Eating Animals is Making us Sick

reply to post by ReelView


In your opinion.
Second line.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with eating meat. Humans are developed to eat meat. Like anything else, moderation is key.

I don't know why vegetarians think that eating meat is this tabboo, horrible thing. To deny yourself of eating meat and taking supplements for protein and iron is denying yourself of being wholly human. We are omnivores. It is ok to eat animals ppl. It's a neat little thing you've maybe heard of. It's called the food chain.

Originally posted by spinalremain
To deny yourself of eating meat and taking supplements for protein and iron is denying yourself of being wholly human.

Sorry i don't need meat or the supplements to be "wholly human".

You can make assumptions all day about whether humans are meant to eat meat, again that is an assumption because you have absolutely no conclusive evidence. This does not make it true or right. Nothing will ever change the fact that meat is extremely unhealthy for your digestive system and body as a whole.

If a person eats a diet high in meats, dairy products, cheese, yogurt, white rice and refined grains it causes the colon muscular layer to become very thick, creating spasms and actually shortens the colon. He says that a high fiber diet can actually make your colon up to 2 ft longer. He stated that a persons colon is a good indication of what is happening to your arteries also. As the colon goes, so do your arteries.
We do not inherit disease from our parents, we inherit their dietary habits and all the health problems that come with it. Good habits will overcome bad genes.

Meats from animals that have a higher body temperature than that of humans should not be consumed because the fat solidifies on our body and causes a host of health problems.

Human body Temp – 98.6 F
Cow body temp. – 102-104 F
Bird body temp – 105-108 F

How has Dr Shinya arrived at his theory of health and diet? Direct physical evidence!

As a gastro-intestinal specialist he has carried out over 370,000 colonoscopic procedures. In other words, he has inserted a camera into over a quarter million people’s colon and filmed the results. What results? The results of their dietary practices!

None of you meat eating crusaders have responded to this yet? how can you argue with direct physical evidence???

www.prayfornathan.org...

[edit on 8-11-2009 by Rawhemp]

i still dont get how a person capable of using a computer and with at least part of a working brain cant grasp the connection between consuming feces in meat and having health problems from that.
do you eat your own poop?
why eat another animals and expect good results?

Originally posted by spinalremain
There is absolutely nothing wrong with eating meat. Humans are developed to eat meat. Like anything else, moderation is key.

I don't know why vegetarians think that eating meat is this tabboo, horrible thing. To deny yourself of eating meat and taking supplements for protein and iron is denying yourself of being wholly human. We are omnivores. It is ok to eat animals ppl. It's a neat little thing you've maybe heard of. It's called the food chain.

well, i for one dont enjoy murdering livestock. i like animals, why woudl i want to kill them, then eat them?
and its not taboo, its jsut immoral and disgusting.
and btw, i dont take supplements for protien and iron, and im alive, as far as i can tell.
why is it everytime this conversation occurs, vegetarians have lists of hundreds of valid reasons not to eat meat, and all the fleshmongers can some up with is "protien"? you do realise almost everything you eat, including plants, has protien right? you act like meat is the only source of this life giving super supplem=ent, when in fact, you dont need nearly as much as most say, and it occurs in almost all foods .
jsut wierd.

Lol, this is about as hopeless as a Jew arguing with Hitler. Veganites, UNITE, and lets rid the planet of ALL the terrorists!

I'm not gonna get into the whole vegan/meat discussion here, but I felt like I should contribute a bit here.

I myself love meat, but was surprised to learn how little meat is needed for an average person - 90 grammes a day

Meat is pretty expensive (i try to stay away from factory farmed stuff, since i am a treehugger by heart), and it has a pretty big carbon footprint.

I think the average person eats at least 4 times as much meat as required, and I'm trying to cut back myself, and eat more green (organic) but bacon is just soooooo good . I don't think going all vegetarian is the answer, but reducing the meat intake - Great for the body, and great for the planet.

Also, meat from animals who have been treated with respect, and fed well tends to taste way better, though is mostly more pricey

Originally posted by Point of No Return
I would like to see you "No-meaters" trying to survive in nature, like our ancestors, without eating meat.

I'll give you three weeks, then it's over.

So, you tried to say that it is impossible for a human to live past 3 weeks of no meat diet?

What about those humans that have lived their entire life that way? I've know those that ate meat previously, gave it up entirely, and have been no-meat dieters for more than 10 years.

Your claim is unfounded.

Those who eat meat for protein lack the essential human DNA to convert precursorial food elements into their own protein. In other words, vegans/vegetarian do not require animal meat in order to produce HUMAN protein in the HUMAN body.

Why do people get sick when they eat animal meat... because they replaced their HUMAN protein withe ANIMAL protein. Devolution.

Originally posted by spinalremain
There is absolutely nothing wrong with eating meat. Humans are developed to eat meat. Like anything else, moderation is key.

I don't know why vegetarians think that eating meat is this tabboo, horrible thing. To deny yourself of eating meat and taking supplements for protein and iron is denying yourself of being wholly human. We are omnivores. It is ok to eat animals ppl. It's a neat little thing you've maybe heard of. It's called the food chain.

There is nothing wrong when we eat humans that eat animals because those humans are what they eat.

This is neat little thing you may of heard of called: The Nature of The Thirst!

I tasted the rainbow, and I frak'n like it!


[edit on 8-11-2009 by dzonatas]

Okay, I propose a compromise here.

If all you meat eaters promise to keep your disturbing habit restrained to within your own species and kind, I will leave you all alone. Those that love flesh for dinner, forum a meat club and practice this carnage among yourselves and leave the rest of the life forms on Earth the hell alone.

This will solve a lot of problems too. The animal kingdom will no longer have to fear man, the influenza viruses will stop, and you can solve all these social problems by eating all your sickly ones, the old ones sitting around waiting to die anyhow, the unemployed, the homeless, eat your criminals, your welfare breeders, your retards and rejects, your aborted fetuses, eat the blood sucking parasites among yourselves. Hey, there are yummy yummy stem cells in them humans .. Eat that and you might live forever. Do this, and there will be peace between the animal kingdom and humanity and us Veganites. Keep dragging other unwilling participants into this disgusting dietary practice of your and you can expect something far worse than swine flu one day.

So how about it, huh, peace? Tell ya what, agree to this, and I'll help you round up a roast for dinner tonight and show you how it's done (lol).

Originally posted by STFUPPERCUTTER
so you really dont believe theres feces and urine in your meats?
i hate to break it to you, but when you disembowel and animal, no matter how careful you are, teh whole digestive tract is bound to let loose somewhere.

Please stop. You're embarrasing yourself. If you've never hunted and cleaned your own wild game, and I'm assuming you haven't based on the ignorant comment above, I can tell you now that the digestive tract is avoided at all costs. It spoils the meat.

Yes, contamination can be a problem with ANY food products, including fruits and vegetables. Parasites, worms, insecticides and pesticides, fertilizers......should I keep going?

-Dev

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Where is his peer reviewed work?

He claims colon cancer is caused by meat consumption, yet I've provided meta-analyses suggesting otherwise.

He also thinks fruits should be restricted....isn't that opposite of your ideology?

-Dev

[edit on 8-11-2009 by DevolutionEvolvd]

Originally posted by dzonatas

Why do people get sick when they eat animal meat... because they replaced their HUMAN protein withe ANIMAL protein. Devolution.

Why do you assume that meat eaters get sick? It has to be based on anecdotes and observations because every study I've seen evaluating the efficacy of a high-fat/high-protein(meat), low-carb diet has shown improvements in all tested markers.

I've mentioned this so many times before:

If eating meat is making us sick, and your evidence is from observations, how do you explain the observations of over 100 years from Doctors in Africa attributing all the diseases of civilization to increased carbohydrate consumption. How do you explain pre-westernized eskimos experiencing optimal health with almost no incidences of cancer, diabetes, heart disease and obesity while consuming an all meat diet. It was only when these eskimos began to eat a westerinized diet(increased carbohydrate consumption) that they experienced the aforementioned diseases. How do you explain the observations of the Traditional Masaai and their diet?

How do you explain the Pima, a group of American Indians who consumed meat in abundance before becoming "westernized." They were healthy and thin, until they became so poor they had to depend on government rations to survive. Living on little food, they now develop obesity and diabetes at alarming rates. They eat a diet that consists mainly of carbohydrates.

-Dev

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
I've mentioned this so many times before:

If eating meat is making us sick, and your evidence is from observations, how do you explain the observations of over 100 years from Doctors in Africa attributing all the diseases of civilization to increased carbohydrate consumption. How do you explain...

How do you explain where food resources come from when meat eaters only eat meat? Do you think they just somehow manage to find colonies of meaty animals to eat that just appear out of thin air? Oh, they eat other meat eaters... who eat other meat eaters... and then where does that end?

Like, meat eaters eventually eat meat of an animal that is not a meat eater. Do they eat animals that is vegatarian/vegan/herbivore?

Aha!

Your doctor research just proved the anecdotal evidence you wanted, yet it just wasn't so direct and obvious to you through your obsession with meat.

Oh, and the Indians, the one that makes the kill is the one that traditionally gets to eat the heart. It's the blood, not the meat.

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd

Originally posted by STFUPPERCUTTER
so you really dont believe theres feces and urine in your meats?
i hate to break it to you, but when you disembowel and animal, no matter how careful you are, teh whole digestive tract is bound to let loose somewhere.

Please stop. You're embarrasing yourself. If you've never hunted and cleaned your own wild game, and I'm assuming you haven't based on the ignorant comment above, I can tell you now that the digestive tract is avoided at all costs. It spoils the meat.

Yes, contamination can be a problem with ANY food products, including fruits and vegetables. Parasites, worms, insecticides and pesticides, fertilizers......should I keep going?

-Dev

sure why not, its kind of amusing.

reply to post by STFUPPERCUTTER


I don't and have never murdered livestock first of all.

Secondly, eating and survival are not disgusting unless you want to die.

Go live in the wild and see how long and well you do on berries and leaves.

[edit on 9-11-2009 by spinalremain]

Meat is so unhealthy. I'd much rather live on lettuce like a rabbit and have pale skin and dizzy spells.

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd

Where is his peer reviewed work?

He claims colon cancer is caused by meat consumption, yet I've provided meta-analyses suggesting otherwise.

So should i beileve the blind statistical studies or the guy who has operated on over 300,000 colons... By the way could you link to this meta-analyses again

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvdHe also thinks fruits should be restricted....isn't that opposite of your ideology?

Where does he say that?? He also thinks whole grains are good and its suitable to eat fish. I highly disagree with both of these.

Ok went back and re-read the article, I see where you could get the idea that he thinks fruit should be restricted. This is wrong tho, the only reason he recommends only 10-15% fruit is because hes eating 50% grains(which is absolutely retarded).

Fruit should never be restricted and I've never seen any health professional ever say otherwise, except for a couple retarded vegans who think fruit=hybridized sugar

[edit on 9-11-2009 by Rawhemp]

Originally posted by spinalremain
Meat is so unhealthy. I'd much rather live on lettuce like a rabbit and have pale skin and dizzy spells.

Pale skin and dizziness would be a symptom of under eating, Low fat high fruit vegans are the most vibrant people you will ever meet. You wanna see people with pale skin, acne, big fatasses and body odor you can smell 5 feet away go check out a Mcdonalds drive thru

Originally posted by spinalremain
reply to post by STFUPPERCUTTER

 

I don't and have never murdered livestock first of all.

Secondly, eating and survival are not disgusting unless you want to die.

Go live in the wild and see how long and well you do on berries and leaves.

Your an imbecile, good luck surviving in the jungle with no carbohydrates. You think meats gonna sustain you? not as long as berries and leafs would... If your gonna make totally outrageous assumptions atleast give some sort of fact to back up the retarded # you say

been living in the Himalayas for over 5000 years and still live there to this day
www.thehindubusinessline.com...

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The cruelty involved in agribusiness is the problem. Cruelty to ward the animal and those that eat the product. We have entitled corporations to do all that is needed to keep the world barbecuing.

Factory farming has destroyed the healthy rural way of much of the world...polluted our environment and our health. We all commit a sin when we bite into a pork chop with out researching the manner in which that pig donated it.