Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

reply to post by kiwitina948


the 'new killer disease' is slightly mutated H1N1, so they will use 'good old' vaccines they're already making.

reply to post by jedi_hamster


I completely agree. There only needs to be a slight change in the virus to change it's effects. The WHO has to know this, so that means their betting other people don't? That article tells me exactly what I thought was happening is true.

reply to post by nikiano


Unlike the blogs you folks use for sources that one tells you exactly where to go to pull up the real Moshe's professional profile. Did you happen to try it and see if he's right? (I did).

Those two men look nothing alike, they're about 20 years plus apart in appearance. I do find it amazing how the false conspiracy was assembled so quickly on that one though, almost like it was planned....

Wherever your're getting your info from on Baxter is completely wrong. I'll take the EU government documentation over all the websites in the World on that one. Amazingly enough, the official report matches exactly what I was told by three different virologists.

It was not a vaccine. It was a virus sent to a testing lab to use in a vaccine test.

The ferrets were vaccinated, the virus was to see if the vaccine worked.

The virus that should have been sent would not have killed all the ferrets, that's how the techs knew something was amiss. Indeed, an avian flu vector had been sent by mistake.

That vector was not capable of infecting humans and was not sourced from the same place vaccines come from.

As so many conspiracy sites have said, "there are far too many safety checks in place for a vaccine to be contaminated like that by accident".

They're right. It wasn't a vaccine which is why the mistake was able to be made. The wrong vials were sent (to 4 testing labs, not 16 or 18).

It sure looks to me like someone is setting the alt media sources up for a huge credibility hit. They probably deserve it for reporting each other's stories without doing any research. I've never seen so many instances of false information being reported by so many of the conspiracy / patriot / alt media sources.

Maybe I need to start a list:
Moshe story is fake
Baxter story is fake
"All vaccines contain squalene"
"Swine flu vaccine kills sailors and ship captain"

Someone sure is working hard to try and scare people into not taking the vaccines, why they have to use disinfo to do it seems to be the real question in need of some deep thought and consideration.


[edit on 17-11-2009 by ecoparity]

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by JJay55

 

JJay, do you have good reason to trust this info that you have on the 'Yellow Fever' transfer?

Yep. Same source as the AQ surrended at the LOC. There are elites who aren't in Forbes magazine who have agendas and make things happen. Let's see who Allen leaves his big yacht Octopus to when the cancer kicks in and there will be more clues. A giant chess game, a giant chess game.
The motivation isn't too many people in population to feed, it's more about too many chefs in the kitchen. It was far easier with a handful of kings back in the 1800's. Now there are 2000 Princes in Saudi alone.

reply to post by ecoparity


Since you are now keeping a list I will post mine here in due time.......Trust me, I have been keeping track since April as you know and my list is long........

But for now the comment you just made........

"Someone sure is working hard to try and scare people into not taking the vaccines,"

You have it backwards!! The WHO, CDC, Government(s) and the media are STRONGLY pushing the vaccine! As CNN says "Just Take The Damn Vaccine"

Why such the push for the vaccine??

You know as I do that the gene sequence released by the CDC for the vaccine to the pharma companies was never isolated........

So you tell me where is the conspiracy??

Originally posted by Cloudsinthesky

"Someone sure is working hard to try and scare people into not taking the vaccines,"

You have it backwards!! The WHO, CDC, Government(s) and the media are STRONGLY pushing the vaccine! As CNN says "Just Take The Damn Vaccine"

Why such the push for the vaccine??

YES! Why? The WHO, in the world that we should like to live in, should be our 'go to' people. They should have the best and the brightest minds to give us answers. They have had time to release detailed information about what changes have occurred in the viruse that they have tested from the Ukraine. Not vague crap!

Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by nikiano

 

As so many conspiracy sites have said, "there are far too many safety checks in place for a vaccine to be contaminated like that by accident".

They're right. It wasn't a vaccine which is why the mistake was able to be made.

[edit on 17-11-2009 by ecoparity]

Give me a break.


A. If Baxter sent out live virus, it would have been labelled in HUGE, gigantic lettering that you could not miss. It would have said :WARNING; LIVE VIRUS! NOT VACCINE! It would have stated that it had to be handled under speical conditions precisly just so something like this (that it was mistaken for a vaccine) would not happen.

The people who accepted a live virus would have had to sign for that in many, many different places, acknowledging the fact that they were getting live virus!!

b. Vaccine testing is animals is to be given in early phases of testing....phase II. Phase II testing is done BEFORE a vaccine (or a drug) is ever produced for human use.

So, you're basically saying that these lab testing facilities were sent live virus that was to be tested on animals to facilities...and they didn't know that they were supposed to test on animals? No way. A facilities doesn't just get selected as a random phase II trial center without signing up as a phase II trial center without advanced knowledge. They don't just say "suprise! You're in a phase ii trial! Pleae inject these animals for us!"

No, they would have had to be selected, trained, and authorized to carry out phase II testing...animal testing...way ahead of time.

Have you ever worked in a drug study before? I have. Phase IV. Actually, several of them.

Do you have any idea the ungodly amount of paperwork that anybody working on ANY phase of ANY clinical trial would have to undergo before the substance was even shipped to them?

The notebooks full of paperwork are HUGE. In one study, we had 10 measely little patients, but the paperwork took 7 hours out of an 8 hour day for the two months I was working on the study.

No way would these people be shipped a live virus to be injected into live animals without knowing what they were supposed to do with it before hand, withhout having to don tons of protective gear, and without having to sign for in a MILLION PLACES, acknowledging the fact that they were working with live virus.

Honestly, I don't think they would even allow a live virus out of a secure biohazzard area.

Show me a link to your sources. Show me something in writing, Eco, that says what you are telling me is true.



edit to add:

When I work at the hosptial, if I accept a shipment of morphine or any other controlled II substance, I literally have to sign in about 5 different places acknowledging that I accepted a schedule II substance.

A virus is going to be at least a level I substance, if not more. The paperwork on accepting a live virus would have been UNGODLY.


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[edit on 17-11-2009 by nikiano]

reply to post by butcherguy


The WHO is part of the UN. How they were appointed to this role is beyond me, I sure didn't vote for them.

The primary mission of the WHO in the UN charter is to preserve global trade. Not solve pandemics or run the show, it's to make sure the good and services continue to flow despite public health issues.

All I've seen them do is downplay this thing. I keep hearing how they're hyping it but that sure doesn't fit with all the stat games and hiding sequences.

I don't see a lot of hype to take the vaccines where I live and that's probably a good thing since we don't have any. Everything I see backs up the vaccine shortage, with all these countries wanting to purchase them now where exactly are they going to come from? All the vaccine was sold out almost immediately.

The US media is barely reporting on Ukraine. For the first few days there was no reports at all. Even now there's hardly any attention. How is that hype?

I suppose it's going to take going back and getting the vaccine production estimates from May / June and compare the numbers in order to prove they aren't just hiding vaccine in a warehouse somewhere. Somehow the discussion requires me to do that while everyone else can claim anything they can imagine with no documentation . . .

If the idea is to get everyone to take the deadly vaccine why don't they have enough to go around? Artificial scarcity only works up to the point where you run out of the product, then it's just gone regardless of demand.

Originally posted by nikiano

Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by nikiano

 

As so many conspiracy sites have said, "there are far too many safety checks in place for a vaccine to be contaminated like that by accident".

They're right. It wasn't a vaccine which is why the mistake was able to be made.

[edit on 17-11-2009 by ecoparity]

Give me a break.

a. If they sent out live virus, it would have been labelled in HUGE, gigantic lettering that you could not miss. It would have said :WARNING; LIVE VIRUS! NOT VACCINE!

Honestly, I don't think they would even allow a live virus out of a secure biohazzard area.

Show me a link to your sources. Show me something in writing, Eco, that says what you are telling me is true.

Excellent! Demand some documentation. The whole Baxter thing is too much to be written off as "OOPS"!

reply to post by butcherguy


As for the Poland H5N1 vaccines that killed a few homeless........

It was Novartis.......

reply to post by ecoparity
I am not for a minute suggesting that the WHO or the MSM are hyping anything. Quite the contrary. Do you agree that their info released about the genetic make-up of the virus collected in Ukraine was vague at best? They are sweeping it under the rug! Why do they push the vaccine if the virus is barely any more lethal than seasonal influenza? Granted, the seasonal vaccine has been pushed in years past, but nothing like the push for the H1N1 vaccine. The argument that this flu could so readily mutate into something deadly doesn't fly IMO. That could happen at any time, with any virus, in any season of the year.



[edit on 17-11-2009 by butcherguy]

Originally posted by Cloudsinthesky
reply to post by butcherguy

 

As for the Poland H5N1 vaccines that killed a few homeless........

It was Novartis.......

And no Eco I can not post the source for that at the tip of my fingers........but I will look for it!!

The EU govt briefing documents for the Baxter incident were posted in this thread, several times by Mike.

The WHO is holding the sequences because if they announce the mutation there will be a rush for vaccines which they do not have.

For some reason they are convinced people will riot for the vaccines. Remember all the reports about National Guard drills a few months back?

Those drills were for vaccine riots where crowds angrily demand the vaccine....

Alex Jones reported it, if I recall correctly...

If my theory is correct they won't have enough vaccine for everyone. The people who didn't trust it won't be able to get it and they were preparing for the issues which will arise when that happens.

They plan to capitalize on a natural event, a bad pandemic which comes around every 20 years or so. I dunno guys, the evidence sure seems to fit my version of "the plan" without any elaborate add ons required.

If they don't have enough vaccine when things go bad I guess we'll know then. Until then it's probably not something we will all agree on.

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by nikiano

Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by nikiano

 

As so many conspiracy sites have said, "there are far too many safety checks in place for a vaccine to be contaminated like that by accident".

They're right. It wasn't a vaccine which is why the mistake was able to be made.

[edit on 17-11-2009 by ecoparity]

Give me a break.

a. If they sent out live virus, it would have been labelled in HUGE, gigantic lettering that you could not miss. It would have said :WARNING; LIVE VIRUS! NOT VACCINE!

Honestly, I don't think they would even allow a live virus out of a secure biohazzard area.

Show me a link to your sources. Show me something in writing, Eco, that says what you are telling me is true.

Excellent! Demand some documentation. The whole Baxter thing is too much to be written off as "OOPS"!

Yes, it's funny. First Eco demands US media sources. So, we show him multiple US sources which reference the Baxter accident.

But then he (eco) says that he trusts his inside sources more than US media sources.

But then he slams us for using undocumented heresay from other sources, saying that if it's not written in the US media, then it didn't happen.

Ok, Eco...same goes for you. Name your sources. Show us links.

reply to post by butcherguy


I'm going to demand everyone start providing documentation for every claim. I already know I have it for mine but it should be fun seeing everyone else play along.

They transport viruses and vaccines all the time. I recall a news article about a dangerous vector which was sent all over the World via common carrier and some shipments vanished which created a bit of a scandal.

No one recalls that but me, I suppose?

These vectors for small lab tests are hand made in the lab, hand labeled, etc. They are not production level products. Baxter has never fully explained what happened but others who work in similar environments say they probably just picked up the wrong vials and mis labeled them.

These sorts of mistakes happen all the time. Worse ones, even.

Don't any of you know a virologist or microbiologist you can talk to? It's really not that hard to make contact and ask a few questions.

Another thing that makes me wonder.... why push so hard for people to get a vaccine............ that are 'not available' in sufficient quantities anyway?

Originally posted by ecoparity

The WHO is part of the UN. How they were appointed to this role is beyond me, I sure didn't vote for them.

The primary mission of the WHO in the UN charter is to preserve global trade. Not solve pandemics or run the show, it's to make sure the good and services continue to flow despite public health issues.

Wait a minute my friend! you must have mixed this up?

The world trade is through the: WTO - World Trade Organisation.

The world health is through the: WHO - World Health Organisation

So that WHO is running the show regarding the Pandemic is correct according to treaties and protocol by member countries.

But the WTO is something completely different for World Trade - and they should stay far away from world health issues.

reply to post by nikiano


I never "demanded US media sources", that was something you made up when you accused me of being prejudiced against Ukraine and some other bull crap of yours.

The EU briefing was posted right here in the thread. Interesting how none of you even bothered to look at it.

And no, you haven't provided sources for anything you've posted and despite your claiming it, I haven't been a big jerk about demanding them. We can start playing that game though if you want to.

Heres an idea, how about we all get back on topic? Until a few people came back in the thread was flowing nicely, no attacks or arguments and even people who disagree were getting along just fine.

Ukraine news and updates is the topic of the discussion.

reply to post by Chevalerous


WTO does not handle public health. Check into it for yourself, it wasn't my claim but I believe the person who posted it.

The WHO handles public health issues which impact global trade, the primary mission being to maintain said trade according to the previous poster.

reply to post by ecoparity


"I'm going to demand everyone start providing documentation for every claim. I already know I have it for mine but it should be fun seeing everyone else play along."

I have been involved with you in another forum for months and you have NEVER PROVIDED documentation, evidence, sources, links (other than whats on the net) to information that you provide.

I can not recall one time that you have ever backed up your information outside referencing Dr Niman.........

So for you to "DEMAND" everyone else provide documentation is extremly laughable........







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