Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by seattletruth

 

So you think the CIA planted this virus?
Ok. That makes sense. All those threats from the CIA who wants to destroy people.
Yeah. Let's go with that. The evil CIA.

If this Ukrainian situation IS a biological attack, the al-Quaeda is my LAST bet.

HMM people with stronger motives would be illuminati (masters of CIA), or maybe RUSSIA?

But no, of course it was the Arabs. Don't you think that if Arabs really DID release a biological weapon, they would use it in some place that's actually a NATO nation? Or actually a western nation? Or even a nation that has repeatedly gone to war with them, and occupies their lands?? I don't think Arabs have the biggest bone to pick with Ukraine.. BUT BUT BUT CNN says they are behind ALL the worlds evil, so it must be true!!

Also, if the Arabs were to use a biological weapon, I don't think they'd be so worried about the "plausible deniability" angle, at least not in aspect where they wouldn't want it to be detected as a bioweapon. They would use Anthrax (readily available to them) or something with a much higher mortality rate.
And whens the last time you heard a terrorist group NOT claim responsibility for an attack?

Their propaganda must have really worked wonders... The war on terror is equivalent to the Orwellian war on Eurasia. Never ending, always a common enemy to use in order to strip away freedoms. Yet you are willing to be a tool in their endeavor.

english.donga.com...

Distrust Over Tamiflu`s Adverse Effects Rising
NOVEMBER 16, 2009 08:32
Tamiflu, an anti-viral drug to treat the H1N1 influenza virus, had nothing to do with a teenager’s attempted suicide, health authorities said yesterday.
A 14-year-old boy in Bucheon, Gyeonggi Province who had taken Tamiflu leapt from an apartment building Oct. 30.

The center for countermeasures against influenza at the Health, Welfare and Family Affairs Ministry said, “After conducting an epidemiological study and consulting experts, we have concluded there was little possibility that Tamiflu caused him to kill himself. He took just one dose of the anti-viral drug.”

The boy had sought medical attention due to high fever Oct. 29 and was prescribed Tamiflu. The following day, he went to bed after taking the medicine but woke up from a nightmare and jumped from his sixth-floor apartment.

In Japan, a series of teen suicides in 2007 found that they took Tamiflu. Since the sale of the anti-viral drug was permitted in 2001, Japan had been the world’s largest consumer of Tamiflu from 2001 to 2007 with up 70 percent of global consumption. With the number of teenagers who jumped to their deaths from a building or in front of trucks increasing, fear over the adverse effects of the drug has risen.

According to a survey by the Japanese Health Ministry of 137 teen seasonal flu patients from 2006 through 2007 who either rushed out from their houses on an impulse or jumped from a building, 82 of them or 60 percent were found to have taken Tamiflu.

The ministry conducted another survey in June of 10,000 children under age 18 and banned medical institutions from prescribing Tamiflu for those under 18. It said the relationship between Tamiflu and odd behavior cannot be proven nor denied.

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URL won't work when I try to link it, sorry.

www.tinyurl.com...

Eight Deaths in Sweden Reported due to Swine Flu Jab, Admits Medical Products Agency 14 November 2009

The Swedish government's medical products agency has said that it has received reports of 8 people dying in connection with GlaxoSmithKline's Pandemrix swine flu jab from doctors and patients so far. There is no requirement to report deaths and side effects from the swine flu jab in Sweden even though it has not been tested. A GSK study in the UK on the side effects of the GSK jab is considered adequate for Sweden. The lack of proper monitoring has sparked fears that the 8 deaths are just the tip of the iceberg.

Be careful what you wish for, eco.


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Your link is not working.........I attempted to repost but it failed for me as well.......??


www.biotechnology-europe.com...

The article is to the right.......






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www.lakemedelsverket.se...

Heres a link to the story on 8 deaths.

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by seattletruth
Do you really think that this is what the Quran teaches?

Yep, I know that's what the Koran and imams and mosques teach from practice. Thanks. I'm ashamed of how some muslims act and I will speak out against them.

AQ has threatened with biologicals. They are muslims.

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Lol AQ are the CIA!


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Originally posted by stevcolx

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by seattletruth
Do you really think that this is what the Quran teaches?

Yep, I know that's what the Koran and imams and mosques teach from practice. Thanks. I'm ashamed of how some muslims act and I will speak out against them.

AQ has threatened with biologicals. They are muslims.

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Lol AQ are the CIA!

Are you suggesting that AQ is the CIA or are you laughing because you don't think AQ is the CIA?
And no, the CIA isn't AQ. AQ is a real group. The CIA didn't form AQ from the misconception that came from when the CIA armed and trained the mujahidine in the Afghan Russian conflict in the late 80's. When we left the mujahidine carried on with their skirmishes and we were done. Of course we have been dragged back into the conflict. Go there. It's a beautiful place and you can learn the truth, they will tell you.

AQ does work with the ISI. And the ISI does have biologicals in their arsonal along with 100 nukes.
AQ also has cells in Mexico.

Originally posted by JJay55

Are you suggesting that AQ is the CIA or are you laughing because you don't think AQ is the CIA?
And no, the CIA isn't AQ. AQ is a real group. The CIA didn't form AQ from the misconception that came from when the CIA armed and trained the mujahidine in the Afghan Russian conflict in the late 80's. When we left the mujahidine carried on with their skirmishes and we were done. Of course we have been dragged back into the conflict. Go there. It's a beautiful place and you can learn the truth, they will tell you.

AQ does work with the ISI. And the ISI does have biologicals in their arsonal along with 100 nukes.
AQ also has cells in Mexico.

That's what they tell YOU. Even if you are in the intelligence business, remember, the military is on NEED TO KNOW basis. You obviously don't need to know.

You actually believe every word they tell you? They also say our founding fathers were our nation's first TERRORISTS. If fighting tyranny and wanting freedom makes you evil, hand me a turban.



[edit on 15-11-2009 by seattletruth]

It seems every time I contribute my opinion, someone comes along to discount what I say as if this is some ridiculous Hollywood script. I have been accused of fear mongering, lying and being ignorant to what is going on.

It matters not that I hold a Masters in Nursing and spent several years in a Level 1 trauma center. The E. R. and the I.C.U. took up most of my time. I dedicated my life to helping people and have seen some of the worst trauma you can imagine. The human body is extremely resilient. I have personally witnessed extraordinary triumph, and heart wrenching tragedy. It has made me who I am today.

Several years ago I became interested in studying Biosafety Level 4 viruses. I never imagined
that in my life time a hemorrhagic virus would threaten the world population. Nevertheless, this seems to be what is happening.

I am not claiming to have the answers, but based on what I know about microbiology and medicine in general, the symptoms and autopsies do not add up. There is more than one pathogen at work, more than a mutated virus, more than a single bacterial or viral infection, even more than a deadly hemorrhagic organism.

What has happened to the people of the Ukraine is most definitely an act of biological warfare. As Clouds and Hx3 have continuously stated throughout this thread and as early as last May, this "virus" is hiding under the guise of H1N1. Clearly, a push so all will take the vaccine. The vaccine itself will contain the virus. It will prove to be deadly.

I will share with you what I know about a few of the level 4 viruses, perhaps that will allow the open minded to get a better picture of what could be going on.

Arena viruses: Negative strand RNA viruses that are parasites of rodents. Example, Lassa fever.

Arena viruses cause severe hemorrhagic fever. Incubation: 7dys.-3wks. Onset is slow with increasing fever, headache, and body aches. Patients may sustain a serious drop in blood pressure-just as victims of Ebola and Marburg do- and go into shock. At the same time they develop severe pulmonary edema which causes Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS). ARDS is usually the cause of death. Ribavarin has been effective at treating Lassa fever.

Take a look at another Arena virus: Crimean Congo Hemorrhagic fever: First described by the Russians at the end of World War II. It is a tick borne illness, but does not require a bite to infect a human. Ticks can carry the disease and infect other animals. One can contract CCHF by coming in contact with the blood of the infected animal or by ingesting the meat. The most common incidence lies with the sheep. The virus is widespread throughout Africa, the Balkans, Middle East, Pakistan and Western China. Human infection is severe.

Incubation period: 2-9dys. onset is sudden with crippling headache, body aches and high fever. There may be a petechial rash (tiny red spots on the skin) or a condition called ecchymoses (large black areas of the skin caused by bleeding). Patients blood pressure drops, bleeding from the gut may be severe. they may actually die from blood loss.

Now if you look at the above the first virus doesn't add up. We know that onset of symptoms is acute with the virus in the Ukraine and Lassa fever is slow onset. However, it is quite clear this virus causes ARDS. We continue to hear reports about ARDS coming out of Ukraine.

CCHF possibly but not much mention of pulmonary symptoms. We recently had a GI die of CCHF in Afghanistan.

An interesting note looking back at history. China and the former Soviet Union have always had an interest in hemorrhagic fevers. It is known that the Soviet military had established a program to investigate these diseases. However, their interest in the viruses was not necessarily altruistic. More ominously they may have been motivated by the prospect of developing CCHF and other diseases for use in biological warfare.

So there are some facts on hemorrhagic fevers. Just wanted you to have more to consider.

Thanks,

Pax

Howdy.

Myself and family friends volunteer at a food pantry. Recently, one of our coworkers has come down with a week long cough that developed into chronic and life threatening bronchitis. A family member of mine with a weak immune system developed similar symptoms around the same timeframe, and it wouldn't be a far shot to say that one of us picked it up from the dozens of different poor, malnourished people we interact with on a daily basis.

Take it with a grain of salt, but the situation could be much more acute in Ukraine due to its smaller size. If this disease broke out among the listless poor in any US cities, it would take months for anyone to notice.

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We only discount your theories because 20 pages ago you were claiming it was DEFINITELY bacterial in nature. Now it's certainly some weaponized exotic virus (maybe not even airborne) that has a high mortality rate (near 100%), but only 300 people have died so far? Seems you might be a little biased by your years of research on exotic viruses.

We discount what you say because it does not match the mortality rates of those viruses whatsoever.

And I never recall fever being one of the reported symptoms... I recall hearing reports that only *some* victims had a fever. Some only slight fever. And some, no fever.

You keep changing your theory, and then get upset that we have all been rejecting it.

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Thank you for your response, and for the info. BTW, not everyone thinks you are making this up. I also think this was release on purpose, and it seems, like you said, that they have released more than one virus. Remember all the talk about "population reduction", even in the U.S. liberals/progressives/democrats in power have been advocating a need to reduce the population of the world, and to remove "the udesirables."

Unfotunately i think this might grow out of proportion and it could really cause a global pandemic no seen before. Only time will tell. It is my opinion that these people in power who have been advocating "population reduction" should be fired, never allowed to be in any form of official seat, or ANY power, and in fact sevral, if not all of them should be imprisoned if they have something to do with any release of bological weapons in order to achieve their goal of "population reduction." Unfortunately this will be difficult to prove, we only have what they have been willing to say on record.

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Pax, I think your theories are very well thought-out, and I hope you'll continue to post them. Your theories give me great food for thought....at this point, I'm not sure what it is. But I don't discount your theories at all.

Keep posting!

Originally posted by martin3030
Looks like Mill Hill is doing further tests on samples to establish if there are more strains.
Could this be those remaining samples from the batch of 30+ that were originally sent ?We were told that 15 had proved positive for H1N1.

Looks like there is at least some recognition of interest being seen on the internet.

www.digitaljournal.com...

Thanks for the link, Martin.

I thought that the last few paragraphs in that article were especially intereresting! (See below)

Despite WHO assurances that the epidemic in the Ukraine was indeed badly-managed H1N1 swine flu, a team of British scientists is now testing samples to see if this may be the beginning of a dreaded mutation in the H1N1 virus. A more virulent mutation would be a repeat of history, as the 1918 H1N1 influenza demonstrated a disturbingly similar pattern of mild introduction.

"Unlike similar epidemics in other countries, three causes of serious viral infections came together simultaneously in Ukraine: two seasonal flus and the Californian flu," Ukraine President Yushchenko said in a television interview. "Virologists conclude that this combination of infections may produce an even more aggressive new virus as a result of mutation."

The British scientists confirmed that they do not yet have enough samples to determine the nature or strain of the Ukraine virus.

"We do not have a time scale for the results of the tests, although some preliminary results have been obtained. I cannot tell you what they are, " a spokesperson told the Daily Mail. "We did not have enough of the virus samples so we will have to grow some more before we can come to a conclusive decision about its nature."

I wonder what the preliminary results are...the ones which they cannot tell us about yet?


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The hospital that I work at, we got our H1N1 vaccine shipment last week.

The first thing I did when I got the shipment was to get out the package insert to see which vaccine we got. We got the ones made by Novartis, thimersol free, killed virus (not live).

I checked the package insert....no adjuvants that I could see. I called Novartis myself, and asked about adjuvants. None. There were a few surfactants, and an aldehyde-type of additive (similar to formaldehyde), but no adjuvants such as squalene, etc...

However, although there are no adjuvants, I'm still not getting the vaccine, because it is not just the adjuvants in vaccines that pose a risk to people....and I'm not willing to take that risk.

Anyway, my co-workers know where I stand on the issue (no vaccine for me, thank you very much!), but many of them are still opting to get them. It's their choice, of course. We all have to make our own personal decisions.

However, I will definitely be watching to see several things:
1. If any of our small hospital staff gets sick after the vaccine (especially any of my co-workers.)
2. If we get a surge of flu in our hospital right AFTER the vaccine is given.

I'm not sure which day our occupational health nurse is going to be giving the vaccine out to the staff, but I will certainly be watching to see what happens.


EDIT to ADD:

Indicentally, last week, I also made the decision to leave the health care industry for good. I'm making arrangements to leave my current position and get out of "mainstream" healthcare in a few months.

Maybe it was all the talk about the virus. Maybe it was all the talk about corrupt companies, corrupt organizations, and corporations. Maybe it was the fact that I've been planning on getting out for years now, and this thread just solidified it for me.

But....whatever it was.....I made the decision to get out this February. I have a few loose ends to tie up, but I finally decided, enough is enough. I just don't want to be part of making any more money for the drug companies (and the vaccine companies) anymore.

I'm going to do hypnosis full time now....much safer for the patients.



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Good luck. Keep us posted on your vaccinated co-workers and patients.
2nd line.

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Well Hello Seattletruth,

We only discount your theories because 20 pages ago you were claiming it was DEFINITELY bacterial in nature. Now it's certainly some weaponized exotic virus (maybe not even airborne) that has a high mortality rate (near 100%), but only 300 people have died so far?

Please if you don't mind, show me where I claimed it was DEFINITELY anything?? I have only given my opinion and thrown some ideas out, which is a lot better than I can say for you. Yeah yeah I've seen your vids on youtube.
Good for you!

Tell me something, what gives you the right to discount anybody's post? LOL!
People have shown you respect here, yet you have often acted like an immature ass and been extremely condescending. Quite frankly I'm tired of it.

As far as this being bacterial or viral, it is MY OPINION it is both. There are multiple co-infections going on.

ARDS:

* Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) is characterized by the development of acute dyspnea and hypoxemia within hours to days of an inciting event, such as trauma, sepsis, drug overdose, massive transfusion, acute pancreatitis, or aspiration.
* In many cases, the initial event is obvious, but, in others (eg, drug overdose), the underlying cause may not be so obvious.
* Patients developing ARDS are critically ill, often with multisystem organ failure, and they may not be capable of providing historical information.
* The illness develops within 12-48 hours after the inciting event, although, in rare instances, it may take up to a few days.
* With the onset of lung injury, the patients initially note dyspnea with exertion. This rapidly progresses to severe dyspnea at rest, tachypnea, anxiety, agitation, and the need for increasingly high concentrations of inspired oxygen.

link:emedicine.medscape.com...

ARDS does not come out of nowhere. The patient moves from onset of symptoms to being critically ill in a matter of hours.

Now go ahead and tell me Ive changed my theory again lol!

Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome Induced by Avian Influenza A (H5N1) Virus in Mice
Tong Xu, Jian Qiao, Lihong Zhao, Guirong Wang, Guimei He, Kai Li, Yong Tian, Mingyu Gao, Jianlin Wang, Huiyu Wang and Changgui Dong
Department of Pathophysiology, College of Veterinary Medicine, China Agricultural University, Beijing, People's Republic of China

Correspondence and requests for reprints should be addressed to Jian Qiao, M.D., Department of Pathophysiology, College of Veterinary Medicine, China Agricultural University, Beijing 100094, PR China. E-mail: [email protected]

Rationale and Objective: The acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) caused by avian influenza H5N1 viral infection has been reported in many humans since this virus was found to infect humans in Hong Kong in 1997, but no studies regarding an animal model of ARDS with H5N1 viral infection have been found in the literature. Here we present a mouse model of ARDS induced by H5N1 virus.

Methods: Six- to 8-wk-old BALB/c mice were inoculated intranasally (50 µl) with 1 x 102 50% mouse infectious doses of A/Chicken/Hebei/108/2002 (H5N1) virus. Lung injury was assessed by observation of lung water content and histopathology. Arterial blood gas, white blood cell count in bronchial alveolar lavage fluid, and tumor necrosis factor- and interleukin-6 in bronchoalveolar lavage fluid and serum were measured at the indicated time points.

Results: Our data showed that H5N1 viral infection in mice resulted in typical ARDS, which was characterized by the following features: (1) about 80% of mice (13 of 16) dead on Days 6 to 8 postinoculation; (2) highly edematous lungs and dramatically increased lung wet:dry weight ratios and lung wet weight:body weight ratios; (3) inflammatory cellular infiltration, alveolar and interstitial edema, and hemorrhage in lungs; (4) progressive and severe hypoxemia; and (5) significant increase in neutrophils, tumor necrosis factor-, and interleukin-6 in BALF.

Conclusion: These results suggested that we successfully established a mouse model of ARDS with H5N1 viral infection, which may benefit further investigation into the pathogenesis of human ARDS induced by H5N1 virus.


ARDS, LUNGS FILLING UP, DEATH IN UNDER A WEEK

SOUNDS LIKE THE UKRAINE VIRUS

reply to post by paxnatus


I didn't say you don't have the right to post. I said I discounted your THEORY. Based on analysis. The numbers just don't add up if any one of those exotic viruses is running around Ukraine.

I think its a good idea that everybody can post whatever theory they want, even baseless ones (I do more than my fair share), but you act all surprised when yours never catch traction.

One day you're on here complaining because not many agree with you that it's the water supply that vectored a bacterial plague, then when even you finally concede that it's highly unlikely, you move onto your next theory.. And again you act like nobody's been listening to you.. Well. I listened, but after analyzing it it doesn't add up. What more do you want?

Look at the symptoms you listed for the exotic viruses. Spotting.. Black marks. Do you think the doctors in Ukraine are too stupid to look for those?

With the W.H.O. skirting questions on the protein sequences, mutations, etc, I think that a slight mutation is more likely.

The novel form of H1N1 is meant to replicate best in the temperatures in the lungs of a swine, not humans. It's almost inevitable that a mutation would occur which causes it to replicate better in the lung tissue of humans, which would cause the massive increase in pneumonic symptoms. Whether this mutation was planted, or natural, is another question.



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I am with you pax.

I believe we are dealing with a bio-attack. Too many things point to that conclusion. Studying viruses and bioweapons is something I have been doing for a long time now as well. I know that the Russians have weaponized Marburg.

The entire Moshe thing is really scary. Also what is happening in Ukraine is really similar to the 1918 flu. People would start showing symptoms in the morning, and then they would have total lung destruction and death by night time.

So it will be very difficult to tell what we are dealing with until the other pathogen is discovered. I agree that we are dealing with something that is not just swine flu.