So let me get this straight: The Pentagon has video tapes of the Boeing hitting their own building..

Originally posted by benoni

....are my favourite snaps of the Pentacon before it collapsed.....

..... Riiiiight...and the PENTAGON is the same size, and the same type of structure as the WTC towers.....

If you want to make a clear, concise, and intelligent argument, you guys really need to think through what you are claiming.

Originally posted by benoni
Note the dead bodies, the gallons of blood, the massive fuselage, the enormous amount of debris as well as the massive gaping hole in the wall caused by the plane as it impacted......see the suitcases and cargo strewn on the unusually untouched lawn...note the typical carnage and horrific damage, as is common at all plane crash sites..

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See the same you ask for in the above picture of an Iranian passenger plane that "desintegrated on impact, and see the green lawn that is around the crash site...green lawn?...how can that be possible?...

www.cnn.com...

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Look above...even MORE GREEN GRASS?.... that must be it...there is a conspiracy, that plane didn't crash, it must have been a hologram...

Let's compare it to another photo of the Pentagon crash...

Originally posted by benoni

Also take note of the massive gash in the wall caused by the plane impacting at some totally ridiculous speed....

I wonder what the size of the engine that opened that hole was?...oh wait, we have had several photos showing the "engine" that caused that hole...

Originally posted by benoni
Pay no attention to the unbroken windows surrounding the impact site,covered in foam, the electrical spools awkwardly situated in front of the impact site,or that seemingly indestructible lawn without a scratch on it....they mean nothing....

Yeah.....pay no attention that the PENTAGON doesn't have regular windows, and instead they have....BLAST RESISTANT WINDOWS... I wonder what blast resistant windows are supposed to do?.... But having BLAST RESISTANT windows means ALL windows will be intact after the crash of a PASSENGER plane?.... of course not...

Originally posted by benoni
Then, after it had caused all that chaos,the plane passed through the Pentacon and plopped out of the other side, causing the horrific devestation seen below...

Phew, oh yeah I forgot, the plane shrunk, there is no way that hole was made by an engine, which btw was found inside the area where that hole was made...

Originally posted by benoni

See.....clear as mud....

Who needs video???
...............

Yep, must be thinking as clear as mud not to see what happened...

Anyway, you guys keep "thinking" whatever you want to think. It will probably be the same 20 years down the road no matter what.

There are more than enough real conspiracies to wrap our minds around, and there is no need to make things up.

Instead when you make things up about some wild conspiracy that has no shred of evidence but instead things are made up, then the "real" conspiracies suffer and are put in the "loon" bin.

But, I guess I must be a "government goon" for puting together 1+1=2

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
............
Oh what's that?

National Security?

That's what I thought.

It is obvious you ARE NOT thinking...

But keep trying to claim the P.E.N.T.A.G.O.N. is a "regular building just like a 7-11"......

I mean C'MON...people can get videos of 7-11s...why not get videos of the P.E.N.T.A.G.O.N.?.....

After all, they are the same type of building to some people....

BTW, the WTC DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE....hummm.... guess you have got to be a genius to figure out that there is no need for national security, or any other form of security involved about the videos of a building that DOESN'T EXIST anymore....

But is the PENTAGON down?... or is the PENTAGON still standing?.... hummm...If it is still standing, why do they need to have any security about it heh?... I wonder why.....

[edit on 6-11-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Why don't you quote the other part of my post and make the same reply...

We can let CNN film the Pentagon after it got hit, but we can't show the film of when it got hit?

Yea... Great National Security Theory you have there....




Basically you are admitting to yourself that you are worse than a conspiracy theorist that is asking a Good Question... You are like a cheap lawyer, that will defend the accused when the best piece of evidence has been hidden by the defendant himself. All the defendant has to do is release the evidence to prove his innocence.

You want the videos to stay hidden because the enemy will get knowledge from it?

If that's the case then we have no National Security...


I can look at the Pentagon on Google Maps right now.... but some how releasing a video tape of the Boeing hitting the Pentagon is going to destroy everything?


Who am i talking to?

reply to post by Doomsday 2029


I've seen a 3D animation of the Pentagon strike, however I can't remember where..if I find it I'll post a link. But they Only use the Body of a large commercial aircraft as the projectile and Do Not account for Wings or Engines, which I found quite interesting.

A lot of strange things happened that day, the laws of Physics were suspended, along with Probability..unfortunately We will never know the truth, It's Not part of The Plan..

Originally posted by GenRadek
As for the videos confiscated by the FBI, the 85 videos? Yes, those have already been released.
www.flight77.info...
I would recommend you read through the tapes.

I just went to the site and not one of those 85 videos shows actual footage of something impacting the pentagon. Please don't tell me such a video does not exist because common sense dictates it does! In fact there must be hundreds of such videos, either from the pentagon, a nearby bussiness or someone recording it with their cell phone/camcorder.

Here is what I think. 99% of the pentagon surveillance cameras intentionally malfunctioned at that crucial point and one or two videos that have actual footage where taken to nwo headquarters as proof of *mission accomplished*. 100% of all bussiness surveillance videos from the surrounding area were confiscated, then edited out and finally returned to their owners. People who happened to be in the area to film the impact footage are too scared to post it on the internet because they feel very threatened...in fact I would too if I had such footage. It doesn't take a nasa rocket scientist to figure that out.

Go ahead and call me crazy now. You have my permission. Yes the world we live in is stranger than science fiction and all the circumstantial evidence presented on ats and other conspiracy sites leaves little doubt about that!

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

posted by Doomsday 2029
This was the most painful post I've ever read on ATS.

That seriously hurt my eyes.

posted by ElectricUniverse

Maybe you should check first of all what the PENTAGON is..

Yes, there are conspiracies, and then there are wild claims that make no sense.....

Yes there are wild claims, and you have authored more than your share just on this thread alone.

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posted by benoni
Then, after it had caused all that chaos,the plane passed through the Pentacon and plopped out of the other side, causing the horrific devestation seen below...

posted by ElectricUniverse

Phew, oh yeah I forgot, the plane shrunk, there is no way that hole was made by an engine, which btw was found inside the area where that hole was made...

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Oh really? A jet engine was found out in the A&E Drive?

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Then why is the newest official cause of the Exit Hole now a focused cone of energy from the alleged exploding jet fuel inside the Pentagon?

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Mind showing me the jet engine in these photos?

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Gee I wonder why they marked the Voice and Data Recorder positions on this official diagram, but not your jet engine which made the Exit Hole?

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It seems some people will say anything in their efforts to cover up the truth....

Wheres that engine you mentioned electricuniverse...??

Shame on you....

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Instead when you make things up about some wild conspiracy that has no shred of evidence but instead things are made up, then the "real" conspiracies suffer and are put in the "loon" bin.

Like your OS?

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029

Why don't you quote the other part of my post and make the same reply...

We can let CNN film the Pentagon after it got hit, but we can't show the film of when it got hit?

Yea... Great National Security Theory you have there....

For crying out loud...CNN does not have cameras filming the security of the Pentagon daily....

BTW, this is no "theory" this is a "fact", big difference...

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029

Basically you are admitting to yourself that you are worse than a conspiracy theorist that is asking a Good Question... You are like a cheap lawyer, that will defend the accused when the best piece of evidence has been hidden by the defendant himself. All the defendant has to do is release the evidence to prove his innocence.

What?....what in the world are you talking about?.... the only people who are like "cheap lawyers" are those like you who have no intelligent argument for your wild claims...

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029

You want the videos to stay hidden because the enemy will get knowledge from it?

If that's the case then we have no National Security...

You just contradicted yourself, and it is amazing that you can't see it.... So because the videos of the PENTAGON are not being released, we have no "National Security"?....

You better read, and re-read what you type, because it is obvious you are not making any sense...

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
I can look at the Pentagon on Google Maps right now.... but some how releasing a video tape of the Boeing hitting the Pentagon is going to destroy everything?

Is the google "photo" showing the areas that are filmed, and those that aren't, as well as the times when people move in and out?....

You really need to learn what "security" means, because it seems you are not even aware of it's meaning...

a "PHOTO" from HIGH above the Pentagon doesn't say much about security...but the cameras that are used daily as part of the security of the Pentagon is a different issue... If you can't see that, it is obvious this is nothing more than an absurd obssession of people like you...

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
Who am i talking to?

This is 007...watch out for my Chuck Norris alike round kick...



[edit on 9-11-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by benoni
It seems some people will say anything in their efforts to cover up the truth....

Wheres that engine you mentioned electricuniverse...??

Shame on you....

Wow...no...the shame is on you, more so for making a claim that you seem to be ignorant about...

All you have to do is use google, and type in "engine inside Pentagon".... This is what you get...








Photos taken from.
www.aerospaceweb.org...

BTW, do read the information on the link above, it shows facts regarding the destroyed engine found inside the Pentagon, which caused the hole.

Shame on you for not denying ignorance...

[edit on 9-11-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

anyone ever thought that it might have something to do with the eway the building is constructed on the inside. how thick the concrete is, metal.. etc

or the office layout, like a v.i.p room..

or maybe they were storing something there, maybe there is weapons/aircraft/alien aircrat/escape pod/ aliens...

dont flame me, just a few ideas to throw in.

also it migh have exposed underneath the pentagon, like a secret tunnel(might lead right to the Presidents office..) or secret storage facility(also linked to the tunnels.)

[edit on 9-11-2009 by MR BOB]

So you would rather not see the tapes huh?

okay.

Yea... Thank God The Pentagon didn't show those tapes to the public because it could give away the location of the surveillance cameras.

We certainly don't want Al Queda to have that information because it could lead to another 9/11.

I mean... after all... It's impossible to change the location of our surveillance cameras... Even though many of those cameras can be seen with the naked eye. And we certainly don't want to release the tapes that the Citgo station had recorded... Oh MY GOD!!!, if we did that it will give away so much secret security information that our Pentagon has.

I'm done talking to you.

you make no sense

You want the tapes to remain top secret and concealed for ever.

I guess when you have a $40 Billion Dollar defense system,.. the location of a few surveillance cameras could make it all entirely worthless.



Either way... I'm fine with the tapes not being released too, because I know what the world will see... They will see that they have been lied to.

And I'm not ready for Russia, China, and the UN to come liberate us of from tyrannical government just yet... Because if the truth does get exposed, and I believe that will eventually happen... expect WWIII to follow shortly afterward.

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Wow...you keep making excuses, and now you claim "oh they can change the areas where the cameras are located"..... it is not like we are also in an economic crisis, and thousand of Americans have been losing jobs, so lets waste more money on a hoax....

The only one not making sense is you..

This claim is similar to the one where some people claimed that because the rubble, and bodies of the people who died in 9/11 were recovered quickly, this shows it is a conspiracy....

These people wanted to have the dead bodies, and even possibly people who could have been trapped alive to be left like that just so such people could examine themselves the wreckage....

The people that were trapped would have died, and the dead bodies would have cause mayor disease in New York city within two to three days....

But of course these sort of people don't care about that...just like you don't care, and you keep making excuses that "they should release the Pentagon videos...."

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I don't care what you say regardless of how many times u say it. The collapsed section of the Pentagon was smaller than the total wingspan of the plane. There was no other damage visible. A Boeing did not hit the Pentagon.

reply to post by Doomsday 2029


They played on Fox News a couple of times. They were taken from a security camera placed in the parking lot what looked like the position to catch people trying to avoid paying for parking.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
All you have to do is use google, and type in "engine inside Pentagon".... This is what you get...

If those photos show the engine which created the 'punch out' hole, why are they shown inside the building, and out the front of the building respectively?

Surely if something was going to punch through an external wall, you'd find it outside the hole it created?

Is that as far as the guys could drag it once they found it, and ascertained that it was what caused the 'punch out' hole? Surely they should have left it in place to be photographed, being part of the largest crime scene in United States' history?

Rewey

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Hey Electric, what about the OTHER engine??? Why was only 1 found???

There was about 100 tonnes of aluminum and titanium steel alloy unaccounted for at the Pentagon. Did it all just vapourise in the intense jet fuel fires that left behind 177+ bodies to be identified???

9 wheel hubs, landing gear, heavy tungsten counterweight ballasts, wing spars, huge vertical stabiliser-rudder, turbine disks as well as blade, vane and casing fragments, oh and and the missing engine. Where did it all go? and why was the 'other' evidence whisked away without proper forensic examination, much like the steel in the towers???

There are photos that show government officials combing the untouched lawn of the Pentagon just after the attack, Why? Why was the entire lawn then covered in hundreds of cubic yards of gravel rock a few days after???

The OS is exactly that, an official STORY. Why do you keep defending it when it has been proven to be deceitful???

Where is that 757 that hit the Pentagon again? and why can't they link Osama Bin Laden to the Sept 11 attacks???

Come now Electric, you have to remain objective in your search for truth.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
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See the same you ask for in the above picture of an Iranian passenger plane that "desintegrated on impact...

Isn't that a photo from Flight 93?

Oh, my mistake. There's plane parts in that photo...

Rewey

Originally posted by Rewey

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
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See the same you ask for in the above picture of an Iranian passenger plane that "desintegrated on impact...

Isn't that a photo from Flight 93?

Oh, my mistake. There's plane parts in that photo...

Rewey

Really? You see "plane parts"? I see twisted metal that could be from anything and anywhere. How do you know they are "plane parts"?