WAR: English Words and Western Voices Heard on Nick Berg Beheading Video

Well...

Like I said before, could be anything, also might want to get someone who speaks Russian, I've read on a couple of forums that those are Russian for "hurry up" or something to that effect...

But like I said before different people hear different things...

The Blade Runner I appreciate all the investigative work Val does. To me she is,,, a true scholar and deserves to be commended and not condemned.

That's why I come to the ATS to hear all sides,,, whether I like what I'm hearing or not! I'm just looking for the truth, like most of us here. Val keep up the excellent work girl


Instead of the C.I.A. involvement what do you think about the possibility of using Soldiers of Fortune? Got a lot in my neck of the woods and some don't seem all that bright.

Hmmm...

You know the more I listen to the audio, the more I think it could be a recording anomoly...

Before you start flaming...

There is another anomoly, at approx 11.6 seconds into the audio when Nick is talking between where says " I'm from Westchester" and "Pensylvania" ( where it gets garbled ) there is a 1.3 sec anomoly that sounds like "das englash" and "cool kid" (?), both sounds like the same voice that says "how we go" at the end...

Originally posted by RANT
Weird. On the full length tape I hear it plain as day...but the shortened bits are too distorted (perhaps tweaked) for my laptop.

Same with me. I can't really pick tell what's being said at all on the new links SO provided, but I can hear it well on the original video, and other audio taken from the original.

I can't hear the third comment SO mentioned, either. I'll listen again.

Originally posted by Yoda
Hmmm...

You know the more I listen to the audio, the more I think it could be a recording anomoly...

Before you start flaming...

There is another anomoly, at approx 11.6 seconds into the audio when Nick is talking between where says " I'm from Westchester" and "Pensylvania" ( where it gets garbled ) there is a 1.3 sec anomoly that sounds like "das englash" and "cool kid" (?), both sounds like the same voice that says "how we go" at the end...

I took this anamoly a different way. To me, it sounds like the audio was re-recorded over itself and off slightly in timing, which caused an echo effect. But at the end of where they re-record, I think I can hear a female voice over a PA system...which would be a real good reason to try to dub over the original sound.

WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT Well... I'm almost sorry I did this... but some things are more clearly heard now. I discovered some saved filter-routines for the Mac OSX Audio Application, Sound Studio, designed to help improve the quality of upsampled audio files that have been previously compressed. Some aspects of the audio are a bit more clear now... hence the warning. The full audio has been enhanced and is available here: Enhanced MP3

I don't doubt the CIA could do this. The timing of this happening is all too suspiciius.

For those wondering if the CIA could put out such a tape with incriminating words. Just remember that the Pentagon released video of Bin Laden which then was shown to be a fake under analysis. The tape's crdibility was destroyed. Who faked it? Not Bin Laden, must be by someone, and for some reason, which just happen tyo back up the current propoganda against Bin Laden by the Pentagon.

With all due respect to those of you who hear the English phrases in the audio of Mr. Berg's beheading, I just don't hear it. I have listened to the audio again and again. I have downloaded all the different versions and enhancements that have been posted in the last couple of days. I have even used a number of different audio programs to play the files, and I still can't say that I am convinced that the sounds are irrefutably voices speaking English, let alone saying the phrases that have been suggested.

To me this is a similar to Electronic Voice Phenomenon (aka: EVP) in paranormal research. If your not familiar with EVP, the International Ghost Hunters Society defines it as follows: "Electronic Voice Phenomena is a process whereby the voice or voices of the dead are embedded onto magnetic recording tape by a process that we do not understand."

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that the sounds captured on the Nick Berg beheading tape were made by ghosts. I believe that they most definitely are human vocalizations.

My point is that many if not all EVPs are anomalous sounds which appear to be someone or something speaking English sounding phrases. However, EVP researchers although convinced that the sounds are in fact words and phrases have debates among themselves about what the phrases and words are.

Even in this case, different people who believe the sounds on the tape are English disagree with what is being said. Without some kind of professional analysis as to whether the sounds really match the audio signature of someone speaking the alleged phrases, how can we definitively say that's what it is?

To me the sounds on the beheading tape could be a number of things. I don't dispute what Valhall, Skeptic Overlord and others state they honestly hear. However, I do question the accuracy of the human ear, and the mind's perception of that sense. I would suggest that it is very possible that the sounds on the audio are nothing more than comments made in Arabic, somehow distorted to sound like the English phrases suggested.

Furthermore, without an in depth professional analysis of the anomalous sounds, it is impossible to definitely say that it is one or more people speaking the English phrases, and all that that would imply.


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This is quite disturbing. It makes me think that some CIA guys are just hanging out, making casual remarks, while they behead the guy.

For those of you who think that the CIA wouldn't make any mistakes as obvious as these, remember that this film came out right away after the Iraqi POW torture photos. They didn't waste any time and probably submitted it in a hurry. Look, I think the better question is, why hasn't the FBI/CIA investigated the possibility that Berg was killed within Abu Ghraib, surely they too would see these OBVIOUS clues. Since they act as if they don't notice, I'm assuming then that they must have had something to do with it.

Originally posted by Cypher
With all due respect to those of you who hear the English phrases in the audio of Mr. Berg's beheading, I just don't hear it. I have listened to the audio again and again. I have downloaded all the different versions and enhancements that have been posted in the last couple of days. I have even used a number of different audio programs to play the files, and I still can't say that I am convinced that the sounds are irrefutably voices speaking English, let alone saying the phrases that have been suggested.

To me this is a similar to Electronic Voice Phenomenon (aka: EVP) in paranormal research. If your not familiar with EVP, the International Ghost Hunters Society defines it as follows: "Electronic Voice Phenomena is a process whereby the voice or voices of the dead are embedded onto magnetic recording tape by a process that we do not understand."

So have I, ran it every way I could through Media Studio Pro, just can't verify 100% that it is English, let alone American, too many people hearing different things...

I had thought about EVP as well, does sound close...

I thought he mentioned EVP simply to show how things can be interpreted differently.

I heard, "That wasn't too bad" (possibly "thank you" ) & "How are we gonna".

I only listened to the end of the Enhanced MP3 that SkepticOverlord posted.

music playing in background: Iron Maiden - Paschendale

I think this is a sick joke. If anyone has seen "The Life of David Gale," then you'd know exactly what I'm talking about.

Oh the possibilities. Sick propaganda, but it gets the message through.

Originally posted by Bangin
I thought he mentioned EVP simply to show how things can be interpreted differently.

Ya let me clear that up, refer to post # 541803 where I started to think that it is a recording anomoly, no I don't think it is a ghost, but some other type of anomoly in recording...

Originally posted by Ocelot

Originally posted by Undomiel
Probably because it was viewed as paranoid conspiracy theory, at least enough to generate panic in people who are prone to believe just any little negative thing if it fits their worldview. Might be construed as jew-bashing, and that's not the mission of FOX News. Their mission is supposedly to get the truth out there, not to get the truth out there and encourage a holocaust.

What are you trying to say? That no news outlet should report NEWS Stories that are critical of what Israel does even it it's true because it could cause a backlash against Jews, while everytime a muslim arab does something bad it is front page news all over the world?

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LMAO......well Ocelot ....its pretty easy to guess why that fair and balanced network killed that story ......BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD TO BY THERE SLAVE MASTERS.!!!!

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Originally posted by Bangin
I only listened to the end of the Enhanced MP3 that SkepticOverlord posted.

Acually, I couldn't hear it as well in the "enhanced" version, as I could in the original.

Hmmm...

Mine was the oppisite, all I could hear in the original was "Thy will be done", in the enhanced I did, and in the others I listened to, I heard different phrases...

I think I heard the same thing. Definantly English sounding.

Might it not be a copy of the original audio catching two guys making the copy just talking over it? I'm just saying.

Yes, I'd be inclined to say that's exactly what it is, and that the "original" audio that first went out on the web was corrupted by the first people who distributed it.

As for the army cap, one thing you must keep in mind with many terrorists, is that many are basically animals, more akin to looting soldiers of old. The cap was likely a trophy to the terrorist sporting it, no doubt from the victim or another prisoner.

Originally posted by nathraq



I thought about that too. I'm no doctor, but wouldn't it be rather hard to saw through a person's neck? Wouldn't they have problems going through the spinal bones at the back of the neck? With a sword, I can see a clean cut, with weight an leverage involved. But with a buckknife?

Thats no buck knife that is one of the most feared edged weapons in the world used by nepalese and indian gurkhas .....its called a kukri

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