down to this.

When people experience loss, they turn to religion.

When crazy people turn to religion, they feel justified to do whatever they "feel God wants them to".

A Cult is a Cult.

No, in Islam it is mandatory. Islam is not like Christianity. And Islam is not plural.

You do of course realize that what you are insisting is Mandatory in Islam that 1.6 billion of them in fact are not doing.

That the few extremists who do are not acting on the other 1.6 billion people in Islam behalfs. Those few extremists are doing these things themselves.

Just like the Jewish extremist that killed Prime Minitster Yitzhak Rabin of Israel in 1995.

He wasn't acting on behalf of the millions of Jews who mourned Mr. Rabin's tragic death, yet his assassin imagined he was acting on their behalf.

See how that works?



[edit on 7/11/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by JJay55
This is for all you anti-Americans.
"Officials Begin Putting Shooting Pieces Together,"...

I'm so confused now. WHO were you addressing, and WHAT was the point of this post? It helps if you put in some explanatory material in along with the quoted material, something to explain what your point is and how this supports it. In cases like this, any point you might be trying to make is vague, and could be misconstrued.

I KNOW you didn't direct that anti-American bit at the likes of me. I've already offered to match pedigrees with you, and note that so far you have not accepted the challenge.

[edit on 2009/11/7 by nenothtu]

I think there are two forces converging. I think the "blow back" of US foreign policy is much to blame for these extremist incidents on US soil. "We" all are now on radical Islamic radar as "infidels". Moderate or should I say moderated Muslims lived here for decades without incident. They came here if they had the financial ability to escape their controlling extremist brethren. It was not until our foreign policy chased the radical elements through our open borders that we experienced these types of attacks. Did this major's family flee from fundamentalist Islam or a war zone? I would guess so but I don't know, what is the story there?

Anyway, I happened to catch an interview with this major's uncle or some male relative from the "old country" on the news this morning. He seemed rather "Westernized" and not wearing traditional robes. He was also being interviewed by a non-veiled western woman. Yet, this relative chastised the major for not being fluent in or able to read the Koran in Arabic. He put down his mother for not wearing a veil. It was easy to see how this major was at odds with his family, faith and his good fortune at being American.

But of all the things pressuring this man it was the religion that offered him this extreme response to his dilemma. He was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. The religion lied telling him he would be blessed and not damned if he did this.

He might have wound up here due to intrusive US foreign policy but that does not excuse his action. That does not excuse the moderates around him that knew what he was about. After all, many of them came here to escape this very type. I heard comments from other Muslims that knew and were interviewed about this man; "He was always seeking to become a better Muslim". When I heard these comments I immediately thought that was double-speak for "We knew he was leaning fundamentalist and we did not try to dissuade him." Why would they? They had nothing to fear from America. They had nothing to fear from Allah because despite his words in the book nothing had ever happened. They did have plenty to fear from a fundamentalist that they did not kowtow to. They had seen this act before in the "old country". There are more like him here. You can change foreign policy going forward but you can't ignore the extremist presence and their permissive rule book in the now.

[edit on 7-11-2009 by Hemisphere]

They are now saying that the shooting happened in one location--

www.statesman.com...
3:56 PM
At a press conference on the post, Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said the people were killed in one incident at the soldier readiness facility.... The shootings occurred in one place on the base, and did not spread to other areas as had previously been reported.

www.cnn.com...
The incident took place at the sports dome, now known as the soldier readiness area[aka soldier readiness processing center, aka Soldier Rating and Processing center, aka the SRP site], the station reported. [That complex is on the West side of post, off Battalion Avenue]


But early accounts pointed to a number of discrete events happening in different places--

www.abovetopsecret.com...
pg28 The local radio and eye witnesses also reported shootings at 4 other locations in the area. .... None of this is being covered nationally.[poster uncivilcivilian]

www.msnbc.msn.com...
.... according to NBC News affiliate KCEN in Waco, ... the person was holed up in building 42006 on the base...

www.kdhnews.com...
Fort Hood officials have reported a shooting at the barracks by Howze Theater on Old Ironside and 41st Street

www.cnn.com...
Arrest of a suspect at a golf course 2.5 miles from the attack, shortly after attack

www.CentralTexasNow.com...
As of 4:32 eastern, the warning sirens have started again. There are reports of gunfire again in one of the neighborhoods on post.

forum.prisonplanet.com...
no. 70
Additional shots were reported at a soldier's residence, KCEN-TV reported around 4:30pm

blogs.news.com.au...
KCEN-TV in Waco is reporting that police have surrounded the PX at Fort Hood.

forum.prisonplanet.com...
no.195
There are reports this afternoon that there are one or more shooters at a PX (Post Exchange) at Fort Hood

forum.prisonplanet.com...
no.556
...the IRN announcement on GCN yesterday. A girl who wanted only to be identified as "tiffany" said that shots were being fired from THREE locations. She mentioned the places but I only remember her saying the PBX was one of the locations.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
--Not sure if it's an actual troop or not, but a call just came into the local PD that a man with a gun & fatigues is at the Dollar Store. SWAT & units from the base are being mobilized.[poster thomasblackraven]

www.telegraph.co.uk...
One gunman was caught quickly but the second went on the run and was cornered by SWAT teams in a traumatic brain injury unit on the base where a gun battle erupted

www.abovetopsecret.com...
pg 32 [poster uncivilcivilian]
--Why is there no news coverage of the shootings at the Clear Creek PX, Liberty Village, and Comanche Village?


One shooter? I don't think so.

Originally posted by starviego
But early accounts pointed to a number of discrete events happening in different places--

Exactly. "Earlier accounts". Accounts when things were confused and people really weren't sure what was going on and were just trying to get info out to the people that needed it.

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Yeah, just last week there were Christians killing people because the bible told them to. And the week before that. And so on.
And of course no muslims followed the Koran and killed anyone because they are so peaceful. Let's embrace them and welcome them into out homes and give them our 12 year old daughters.

Actually JJay I was checking CNN.com one morning back on September 20th and found out that Muslims were celebrating Eid. Eid is like Christmas, Thanksgiving, and New Years all roled into one for them. In fact it is New Years for the Hebrew and Muslim Religions.

The article on CNN described what the holiday was about in short, as being three days of feasting and celebrating family and friends, distant relatives and friends, and sharing even with complete strangers so that no one would go without being able to feast with friends no matter how poor they were.

What struck me though is that in the article it said that many Muslims in America felt sad on Eid here because it's not celebrated in a universal way and they couldn't express the same kind of communal comidity and joy.

The thought of sad people makes me sad, so I made a list of every Muslim I could think of and set out to wish them Happy Eid with a gift of fruit and nuts for them.

I started a thread on it here on ATS

Celebrating Muslim Eid as an Ambassador of Good Will

I shared my experiences there in the thread. I was a little bit nervous at how Muslims might react to an Ameircan Anglo Saxon wishing them Happy Eid.

There faces all lit up and they all were thrilled that I knew it was Eid and actually thought of them and brought them something to celebrate Eid. I got a lot of really awesome home made cookies and pastries in return that I had never had before that were truly delicious.

A number of people who found the thread here on ATS in places as far away as Australia decided to try it too and were warmly welcomed into homes of neighbors that they had barely spoken with and forged new and much more meaningful relationships with them in the process and were loaded up with gifts in return.

Most amazing of all when one of them confided that it was an American White Anglo Saxon Protestant that had come up with the idea the Muslims in Australia that White Anglo Saxon Protestant told that it was an American's idea were flabergasted.

An American came up with that idea? It was perhaps the best Eid present many of them had, being welcomed, being embraced, being accepted and being able to celebrate what was near and dear to them with people who weren't Muslim but wanted to share with them because we are all neighbors.

No one got beheaded or kidnapped for ransom JJay! They got cookies, and pastries, and meats and other gifts often many times more from many more people than they brought gifts of their own for.

At the same time I was celebrating Eid for the first time, I was celebrating Jewish New Years for the first time and wishing all the Jews on the streets and in the stores on their way to Temple and celebrations Happy New Year.

They too were all thrilled that someone who wasn't a Jew was celebrating their Holiday in a friendly way. Likewise none of them attempted to sell my organs or bomb my home!

You seem determined to let a few bad apples spoil the whole bushell JJay, why is that?





[edit on 7/11/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by Hemisphere

Hemisphere, I don't know why this SOB's parents didn't stay home, and I really don't care. They flee the misery of Islam, and then bring it over here. You're probably right in assuming a bit of blowback from our overseas adventures.

We tried to ignore the many attacks on our embassies, our Marines in Lebanon, the Khobar Towers, and even the taking of our embassy by Iran that went on and on for over a year.

Yeah. Lots of Muslims probably aren't happy that we are fairly efficient at killing their fellow Muslims.

One cannot learn the nature of these turds by reading four or five translations of the Qur'an. One also must study the Hadith.

This is what the fundamentalists teach. This is their prophet they emulate. This is where one learns the true nature of basic Islam. To say otherwise is to be one dumb, unaware, stupid SOB.

We are so tolerant. So politically correct. We don't want to venture accurate descriptions because we certainly don't want to offend anyone.

BS.

If you can't call it like it is, then you're only deceiving yourself.

We're about to politically correct ourselves right into a national disaster.

I will say this: While I would prefer no attack on anyone happen, it is likely better that this happened where it did, or there would likely be scores more that would be dead.

These soldiers jumped right in there to mitigate bleeding, plug sucking chest wounds, and a five-foot woman took this brave, courageous, typical Islamic warrior down.

What a ****ing embarrassment to this typical Islamic warrior who dare not venture into a stand-up gunfight, and have to wade into unarmed men and women to have a chance.

Got beat by a woman!

Not some short-haired, tater-eating -cornfed hulk of a woman, but a petite, attractive woman.

The bravery and emergency medical skill of our soldiers prevented many more from dying.

And I hope this SOB fully recovers.

Love to personally feed him slowly through a wood chipper.





[edit on 7-11-2009 by dooper]

reply to post by dooper

The US has done nothing wrong here. The muslims are attacking every major power on planet Earth including China, Russia, UK, India, Spain. They have been on the attack for 1,400 years and this Holy War enabled them to take the whole of Persia, Iraq and Syria, turkey and some Balkans, all of North Africa and much of southern Russia. Please the US has done nothing here other than exist

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by dooper

 

The US has done nothing wrong here. The muslims are attacking every major power on planet Earth including China, Russia, UK, India, Spain. They have been on the attack for 1,400 years and this Holy War enabled them to take the whole of Persia, Iraq and Syria, turkey and some Balkans, all of North Africa and much of southern Russia. Please the US has done nothing here other than exist

This is incredibly true.

Eventually the world will wake up and destroy Islam. Perhaps all superstitions, I mean religions, at the same time.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by dooper

 

The US has done nothing wrong here. The muslims are attacking every major power on planet Earth including China, Russia, UK, India, Spain. They have been on the attack for 1,400 years and this Holy War enabled them to take the whole of Persia, Iraq and Syria, turkey and some Balkans, all of North Africa and much of southern Russia. Please the US has done nothing here other than exist

I fear this is exactly what is being manipulated to happen friend Hunka. I truly worry our governments are conspiring with one another to exploit the differences in religion to have the religious elliminate one another.

Sadly in some ways technology is reaching a point where many scientists feel that soon we will be accomplishing most ot what G-d has long been thought to have done through some divine inherent power of it's own.

The sad thing is that each religion is basically intollerant of the other and just as Christians argue over what the Bible means in the dozens of different sects that protest how the Holy Roman Catholic Church that wrote it defines it, Muslims and Jews too argue amongst themselves over what G-d really expects of them.

Each sect and each member of each sect is absolutely sure they are right in their own interpetation of what G-d wants and it does often lead to violance in all the sects amongst themselves and against the other branches on occassion too.

Amazingly most Muslims are just like most Christians and most Jews they only follow as much and believe as much that's convenient for their own life and lifestyle.

Yet here we are watching some members swear up and down that every Muslim lives and breaths every last obscure passage in a book that frankly a lot of them aren't even literate enough to read!

The problem is from both a scientific standpoint and a political standpoint these religious arguments are really holding us from moving forward as a singular race of human beings, and Presidents, Kings and Queens, Sultans and Prime Ministers alike are often beholden to their populations religious fervor.

Amazingly people arguing that we need to elliminate just Islam don't even see that they are in fact arguing for and racking up a much higher body count in the process and in fact actually doing what they imagine the Muslims are trying to do but really aren't!

In the meantime it's as if these people making these arguments to elliminate all Muslims don't think any Muslim could read English or might find that awful threatening to the point to make them think about just what kind of threat such people and their religion might make to them.

Ultimately it can't help but end up badly with all these types of 'believers' killing one another and us people who are agnostic or athiests along with them in the process.

Pretty scary if you ask my Hunka!

Pretty scary indeed.


This is incredibly true.

Eventually the world will wake up and destroy Islam. Perhaps all superstitions, I mean religions, at the same time.

[edit on 7/11/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by unicorn1

 

God..... People dont even know what weapon the Man used. And we are supposed top believe all this crap. The story goes from 2 shooters to 3. And then from 3 to only one. In the beginning he used a M-16 and now its handguns.

Right!!! this is just great news to believe in.





[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

Yeah, I've been talking about that too.

And don't forget that the killer was gunned down by the authorities, but now is just injured.

reply to post by JJay55


So did the same apply to Mike Tyson? He had a boxing match with another muslim.

Originally posted by EMPIRE
reply to post by JJay55

 

So did the same apply to Mike Tyson? He had a boxing match with another muslim.

What? What does this have to do with the topic. Or Islam?

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Yeah, just last week there were Christians killing people because the bible told them to. And the week before that. And so on.
And of course no muslims followed the Koran and killed anyone because they are so peaceful. Let's embrace them and welcome them into out homes and give them our 12 year old daughters.

One of the other things you might not be taking into account either JJay is that the Old Testament for the Hebrew Religion was written first, at a time when there were no Christians and no Muslims.

Then the Holy Roman Bible, written for Christians with some choice passages as to why G-d might have been a little upset over some of the things that the Hebrews had done that in part led to Christianity building on Judaism but was a gospel that the Jews themselves didn't agree with and accept because it added elements like Christ that the Jews do not believe was the son of their G-d.

However at the time that Rome wrote the Holy Bible the third branch of the same basic religion worshiping the same G-d hadn't been invented yet.

There was no Islam or Muslim religion for Rome to write anything in the Bible against.

Just like when Christianity started Islam added some new elements to the original Hebrew Religion when Islam formed as a third and final branch it took some elements of Judaism and some elements of Christianity and added some more of their own and changed some of the elements of the Old Testament and New Testament in creating the Quran.

It was possible for Muslims to be critical of Christians and Jews alike in their texts and to reject some of their texts because both Judaism and Christianity already existed.

It wasn't possible for the Holy Roman Bible to reject parts of Islam or be critical of it when it was written because there was no Islam yet to be critical of.

However once there was an Islam, Rome wasted no time along with predominately Christian Europe in fighting 3 different Holy Crusades against Islam ordered by and blessed by Rome.

The fighting raged on literally for centuries as Jerusalem was won and lost over again.

Was it written into the Holy Roman Bible to fight against Islam? No there was no Islam when the Bible was written.

Did Christians waste any time violently opposing Islam once it became yet another distinct branch of the religious worship of the very same G-d? No they sure didn't.

Now think about it real hard JJay to you really believe that there is not one soldier in the United States Army that didn't join for the expressed purpose of fighting Muslims?

Do you really believe that not one member of our Armed Services has not joined our military for the reason to kill Muslims as a Christian? That those people who might have done just that have killed no Muslims in Afghanistan or Iraq?

Christians persecuted the Jews for thousands of years by the way for not being Christian JJay including the Spanish Inquisition, Pogroms and other atrocities committed against Jews all with the Pope's orders and Blessings.

I don't think you are really objectively or critically looking at the relation the history of these three religions have at fighting against one another and rejecting one another in equally murderous ways.

What this Army Major is aledged to have done is terribly wrong but wanting to hold 1.6 billion other people responsible for it?

Yeah, he just snapped. Heh.
"Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.
Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother's funeral was held there in May that year.

The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations."

Oh the poor muslims
"The thuggish Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is playing the mainstream media like an accordion today, knowing that no reporter will ever dare ask them why they're condemning yesterday's jihad attack while opposing every anti-terror measure that has ever come down the pike, and smearing and defaming those who are trying to stand up for freedom against Islamic supremacism.

CAIR, an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas funding case, has claimed that "anti-Muslim hate crimes" have risen sharply in the U.S. since 9/11. In fact, the rate of such crimes has actually dropped. CAIR knows well that victimhood is big business: insofar as they can claim protected victim status for Muslims in the U.S., they can deflect unwanted scrutiny and any critical examination of how jihadists use Islamic texts and teachings to justify violence and supremacism.

That's most likely why CAIR and others have not hesitated to stoop even to fabricating "hate crimes." They want and need hate crimes against Muslims, because they can use them for political points and as weapons to intimidate people into remaining silent about the jihad threat."

reply to post by JJay55


link?

Your quoting from a source, can you link it to us so that we can check it out?

Main stream Islam has condemned these attacks.

www.reuters.com...

CAIR calls shootings cowardly and inexcusable

WASHINGTON, Nov. 5 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A prominent national Muslim
civil rights and advocacy group tonight condemned an attack on Fort Hood
military base in Texas that left at least 12 people dead.

In a statement, the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations
(CAIR) said:

"We condemn this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that
the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law. No political or
religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate
violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the
all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our
fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere
condolences to the families of those killed or injured."

Along with innumerable condemnations of terror, CAIR has in the past launched
an online anti-terror petition drive called "Not in the Name of Islam,"
initiated a television public service announcement (PSA) campaign against
religious extremism and coordinated a "fatwa," or Islamic religious ruling,
against terrorism and extremism.

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