WAR: English Words and Western Voices Heard on Nick Berg Beheading Video

Ocelot,

Thanks for those links.
I was "standing-by"
They do seem a little non-diverse though.
However, I will read them.

Originally posted by Duke_Nukem

Although I'm not positive, from my viewing of the video, it seems to me that Nick is moving his lips while the document is being read.

Maybe he was praying before he was killed?

I didnt notice his lips moving. Maybe we should take a closer look to confirm this.

Originally posted by spacedoubt
They do seem a little non-diverse though.
However, I will read them.

Well the links related to the "claims" I made so of course they will be only related to that. However if you need some more reading material let me know.

You mentioned:

9/11 - THE ISRAELI SPY RING SCANDAL

I was reading it when it dawned on me that I don't know who any of the people are that are implicated. It dawned on me that the article was presenting the information as if the people who were being harmed is the US law enforcement (among others), especially regarding drug laws and espionage that was supposedly leaked by this israeli company. Now either the US law enforcement is part of the Zionist conspiracy thing or it isn't. This is part of the problem I find with conspiracy theories. They play hopscotch and boomerang way too much. They start off with a great premise, build their case, then pull stuff out that destroys other cases they have built in the past. Clearly this article just as much destroys the premise that americans are Zionist pigs, as it does to bolster the idea that israelis own the world.

Then are the huge gaps in information such as this "Odigo" phone call 2 hours before 9/11. Where's the evidence? The article itself needs to provide links to support itself, as it is just acting as a conspiracy gossip column as is.

The ODIGO Event on 9/11 was covered in the mainstream media by a couple of sources but it was quickly taken out of circulation. Some copies of the original stories do exist

Oh and BTW FOX NEWS was the original news outlet who broke the story on the Israeli Spy RIng SCANDAL, but for some reason they stopped reporting the whole thing and removed the original story from their website. Care to guess why?

Probably because it was viewed as paranoid conspiracy theory, at least enough to generate panic in people who are prone to believe just any little negative thing if it fits their worldview. Might be construed as jew-bashing, and that's not the mission of FOX News. Their mission is supposedly to get the truth out there, not to get the truth out there and encourage a holocaust.

Originally posted by Undomiel
Probably because it was viewed as paranoid conspiracy theory, at least enough to generate panic in people who are prone to believe just any little negative thing if it fits their worldview. Might be construed as jew-bashing, and that's not the mission of FOX News. Their mission is supposedly to get the truth out there, not to get the truth out there and encourage a holocaust.

What are you trying to say? That no news outlet should report NEWS Stories that are critical of what Israel does even it it's true because it could cause a backlash against Jews, while everytime a muslim arab does something bad it is front page news all over the world?

[Edited on 19-5-2004 by Ocelot]

Originally posted by Ocelot
This just reeks of Intelligence involement. I knew something was fishy with this since the moment I saw the first headlines appearing online.

I don't see the reliability of those sites you posted, "some" news in those links are taken from more reliable sources, but that doesn't make the links entirely reliable, just like I don't see Aztlan.net as reliable.

I am not saying the CIA is innocent, as they have been known to have done some shady businesses in the past, still to go from there to making a link to Berg and the CIA.... i still don't see the connection on any of the links you mention in the above excerpt.

[Edited on 19-5-2004 by Muaddib]

No, not specifically. Plenty of negative press occurs over israeli activities, especially those relating to the Palestinians. But if even a fraction of the evidence to support the israeli spy ring also requires hearsay, gossip, unsubstantiated reports and/or conjecture, then there's a philosophical ground to consider. Will it harm anyone? Will it generate hysteria in people who are prone to believe the conspiracy theories about things like the priory of sion? Will it feed white supremacy agenda? You know, not everyone is a conspiracy theorist but there is enough of them out there to cause concern and indicate the necessity for responsible reporting.

Ok, these are just my thoughts... no links. If you think I may have said something true, research it... don't be lazy.

First, I believe the CIA could have easily done this tape, as amatuer as it seems. If the CIA was gonna put out something like this, you think they would use high-quality video editing? I can tell you this for sure: if this is CIA, they played smart and only used technology available to Al Queada. They probably got the most amatuer guy on the team to edit it... someone who might be familiar with editing, but had never really done it. Then they watch it and call it good, not noticing the hat or the voices (which were low enough, obviously, to miss).

I'm a graphic artist for a sign shop. I guarantee you, no matter how proffessional you are, you are gonna let something pass eventually. I'll proof something over and over, then give it to my boss to proof. Never fails, after it's all said and done the customer will come back with a complaint (not always... we don't let much get by us, lol). Last week my boss made up a graphic file for me to cut. I proofed it, cut the aluminum plates, cut the vynil and applied it and packaged them all up. The customer is the one who caught the mistake:

A Valid Photo ID
Must Be Presented With
With Each Transaction

That was about 2 hours of looking at the thing for me, and about an hour looking at it for my boss.
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I keep seeing stuff being pointed out by other sites... the chair. Yes, that damned white plastic chair! Yep, the one that you could buy at any number of stores across the world. The chair that looks just like my neighbor's chair! Oh, and the color of the walls... etc, yeah.

If it were filmed in the prison (ironically, the prison that he worked near?) that only means US invilvement of some sort. They keep using the chair as evidence, but you can't. Sry. The color of the walls and floor can be, though... unless it's a common color. I'm at a loss on this evidence. None stands up by itself, but altogether it points to the execution happenning in the prison.

Now, if the mass media started covering this topic, they would have to send in forsenic investigators to try to find the blood. Not a problem... until they have guns at their heads telling them to NOT find anything.

And if media DID cover this and everything got uncovered, you know there would be an instant civil riot on american soil... then they would have to declare marshall law and start hauling most of ATS's members off to concentration camps. So, ask you why the major medias won't cover a story like this?
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As far as motivation goes (assuming this is CIA or whatever, USGOV...), I'll just restate what was said earlier:

Prison sex scandal => piss off the islamic nations
Beheading => Piss off christian nations

Now, you have 2 completely upset and aggro factions getting ready to do battle. Yay. Sounds just like textbook preparation for NWO. We get into this huge war, 'they' start sending terrorists to American soil, and all of us truthseekers get hauled off. Sadly, my friend D has been telling me about all these scenarios since right after high school (we're both 28 now).

Besides Above Black, read Behold a Pale Horse... the guy tells you everything that is happenning now (not like he fortold it... just that this is how certain things get implemented by the government... secret wars, wars to distract from other wars, etc).

This is a bit nitpicky but that's not actually his hat. All you get to see is the side of his arm, his elbow and his pinky finger or thumb holding something, presumably something that requires his other fingers to be on the other side of the object, underneath it, or out of the line of sight(such as a camera).

[Edited on 19-5-2004 by Undomiel]

[Edited on 19-5-2004 by Undomiel]

AYE!

There's nothing solid in the audio.
Play the tail-end to someone who hasn't been TOLD
what is being said, see what they come up with.
One person I know heard "aluminum"?
The results will vary upon the ears that hear it.
Same as a person will see patterns in random shapes,
You will try to piece together fragments of sound so
they make sense to your brain, usually in you own language.


It's NON-News worthy.

Originally posted by spacedoubt


It's NON-News worthy.

True dat. This piece of audio cannot definitively be said to be American-sounding, or even English by anyone posting here, unless some one happens to be an audio expert and/or maybe a linguistics expert or something. Even then, it's in no way conclusive.

The hat idea was already debunked, this was pretty good debunking by Vahal, looking at it it does look more like the thumb of someone's hand than a head.

I'm not an expert, and I could be very wrong, but I notice the following.

1. These men adjust their stance by shifting onto one leg and moving the other out to the side, widening their stance. I see sloppy enlisted men do that sometimes, but I never noticed it in a civilian. Civilians tend to shift onto one leg and bend the other, as if they wanted to take a step.

2. The one on the far left puts his hands behind his back. Many civilians feel vulnerable in this posture and do not naturally assume it. Military men sometimes develop a habit of standing at ease or "modified parade rest".

3. The one on the far right is not used to his weapon. He can't find a comfortable place to hold it and he eventually slings it behind his back.

4. Look at the really rigid guy, second from the left. His boots are bloused. (his trousers leg is rolled up and strapped around the top of his boot). The guy to his left does too, but only on one leg I think (those things come loose all the time though- very annoying).

5. These guys are paranoid about their masks covering every inch of their face, especially the ones on the right.

6. The reader in the middle isn't wearing the same type of hood. it looks like a ski mask. My question: is there any significance to the masks that are usually worn during these things? Is there a prescribed color/style, or is it stictly a matter of making sure the CIA doesn't kill you?

7. I'm mediocre when it comes to my studies of automatic weapons, but I'm pretty sure the guy on the far right has an MP-5.

Now for who Berg was and who killed him and why. Even if the words are nothing, any scenario is still possible. Even if Israel has serious influence in the world, USA isn't necessarily ZOG- there are other ways they could hold sway but not totally be in control. Even if the USA is ZOG, actions can be taken by departments or individuals who aren't part of it. There are few absolutes.
A few of my favorite possibilities:
Israeli killed by CIA for trying to ZOG the new Iraqi government.
Israeli or American had death faked for safety after finishing counter-terrorist or Iraq occupation related mission.
Terrorist caught and turned by USA being killed by terrorists.

[Edited on 20-5-2004 by The Vagabond]

Salaam Aliekum Brother's and sisters,
I must say this freaked me out, i am just worndering if this could affect anyone??
Could this story be broadcasted to the world???

Val you rock!!!

Salaam

Guerilla

good job guys!!!!!
i knew this war we were dragged in from dubya wasnt a real one!!! but just a regulation one.

the news is shameful for showing things after they havent been solved or near looked into. heck, cnn is still talking about hearings etc. im sure they have other things that can actually contribute to our masses!

that white chair just gave it away.

It's really pretty simple. Those soldiers in the "Iraqi prisoner abuse" photographs all say the CIA ordered them to pose for and take the pictures, then congratulated and thanked them, and their commanding officer backs up their stories.

So the CIA concocts this "torture lite" scenario to cover the growing story that Iraqis are being horribly abused and tortured, raped, etcetera.

Nick Berg spent time in Israel just before going to Iraq, ostensibly learning Hebrew, Arabic and how to pass for Turkish. He was carrying a basket of different currencies and electronic surveillance equipment. He was linked to a "9/11 hijacker" through his college email address and was under investigation by the FBI. His cover was blown. The FBI has to stop looking for him but of course the entire FBI is not in on this, so they make him look dead instead. The FBI stops tailing dead people.

So once again we're hit with the double-whammy. A spy gets "disappeared" and we are all made to feel foolish for being outraged at the "torture lite" photographs, in light of this heinous "execution video".

Yawn.

Originally posted by spacedoubt
AYE!

There's nothing solid in the audio.
Play the tail-end to someone who hasn't been TOLD
what is being said, see what they come up with.
One person I know heard "aluminum"?
The results will vary upon the ears that hear it.
Same as a person will see patterns in random shapes,
You will try to piece together fragments of sound so
they make sense to your brain, usually in you own language.


It's NON-News worthy.

This is quite an interesting hypothesis you have here. Now can you explain how multiple people can hear the same thing without prompting or cajoling them in any way? I have to say this is a sad state of affairs when people ignore clear evidence in favor of a comfortable working hypothesis.

Can I ask, anyone reading this, if you think the Nick Berg video is not fraudulent, does that mean you hope that you are right and Nick Berg is dead? We who see the fraud know that Nick Berg is probably still alive. And we also know it wasn't necessary in any way to murder a man to create the ILLUSION of a murder. see: Hollywood

Make no mistake, though the editing seems clumsy and the video quality is obviously downsampled to make it poor, this is a VERY sophistocated fraud. Most people are used to jumps and starts between audio and video in RealPlayer or WMP. The VERY LOUD shrieking begins JUST as the most inexplicable edits happen, the audio track is NOTHING but distraction, and it WORKS. NOBODY even SEES those timestamps when they hear that canned HOWLING. And jiggling the camera and blurring the image to frame "clumsy" edits? This was no amateur putting this video together. The TECHNICAL aspects of it may be simplistic, but the PSYCHOLOGICAL techniques are VERY sophistocated.

Originally posted by Flinx
Oh my.....good work Valhall!

Did anyone see the stuff about the white plastic chair and the orange overalls on Aztlan?

www.aztlan.net...

Interesting....

Hey, take a look at the url above and look at the pictures of the guards walking a prisoner, note that one of the guards has a watch/bracelet on his left arm, now, look at the picture where Nick is being cut, note that the person doing the cutting has a watch/bracelet on his left arm also. It maybe something or it maybe nothing, but makes a person wonder.