Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

New video from Poland on Baxter contaminated vaccines.



English subtitles.

Originally posted by EDteach
An opinion from a priest (occupation atypical of ATS regular posters?) on h1n1 vaccine.

Leading Croatian Priest: Don't get the H1N1 Vaccine
Saturday, 14 November 2009

Controversy in Croatia after famous Croatian priest Miroslav Bustruk appealed to Croatians not to get vaccinated against the Swine flu vaccine.

In a church ceremony dedicated to St Martin, father's Bustruk statement caused an avalanche of reactions in Croatia.

"I appeal to you, to not get vaccinated for the so called Swine Flu under any circumstance. There is a plan for massive destruction of humanity worldwide. For this purpose we will see new diseases springing up everywhere" reports Croatian daily "Jutarnji List", quoting father Bustruk.

*snip*
More will be known in few weeks when the Vatican is expted to issue a press release addressing all World's Governments.
macedoniaonline.eu...

I was just spending time with a friend who got vaccinated for swine flu with the mist. She got vaccinated less than a month ago meaning she can still spread it.

I have a cold right now meaning my immune system is weakened. I also take medications for my heart that lower my white blood cell count that I have to have a blood test for every other week to make sure they don't get too low. This means my immune system is even weaker. In fact, I've been sick with a cold for the past 4 weeks. I'll let you know if I contract swine flu.

[edit on 11/14/2009 by nightmarehalo]

MILLION HIT BY 'PLAGUE WORSE THAN SWINE FLU'

A DEADLY plague could sweep across Europe, doctors fear, after an outbreak of a virus in Ukraine plunged the country and its neighbours into a state of panic.

A cocktail of three flu viruses are reported to have mutated into a single pneumonic plague, which it is believed may be far more dangerous than swine flu.

Not plague but a "new" virus.

In a TV interview, the President added: “Unlike similar epidemics in other countries, three causes of serious viral infections came together simultaneously in Ukraine – two seasonal flus and the Californian flu

“Virologists conclude that this combination of infections may produce an even more aggressive new virus as a result of mutation.”

Niman is of course refuting the claims, people should really look at his history and decide for themselves whether he is trustworthy. Some of his statements leave me to believe he is not.

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Eco posts on Niman's forum. There's plenty of dirt on Niman he also can be accused of peddling for self interest. Eco has used this old one over and over. What will he do when he finds out Niman was doing the same with biotech he was investing in?

Then there's the claims of bio weapon espionage in 2005, the strain he was so concerned about does not affect humans. Turned out It was a plot to reduce the population of the worlds mice.

He hasn't published any scientific papers since 1996, and as a scientist is more preoccupied with the media and internet blogs and forums.

Need more?

I'm calling him out. SHILL!!!!!

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Click here for more information.

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thanks for your info and post this is what a lot of people needed and very informative/ congrats to you!

As well as towing the pharmaceutical line, Niman also claims that H1N1 is a product of nature and all the strains were found circulating within the pig population.

He ignores that the deeper analysis has shown that all eight genes. ALL OF THEM from those sequence even the asian ones, had shown varying degrees of rapid evolution. Three to five times faster!

This is from a virologist with far more credibility and credentials than Niman.

The logical conclusion is that the evolution was sped up in the past, in a lab.

He also plays down the Baxter attempt at a bird flu pandemic, that's where that particular BS defense story we've heard at nauseam comes from. Not from actual research.

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you know given the fact that the animals as was stated were given the vaccine all died! put that common sense in there with a diabolical twisted agenda, sick b--------- that would kill children women, men for some ---- reasons , now i know why ego oh. eco wouldn't answer my questions when put on the spot! all makes sense now and since he was his, number one guru and mentor there you have it what a murderous bunch of cockroaches too bad the civilian powers that be can't do their own black ops!

To be quite honest, I don't know who is right or who to trust (I'm not talking about people here, just the media and so called experts).

Some people are posting about Dr. Gary Null. I did some research and found out that he's on Quackwatch and basically doesn't believe HIV is a cause of AIDS.

The prisonplanet article on this thread gives the exact opposite information than the Sunday Express article does (which I believe in on this thread, too). Basically, prisonplanet's Ukrainian Dr says the deaths are not caused by "pneumonia, but cardiopulmonary insufficiency and cardiogenic shock … The virus enters directly into the lungs, there is bleeding … Antibiotics should not be used …"

While Sunday Express states, "A cocktail of three flu viruses are reported to have mutated into a single pneumonic plague, which it is believed may be far more dangerous than swine flu. The death toll has reached 189 and more than 1 million people have been infected, most of them in the nine regions of Western Ukraine."

Prison Planet is dated the 14th of Nov while The Sunday Express is dated the 15th of Nov.

With all the different information going around and a media blackout here in the states, what the hell can any of us know? I'm frustrated and have no idea what it is. The way things are going, it's going to turn out to be no doubt terrible for the Ukraine (even if not one more person dies) but maybe nothing much to worry about for the rest of the world. Pretty much every thread I've read on this site usually ends up to be less than made out to be.
Then again, maybe this is the worst thing to happen in my lifetime. Who knows?

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Originally posted by ecoparity
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The other part of the swine flu conspiracy is the claim that there is no swine flu, it's a hoax and so on. While no one has died or reported a serious reaction from the vaccines it's a fact that tens of thousands have died from not taking them.

When the swine flu does step up and start killing people like it has in Ukraine the crowd claims it's something else doing it?

Well, if that's true we're all done for. The vaccines won't work and nothing is going to stop them. I'd advise those of you who believe that to get your affairs in order then because you're certainly going to die.

Ecoparity, what do you mean by "the vaccines"?
The notion that "tens of thousands have died from not taking them" does appear quite ludicrous if you are referring to swine flu vaccines, and is unsupportable even if you are referring to influenza vaccines in general.

Does the Vaccine Matter?

Such comparisons have shown a dramatic difference in mortality between these two groups: study after study has found that people who get a flu shot in the fall are about half as likely to die that winter—from any cause—as people who do not. Get your flu shot each year, the literature suggests, and you will dramatically reduce your chance of dying during flu season.

Yet in the view of several vaccine skeptics, this claim is suspicious on its face. Influenza causes only a small minority of all deaths in the U.S., even among senior citizens, and even after adding in the deaths to which flu might have contributed indirectly. When researchers from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases included all deaths from illnesses that flu aggravates, like lung disease or chronic heart failure, they found that flu accounts for, at most, 10 percent of winter deaths among the elderly. So how could flu vaccine possibly reduce total deaths by half? Tom Jefferson, a physician based in Rome and the head of the Vaccines Field at the Cochrane Collaboration, a highly respected international network of researchers who appraise medical evidence, says: “For a vaccine to reduce mortality by 50 percent and up to 90 percent in some studies means it has to prevent deaths not just from influenza, but also from falls, fires, heart disease, strokes, and car accidents. That’s not a vaccine, that’s a miracle.”
. . . .
Nonetheless, in 2004, Jackson and three colleagues set out to determine whether the mortality difference between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated might be caused by a phenomenon known as the “healthy user effect.” They hypothesized that on average, people who get vaccinated are simply healthier than those who don’t, and thus less liable to die over the short term. People who don’t get vaccinated may be bedridden or otherwise too sick to go get a shot. They may also be more likely to succumb to flu or any other illness, because they are generally older and sicker. To test their thesis, Jackson and her colleagues combed through eight years of medical data on more than 72,000 people 65 and older. They looked at who got flu shots and who didn’t. Then they examined which group’s members were more likely to die of any cause when it was not flu season.

Jackson’s findings showed that outside of flu season, the baseline risk of death among people who did not get vaccinated was approximately 60 percent higher than among those who did, lending support to the hypothesis that on average, healthy people chose to get the vaccine, while the “frail elderly” didn’t or couldn’t. In fact, the healthy-user effect explained the entire benefit that other researchers were attributing to flu vaccine, suggesting that the vaccine itself might not reduce mortality at all. Jackson’s papers “are beautiful,” says Lone Simonsen, who is a professor of global health at George Washington University, in Washington, D.C., and an internationally recognized expert in influenza and vaccine epidemiology. “They are classic studies in epidemiology, they are so carefully done.”

Naturally, people working for the companies manufacturing these vaccines don't want us to know that, at best, they are a useless waste of time and money.

I have read that every liar learns to include a little bit of truth. Is that what's happening here, Ecoparity, when you say:

The vaccines won't work and nothing is going to stop them.

Finally, Ecoparity, you say that everyone who doesn't get the vaccines "is certainly going to die."

That sounds a trifle alarmist. The overall death-rate in the Ukraine is still quite small, despite the alarming turn influenza has taken there. Most Ukrainians catching the flu are still recovering without any medical intervention.

So how do you justify your statement, Eco?
Is it a lie, and exaggeration, an effort to frighten people into getting vaccinated?
Or do you have inside knowledge of a terribly deadly disease planned to ravage Earth in the near future?

If so, Eco, you and your ilk are out of luck.
Humans are resilient. Natural remedies are more effective than druggie companies would have us believe, and the tough oldies like me who remember them will survive. And the greater separation between people these days means that dying people don't have much opportunity to spread any virus, causing the less lethal forms to become dominant.

People not getting immunised against swine flu will certainly die, that's inarguable. Some will get sick, some will get run over, some will fall off cliffs, but most will eventually die in their beds of old age.

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I'd be more inclined to trust the interview, over the express article which sounds like a reporters second hand take.
Can't take it as gospel of course, but I do believe the Doctor is being honest whether he is correct or not is another story.
But the theme of other strains mingling seems to be dominating the reports lately.

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When you say interview, I'm guessing you're referring to the prison planet interview where they report it as pneumonic plague? If not, I guess you mean Dr. Null. He may be coming from a place of honesty (as he sees it) but I have my doubts about him. Yeah, the flu cocktail (the mix) seems to be the prevalent theory right now but pneumonic plague was the prevalent theory for the first week. Oh well.... I guess time will tell...

Edit - by the way, thanks for your thoughts.

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Originally posted by BLUESHADOW747
Just went to that site incredible so as many were saying including myself it is a f bio-weapon , so where is ecoparity and her flagwaving dr. nimo now?

2 things. Nimo and eco posts cease and moderator edits. That's interesting, looks like someone was busted. When someone protesteth too much it's kinda obvious.
And the bio=weapon disguised as a oopsie lab mistake. Not quite as dramatic as 12 Monkeys but all the same.

I'd like to know the origin. Who in Baxter has connection to the evil overlord and who are they?

Originally posted by Kailassa
People not getting immunised against swine flu will certainly die, that's inarguable. Some will get sick, some will get run over, some will fall off cliffs, but most will eventually die in their beds of old age.

I agree that those that did not get immunized will certainly die. But according to most sources the chances of dying are somewhere between .0002% and 2%. These statistics are the same as SARS was a while back. The chances of spreading swine flu after mist immunization is 2.5%. You have to be retarded not to get immunized out of paranoia.

However, there are 2 other things to worry about:
1: Mutation like in Ukraine. Chances might be this mutation comes right back to Mexico.
2: A biological weapon being released during a flu pandemic by a terrorist.

A good question to ask would be whether or not you can get sick from the mutation if it travels back to you after getting immunized for the previous strain.

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