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reply to post by Ha`la`tha

I love how people can look beyond the atrocities and still find blame elsewhere.

I agree.
I don't think i BELONG ON A FORUM THAT SYMPATHIZES WITH PEOPLE WHO COMMIT ATROCITIES LIKE THIS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER,

ALWAYS WITH THE EXCUSES,

ALWAYS MAKING EXCUSES FOR THE INEXCUSABLE.

sorry , CAPS

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Ha`la`tha

 

I love how people can look beyond the atrocities and still find blame elsewhere.

I agree.
I don't think i BELONG ON A FORUM THAT SYMPATHIZES WITH PEOPLE WHO COMMIT ATROCITIES LIKE THIS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER,

ALWAYS WITH THE EXCUSES,

ALWAYS MAKING EXCUSES FOR THE INEXCUSABLE.

sorry , CAPS

I have to agree. How can the original post topic be deflected so quickly without it first being addressed? Perhaps it's easier to deflect to a "safer" topic than to examine and discuss what's being shown and what might be behind it?

ETA: *no, I did not view any vids.*


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A list of Islamic terrorist attacks for the month of October
(taken from the "List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 2 Months" at www.thereligionofpeace.com...):

Date: City/Country Killed / Injured Description
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2009/10/28 (Pattani,Thailand) 1 / 0 Muslim radicals shoot a Buddhist motorcycle shop owner to death, then set fire to his body.

2009/10/28 (Peshawar, Pakistan) 105 / 200 Over one-hundred people - mostly women and children - are blown to bits by a massive car bomb blast at a busy market.

2009/10/28 (Pattani, Thailand) 3 / 0 Two Buddhists are among three civilians gunned down in separate Muslim drive-bys.

2009/10/28 (Kabul, Afghanistan) 9 / 9 Mujahideen force their way into a UN guesthouse, where they murder nine people, including six international workers.

2009/10/27 (Mohmand, Pakistan) 2 / 3 Religious extremists attack a police post, killing two officers.

2009/10/27 (Bajaur, Pakistan) 1 / 0 Taliban radicals shoot a man to death while he is sitting in his shop.

2009/10/27 (Baiji, Iraq) 1 / 0 Terrorists attack a bomb to a car which kills an 11-year-old boy trying to remove it.

2009/10/26 (Karbalah, Iraq) 4 / 12 A suicide bomber sends four souls to Allah.

2009/10/26 (Pattani, Thailand) 2 / 0 Dedicated Muslims gun down two Buddhist civilians looking for food.

2009/10/26 (Mosul, Iraq) 2 / 2 Mujahideen gunmen murder two civilians.

2009/10/25 (Merca, Somalia) 2 / 0 Two men are shot to death by al-Shabaab militants.

2009/10/25 (Dalea, Yemen) 2 / 3 Two local soldiers are gunned down in a suspected sectarian ambush.

2009/10/25 (Baghdad, Iraq) 160 / 540 Two massive car bombs take out one-hundred and sixty Iraqis standing near or in government buildings. The dead include 30 children at a day care center. The Islamic State of Iraq takes responsibility.

2009/10/24 (Pattani, Thailand) 1 / 0 Islamists gun down a farmer in his field.

2009/10/24 (Pattani, Thailand) 1 / 0 A Buddhist working as a janitor is shot to death by Muslim militants at a tea shop.

2009/10/24 (Tikrit, Iraq) 2 / 7 A suicide bomber takes out seven at a political headquarters.

2009/10/24 (Punjab, Pakistan) 1 / 0 A police officer is killed by a Fedayeen bomber.

2009/10/23 (Peshawar, Pakistan) 0 / 15 Islamists car bomb a restaurant, injuring fifteen people.

2009/10/23 (Kamra, Pakistan) 8 / 17 A Fedayeen pedels to paradise, taking eight others with him in the suicide blast outside an aeronautical complex.

2009/10/23 (South Waziristan, Pakistan)
18 / 6 Eighteen people in a wedding party, mostly children, perish in a horrific bombing attack on a minibus.

2009/10/23 (Pattani, Thailand) 1 / 0 A 29-year-old villager is shot in the head by Muslim militants.

2009/10/23 (Yala, Thailand) 2 / 1 Two men are murdered by Mujahideen gunmen, one in his home.

2009/10/23 (Pattani, Thailand) 1 / 0 A 23-year-old man is murdered by Islamic terrorists.

2009/10/23 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) 2 / 3 Islamic radicals bomb a family in their vehicle, killing two members.

2009/10/22 (Islamabad, Pakistan) 2 / 0 Talibanis assassinate a brigadier and his driver in broad daylight in the capital.

2009/10/22 (Nazran, Ingushetia) 1 / 2 Islamists kill the driver of a police vehicle with a roadside bomb.

2009/10/22 (Kabylia, Algeria) 7 / 2 Seven security personnel are cut down by automatic weapons at close range while they are riding a bus.

2009/10/22 (Yala, Thailand) 1 / 0 Muslim radicals shoot a man to death inside his home.

2009/10/22 (Mogadishu, Somalia) 18 / 60 Islamic militia mortar an airport, killing at least eighteen innocents.

2009/10/21 (Iskandariya, Iraq) 2 / 12 Jihadis bomb a livestock market, killing at least two attendees.

2009/10/21 (Mosul, Iraq) 2 / 0 A girl and her father are murdered by Muslim gunmen.

2009/10/21 (Bousef, Iraq) 2 / 0 A man and woman are gunned down by Sunni militants.

2009/10/21 (Kirkuk, Iraq) 2 / 1 A shopkeeper and journalist are killed in separate attacks.

2009/10/21 (Narathiwat, Thailand) 3 / 2 A woman is among three construction workers murdered by Mujahideen.

2009/10/21 (Patikul, Philippines) 1 / 2 Abu Sayyaf members plant a bomb near a water pipe which kills an inspector.

2009/10/21 (Narathiwat, Thailand) 2 / 0 Two men are gunned down by Islamic militants in separate attacks.

2009/10/20 (Peoria, AZ, USA) 0 / 2 A Muslim immigrant runs down his 20-year-old daughter with his car for being too 'Westernized.'
She and another woman are injured.

2009/10/20 (Narathiwat, Thailand) 1 / 0 Islamists shoot a 57-year-old man to death inside his construction shop.

2009/10/20 (Saqlawaiya, Iraq) 4 / 12 Four people are murdered when Mujahideen set off a car bomb at a gas station.

2009/10/20 (Mosul, Iraq) 2 / 0 Two men are kidnapped and murdered by Muslim terrorists.

2009/10/20 (Islamabad, Pakistan) 6 / 29 Two suicide bombers attack a women's university about a minute apart, leaving six students and staff dead.

2009/10/20 (Orakzai, Pakistan) 2 / 0 Two young police recruits are abducted and shot to death in captivity by hardliners.

2009/10/19 (Baghdad, Iraq) 4 / 13 Jihadis bomb a restaurant and a minibus, killing at least four innocents.

2009/10/19 (Galkayo, Somalia) 1 / 0 A Christian woman is murdered by Islamists inside her home for refusing to wear a veil.

2009/10/19 (Yala, Thailand) 0 / 28 Islamic militants set off a bomb at a packed market, injuring over two dozen.

2009/10/18 (Pisheen, Iran) 42 / 25 A suicidal Sunni from the 'Soldiers of God' group detonates in a gymnasium, slaughtering nearly fifty people.

2009/10/18 (Adhamiya, Iraq) 8 / 29 Mujahideen set off two bombs in commercial areas, sending eight civilians to Allah.

2009/10/18 (Mosul, Iraq) 1 / 5 Muslim gunmen take down a child in a drive-by.

2009/10/18 (Poonch, India) 1 / 0 A local soldier is murdered when terrorists plant a landmine in the road.

2009/10/18 (Baghdad, Iraq) 5 / 16 Five patrons at a cafe are blown to bits by a bomb planted on a motorcycle.

2009/10/18 (Attaleen, Egypt) 1 / 0 Muslims gun down a 61-year-old Christian whose son was dating a Muslim girl.

2009/10/17 (FATA, Pakistan) 3 / 6 Three local soldiers are killed in a bomb set by religious extremists.

2009/10/17 (Mosul, Iraq) 4 / 4 A child is among four people cut down by Islamic militants in separate attacks.

2009/10/17 (Falluja, Iraq) 4 / 10 Mujahideen set off a roadside bomb, killing four local security personnel.

2009/10/16 (Mogadishu, Somalia) 1 / 0 A young policeman is gunned down in an Islamist drive-by.

2009/10/16 (Tal Afar, Iraq) 15 / 70 A suicide bomber at a rival mosque yell's 'Allah Akbar', then opens up on worshippers with a machine-gun before detonating, leaving at least fifteen dead in the massacre.

2009/10/16 (Peshawar, Pakistan) 15 / 24 Two girls are among fifteen innocents incinerated by Fedayeen suicide bombers.

2009/10/16 (Mosul, Iraq) 1 / 0 A local soldier standing guard is murdered by a suicide bomber.

2009/10/15 (Lahore, Pakistan) 28 / 67 Shahid suicide attackers brutally assault two police academies, killing nearly thirty people.

2009/10/15 (Peshawar, Pakistan) 1 / 12 A 6-year-old child is blown apart by a remote-controlled car bomb along a city street.

2009/10/15 (Kohat, Pakistan) 11 / 16 Eleven people are murdered when a Fedayeen car bomber plows into a crowd.

2009/10/14 (Sherazi Mohalla, Pakistan) 1 / 0 A man is stabbed to death in front of his wife and child by his in-laws for marrying without permission.

2009/10/14 (Karbala, Iraq) 6 / 45 Sunni bombers strike three groups of praying Shias in separate attacks, leaving a half-dozen dead.

2009/10/14 (Zabul, Afghanistan) 2 / 6 Religious extremists kill two local soldiers with a roadside bomb.

2009/10/13 (Baquba, Iraq) 6 / 10 A Shahid detonates himself in a cafe, killing at least six others.

2009/10/13 (Mogadishu, Somalia) 4 / 11 Four people are killed when Hizbul Islam terrorists ambush government troops.

2009/10/12 (Alpuri, Pakistan) 41 / 45 A 12-year-old suicide bomber slaughters forty-one people at a crowded market.

2009/10/12 (Buhriz, Iraq) 4 / 5 Jihadi bombers take out four Iraqis in multiple attacks.

2009/10/12 (Abu Khamis, Iraq) 2 / 2 Terrorists target the mayor of a town with a bomb, killing two of his sons instead.

2009/10/12 (Quetta, Pakistan) 1 / 0 A Shia man is gunned down in a sectarian attack.

2009/10/11 (Ramadi, Iraq) 19 / 80 Three horrific bombings, one at a hospital, leave nineteen innocents dead.

2009/10/11 (Narathiwat, Thailand) 1 / 0 Muslim militants murder a 37-year-old civilian sitting in a tea shop.

2009/10/11 (Pattani, Thailand) 1 / 0 A cattle rancher is shot to death in his field by Religion of Peace gunmen.

2009/10/11 (Yala, Thailand) 1 / 0 A butcher on his way home is gunned down by Islamists.

2009/10/11 (Mosul, Iraq) 2 / 0 A university student is among two civilians murdered by the terror group, Islamic State of Iraq.

2009/10/10 (Rawalpindi, Pakistan) 9 / 0 Islamic militants storm a security headquarters, killing six officers in the siege and three more taken hostage.

2009/10/10 (Kunduz, Afghanistan) 1 / 0 A young policeman is murdered by Taliban bombers.

2009/10/10 (Khuzdar, Pakistan) 2 / 0 Suspected Islamists machine-gun two truck drivers to death.

2009/10/10 (Kismayo, Somalia) 25 / 41 Twenty-five people are killed when Hizbul Islam hard-liners attack their rivals.

2009/10/10 (Mogadishu, Somalia) 1 / 0 al-Shabaab militants shoot a man to death at a market.

2009/10/10 (Afgoye, Somalia) 1 / 0 A Hizbul Islam leader is gunned down by Islamic rivals.

2009/10/09 (Kabul, Afghanistan) 2 / 4 Two Polish soldiers assisting a road construction project are killed by Taliban bombers.

2009/10/09 (Grozny, Chechnya) 1 / 3 Islamic insurgents fire an RPG at a police post, killing one officer.

2009/10/09 (Saqlawiya, Iraq) 3 / 0 al-Qaeda bombers murder a cleric and two of his associates on their way home.
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2009/10/09 (Peshawar, Pakistan) 52 / 100 Over fifty i

So when you get stressed about not having the new iphone or about Starbucks messing up your caramel frappuccino. Remember it can be much, much worse.
You could live in a place where they do stuff like this daily. I thank God for the life I have with my family in this country. Thank you founding fathers!!!

reply to post by ADVISOR



Hello there,
I am a Muslim, and I would like to share my thoughts and facts regarding your post. I hope you find this info I wish to share with you, useful.

I and many other Muslims all over the world do not support these extreme fanatics who claim that their actions are taught and are part of the sharia law. This is nothing but lies and deception. They are nothing but extremely sick brainwashed fanatics, who mix their extreme ways of their culture with the religion. Islam is a complete way of life, not just a religion. It teaches peace, and guidance from the creator of the heavens and the earth.

ISLAM doesn't teach killing, nor violence, unless you are in the battle field with your enemy (like in a war). Which is only natural to fight back.

God said in numerous verses in the Quran, that whoever does wrong, will only harm himself, and could get punished depending on how bad the sin is. But if they repent, then He is most forgiving most merciful, and loves those who repent to him and ask for forgiveness.

It is essential to be merciful, forgiving and compromising in Islam. Just like how the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was.
These extremists don't seem to have mercy for these people to repent or give them another chance...
Whoever does injustice to anyone and doesn't fix it, they will pay for it.

God said in the Quran that: who ever kills a person unjustly, its as if he killed all of humanity. And whoever saves a person, its as if he saved all humanity. So can you imagine how bad the extremist's and murderers accounts will be on the day of judgment?

What everyone needs to Understand is, the population of practicing Muslims in the world totally out numbers the population of the extreme fanatic ones.
And we Muslims want the same thing as everyone else, which is to stop all acts of terrorism, and this is including all other non Muslim extremists and governments and gangs etc. (as we all know it)

Something you need to know if you already didn't. and I hope I don't come out as ''preaching'' to anyone, no. Because everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and ways. I'm simply sharing some info which some don't know, and is related to the topic.

The word - ISLAM means - Submission or surrendering to the will of the creator.

MUSLIM means - One who submits or surrenders to the will of the creator.
It doesn't mean if you are one who submits to the will of god, that you are perfect or an angel. Because Ive seen many Muslims doing bad things and ruining the real image of Islam..and im sure many others have seen this too..sad to say..

So don't judge the religion of Islam by the actions of some Muslims.
because Islam simply doesn't teach what they do.

We got bigger things to worry about in this world than those extremists. And they will get what they deserve sooner or later..

I hope you found the info I shared with you to be of good reference.
Thank you for reading,
peace to everyone

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Hard to argue with this. So.. now we have to consider a resolution. How should behavior/actions such as this be addressed?

Some would suggest that the only way to defeat an ideology is to remove the people that sustain its belief. In effect suggesting every person that subscribes to Islamic faith, every Arab, everyone who kills or has the intention to kill (which may include Gun owners) be put to death. This logic, through extrapolation could, eventually apply to each and everyone on this planet. So as to say, you can't beat an idea or belief, you can only remedy the consequences of the choices people make.

We also have to consider the fact that the act or acts of crime are synonymous to us all, excluding race, nationality and religion.

reply to post by yahya99

I and many other Muslims all over the world do not support these extreme fanatics who claim that their actions are taught and are part of the sharia law. This is nothing but lies and deception. They are nothing but extremely sick brainwashed fanatics, who mix their extreme ways of their culture with the religion. Islam is a complete way of life, not just a religion. It teaches peace, and guidance from the creator of the heavens and the earth.

Appreciate the info you provide. I, for one, have never believed that this was a Muslim thing. I always figured it was the usual 10% or so of bad apples that you would find in any group.


I hope these kind of people do get what they deserve.

reply to post by yahya99


Thank you for your post.

I hope people will consider the fact there are extremists in every group/religion/political affiliation/race/etc. This doesn't diminish the heinous act this post brings our attention to but things equally as horrific happen frequently all over the world... It could be said that it's Human Nature that people hate here as evil is far too difficult to singularly identify. To further explain this point; People are not born with the desire to commit crimes. People are a product of many things such as environment, peer and parental influence, life experience and personal perception.

That is the sort of thing that fundamentalist religious types do.

The churchy people here in the states do the same thing, except instead of taking your head they take your free will.

On a side note: anybody else got a craving for a good rare steak?

After reading through this thread, because it has jumped pages since I was last online. I must say, many members many perspectives.

To those who say the video is too much to be viewed, try and remember ATS was at the forefront when the Nick Berg and other beheading videos came about.

It was members of ATS and other online conspiracy sites, who were trying to find the answers of whether or not the videos were faked, because the theory was plausible.

As for personal sensibilties being hurt, you read the warning, you chose to continue. Some of you find this material offensive and it should be, other feel it ought to be known of because extemist religious zealots, nomatter what faith are still zealots.

Those accusing me of pushing a propaganda agenda, sure fine if it shuts you up and directs the discussion back on topic. Yes, I have an agenda of furthering public awareness.

Media of any form, from radio to television or published papers to this internet is all media with some ones propaganda.

But the atrocities are still real, no matter what label one decides to give it.

Piss and moan about how you don't agree with this material and go ahead and point the finger back at the USA for bombing. Misdirect as you wish, but it doesn't change reality for the rest of the world.

Want to know what would be happening if no one knew this kind of horror was occuring, nothing. Because obviously some peole would rather turn their backs and imagine it doesn't exist. Because if you can't see it is isnt real right....


Sorry buddy, I ripped your protective binky out from under you. But the boogy man is not going to be stopped because you are hiding under your blanket. The comfort too many people have taken for granted, of being safe in their homes and beds does not exist for the people of those other countries.

Also, it doesn't exist for certain Muslims in the USA. Like the lady whose husband chopped her head off! Linked to in my first post, it is not just overseas in some bass ackword third world country,

It happened here; Brutal Irony In New York Woman's Beheading - CBS News

Accuse me of proliferating propaganda, for my own agenda, which I admit is for pushing public awareness.

Fine, but do not make what is some thing it isn't. No matter where, or for what reasons, there is no excuse for the violent mutilation of another human as a form of punishment.

I am not trying to say the people in those videos are or were innocent, obviously they did some thing, but was treason or spying worth beheading them?

No, I am not saying the US Government us inffallable and innocent of any guilty crimes. I not saying the Military of the USA has never commited any war crimes, but we sure as hell are not baking Jews in the ovens.

You think Gitmo was horrible, take a trip with a CIA rendidtion team to Uzbekistan, and watch how the CIA sanctioned their prisoners to be boiled alive by Uzbek interrogators/torturers.

So no, I amnot just pushing a one sided agenda, to try and make the US look all goddamn rosy. NO, I have mentioned in previous posts on this thread US atrocities.

Again, the more people know as individuals, the more we as a whole will know.

You want to rant and rave about how horrable the US is, then at least get the right damn crime mentioned.

Because I for one am aware of the atrocities commited by Americans, and Gitmo or drone dropped bombs are the least of any ones concern.

Finally, thank you yes you the members who called me out because of what you beleive in. I am not offended and am proud of you for giving a damn enough to speak up.

But, as that is your opinion, so it is for the others here and myself who may have a different one.

At the very least, we can agree to disagree.
But do not let it distract from the very relevent and real world which is not all warms hugs and happiness.

Excuse me, for popping in on your sheltered world, but that is what I do best evidently...


But keep this in mind I am not a supporter of my own US government. I am against the things they have sactioned in the name of this so called war on terror.

I am for the American People, and if I have to shock and awe them into the 21st century so be it.


It is a shame though, seeing that there is some of you out there wh would rather nuke an entire culture because of the bad apples.

Not all people of the Islamic faith are head chopping extemists. But they are threatened by those types, and it is the person who says tot hem well it is your faith deal with it, when in fact it is a perverted and twisted deranged version that they are threatened with.

Not all muslims are terrorists, but it sure seems like all terrorists are extremist muslims...

I really wish I didn't see that.

Humans are a jacked up species.

reply to post by yahya99


wow you should really research your faith....you seem to project yourself as a pious Muslim..yet you don't really know the origins of your beliefs do you? nor the ridiculous claims of Muhammad and the MANY inconsistencies and hypocritical statements made throughout the Qur'an.....firstly your God Allah IS NOT the same God as the Abramahic God YHWEH, as the world believes....YOUR God, is in fact the name 'borrowed' from the Moon God of pre-Islamic Arabia...you people used to worship ONE God for every Lunar day, and as luck would have it, in Muhammad's house, his Daddy worshiped the Moon God, Allah.....so once you take this into account, as well as Mohammad's penchant for coming into close contact with worshiping Jews and Christians alike....he felt his own people needed their 'own' God...thus the creation from a mad man(the Koran advocates violence and death yet preaches that no man should take another life, heeeeeeelo contradiction...in NO way does the Jewish or Christian Bibles contradict themselves...not one instance)....Islam......read read read.......oh and furthermore...in Surah 5:20 and 5:21 Muhammad himself says that Israel is the land of Musa(Moses) and HIS people....so,.....just a few fun facts


so anyway in closing i give about as much merit and credence to Islam as i would The Moonies or even Scientology...total cult...a jonny come lately team to the game rife with contradiction and ridiculous claims.

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reply to post by ADVISOR


I agree with you that this should be known. People need to know exactly how messed up people on this stinking little rock really are.

We have to remember this, these are human beings doing these things. They are human beings violently beheading another person. Yes they do it for some jacked up religious extremism they have fallen into, but they are still human beings with free will. They freely chose to do this.

It's disgusting and it was hard to watch, but it does need to be known.

Originally posted by honkusbobo
No, no, no, no. A war is not what is going to defeat this sort of mindset. War reinforces the "clash of civilization" doctrine and the us vs. them mentality. The Muslims will fight back just as hard as we do. The real thing is to do nothing and Islam will burn itself out, as you will see happening in the rapidly modernizing Islamic states the world over.

I do not believe this "cult" will burn out. It is spreading. The UK Nations have millions of Islam imigrants. They have on average 8 offspring per family-more than any other culture based on recent cultural statistics.

Many European nations could have a majority of Muslim believers well within 20 to 30 years replacing the cultural foundation of many nations which means being able to make new laws to mold towards their religious beliefs.

I have not watched any of those horiffic images-not because I want to ignore the obvious, because I do not want to have nightmares-plain and simple. I believe someday this fight will eventually bear its ugly reality to those not of the military but our domestic lives and if that happens most of our Socity will faced with a rude awakening-and only then will they understand and improve their short term memory.

reply to post by ADVISOR


well...ill say it..I"M sorry but i totally agree with the initial perspective people were SUPPOSED to get from the Ops perspective. That was the point...we as a WHOLE people need to realize the dangers of this type of politically fostered behavior, whipped into frenzy with religious zeal, that advocates violence and brutality as an answer to ANY people not wanting to live under the yoke of another's absurd cultish claim that unless they do so...they must die as infidels....let's face it..this # DOES go on...its even seen in live press conferences..this admonishment of the west and anything NOT Islam...this is dangerous unstable thinking..this is bad stuff guys...and i don't think it's the fault of the OP for posting something like this, regardless of his opinion....even if he IS right!!

So...i applaud the OP's bold approach with the shocking content and political wake-up call..same as sayin'..."hey we don't make the news...we just report it..."

Have the guys in the vid done anything different from Christians and Jews who used the scriptures to exploit Africans?

reply to post by EMPIRE


Or to torture and burn witches at the stake.

But that was then, this is now. This is happening to people now. This is happening to people of the same country, the same religion, as the people that are doing this.

Muslims that don't condone this sort of thing need to stand up for their religion. They need to really shut these people down. Most Muslims I know are very nice people who would never hurt a fly.

reply to post by whatukno


I'm sorry, but what I'm talking about is still going on. Moreover, someone in this thread did stand up for his religion and look at how he was insulted for doing so.

Another reminder of the dangers of Islam as a religious ideology. Unsurprisingly, so many apologists use the "USA armed them and gave them financial backing' card. This is becoming rather tiresome as the world and the West in particular turns a blind eye to the dangers of Islam as a religious ideology.

If I run a lumberjack business that specialises in selling chainsaws, am I responsible for the acts committed by those who buy my chainsaws? If one person decides to murder his entire family with a chainsaw and says in court "I did it because I had the chainsaw" is that a plausible reason for him to excuse his actions and blame me for their murders?

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reply to post by Dark Ghost


Did you know his motives? Moreover were you going to benefit from his motives? You're making it seem as if America went into this business arrangement with blinders on, and clearly this was not the case.