Eating Animals is Making us Sick

Humans along with bears and pigs are omnivores:

This categorisation is determined by the length of their digestive tracts, being midway between that of the carnivore and that of the herbivore.

Hence we are, as hunter gatherers originally, meant to eat a mixed diet.

If we eat meat and nothing but meat the fact that our intestinal tract is longer than that of the true carnivore means that the meat piles up therein and slowly rots in part, turning carcinogenic. Hence a high incidence of colon cancer in carnivore humans.

If we eat only vegetable matter, because we don't have more than one stomach as do the ruminants, our bodies are unable to gain sufficient energy. If humans tried to live on the vegetarian diet of a cow they would starve for the reason humans would be burning more energy in digesting coarse vegetation than is available to us therein.
Moreover, true vegetarian animals spend nearly every waking hour feeding in order to gain the nutrition they need.

Vegetarian humans are nuciferous ~ being nuts, as eaten.
Cereal grains being a seed, or nut, also.
Personally I like a little meat with my vegetables.

If the whole world went vegan all farm animals would have to be slaughtered and burnt to make room for growing more nuts et cetera.

Originally posted by Epipactis
Humans along with bears and pigs are omnivores:

This categorisation is determined by the length of their digestive tracts, being midway between that of the carnivore and that of the herbivore.

Hence we are, as hunter gatherers originally, meant to eat a mixed diet.

If we eat meat and nothing but meat the fact that our intestinal tract is longer than that of the true carnivore means that the meat piles up therein and slowly rots in part, turning carcinogenic. Hence a high incidence of colon cancer in carnivore humans.

If we eat only vegetable matter, because we don't have more than one stomach as do the ruminants, our bodies are unable to gain sufficient energy. If humans tried to live on the vegetarian diet of a cow they would starve for the reason humans would be burning more energy in digesting coarse vegetation than is available to us therein.
Moreover, true vegetarian animals spend nearly every waking hour feeding in order to gain the nutrition they need.

Vegetarian humans are nuciferous ~ being nuts, as eaten.
Cereal grains being a seed, or nut, also.
Personally I like a little meat with my vegetables.

If the whole world went vegan all farm animals would have to be slaughtered and burnt to make room for growing more nuts et cetera.

hey! this a reasonable response, grats.
meat is still murder though. so you only get half credit.

Originally posted by Rawhemp

Originally posted by Doc Tesla

Originally posted by Rawhemp



This is false, meat is not needed in any way shape or form.

bull#.

human are omnivores much like bears. Ever seen a bear only eat leafs and be happy? no you haven't because if they don't get meat they start attacking humans for their meat. Vegetables are good and all but meat is what we need.

Whether you believe in god or evolution, we still have canine teeth which are used to tear through meat. therefore we need meat.

We don't need meat actually, if you seriously think we do prove it? Our teeth are nothing compared to a carnivore. Humans arn't bears... We're more like monkeys who happen to be primarily frugivores. Meat doesn't fuel our body, carbohydrates do which come from fruit.

HUmans are omnivorous - thats just science my freind, we evolved over several million years eating meat and plants - thats the FACT - if you have contrary evidence I am afraid it is up to YOU to provide it.

Cheers

Originally posted by audas

Originally posted by Rawhemp

Originally posted by Doc Tesla

Originally posted by Rawhemp



This is false, meat is not needed in any way shape or form.

bull#.

human are omnivores much like bears. Ever seen a bear only eat leafs and be happy? no you haven't because if they don't get meat they start attacking humans for their meat. Vegetables are good and all but meat is what we need.

Whether you believe in god or evolution, we still have canine teeth which are used to tear through meat. therefore we need meat.

We don't need meat actually, if you seriously think we do prove it? Our teeth are nothing compared to a carnivore. Humans arn't bears... We're more like monkeys who happen to be primarily frugivores. Meat doesn't fuel our body, carbohydrates do which come from fruit.

HUmans are omnivorous - thats just science my freind, we evolved over several million years eating meat and plants - thats the FACT - if you have contrary evidence I am afraid it is up to YOU to provide it.

Cheers

ya and after several million years some of us have decided to change.
dont be mad when ur knuckle dragging mouth breathing offspring get left behind

Originally posted by Epipactis
Humans along with bears and pigs are omnivores:

This categorisation is determined by the length of their digestive tracts, being midway between that of the carnivore and that of the herbivore.

Hence we are, as hunter gatherers originally, meant to eat a mixed diet.

Humans are categorized as to have hands to make tools, like guns.

Hence, we are meant to pull a trigger and to kill.

You just justified Fort Hood as a fact of life we are to just accept as it is "meant to" be by your standards.

Edit: Some of us have human limits.

[edit on 9-11-2009 by dzonatas]

Originally posted by Epipactis
Humans along with bears and pigs are omnivores:

This categorisation is determined by the length of their digestive tracts, being midway between that of the carnivore and that of the herbivore.

Hence we are, as hunter gatherers originally, meant to eat a mixed diet.

If we eat meat and nothing but meat the fact that our intestinal tract is longer than that of the true carnivore means that the meat piles up therein and slowly rots in part, turning carcinogenic. Hence a high incidence of colon cancer in carnivore humans.

If we eat only vegetable matter, because we don't have more than one stomach as do the ruminants, our bodies are unable to gain sufficient energy. If humans tried to live on the vegetarian diet of a cow they would starve for the reason humans would be burning more energy in digesting coarse vegetation than is available to us therein.
Moreover, true vegetarian animals spend nearly every waking hour feeding in order to gain the nutrition they need.

Vegetarian humans are nuciferous ~ being nuts, as eaten.
Cereal grains being a seed, or nut, also.
Personally I like a little meat with my vegetables.

If the whole world went vegan all farm animals would have to be slaughtered and burnt to make room for growing more nuts et cetera.

Where does fruit fit into your equation?

humans aren't herbivores we're frugivores just like our closest relatives the orangutan and bonobo

Originally posted by STFUPPERCUTTER
we can go back and forth all day as to whether or not meat is good or bad for us, making us healthy or sick.
but please stop saying people need it. if people needed it i would have died years ago.
you want it, you may like it, you may think its healthy, but you sure dont need it.
you need water, you need air, you need food.
but you do not need meat, its a choice.

You don't need to eat carbs. The body only needs about 120 grams of glucose to fuel the brain and central nervous system, everything else runs on fat. That 120 grams can easily be synthesized from protein in the diet, and, if needed, can be produced from the glycerol molecule that binds fatty acids together to form triglycerides.

Luckily, the body has an amazing ability to adapt to dietary changes. In the short term, burning carbohydrates almost exclusively for fuel is acceptable and is sustainable. In the longterm, however, this process of consuming high-carbohydrate meals causes; oxidative stress, glycation and Advanced Glycation End-products, or AGEs.(which contribute to heart disease, alzheimers and dementia); increased Triglyceride levels, which increases VLDL, which increases LDL; Decreased LDL size(very atherogenic); Decreased HDL; greater liklihood to store fat and not release it, which causes obesity/overfat and causes hunger/overeating.

Carbohydrates, especially fructose, are lipogenic, meaning they cause fat storage and inhibit lipolysis, the release of fat to be burned as fuel.

If, for some reason, you can eat the foods you eat and are healthy, by all means, keep it up. However, generally speaking, Protein/fat promote good health while carbohydrates promote bad health. This is evidenced by clinical trials and is corroborated by multiple observations.

-Dev

Originally posted by STFUPPERCUTTER


ya and after several million years some of us have decided to change.
dont be mad when ur knuckle dragging mouth breathing offspring get left behind

And do you think, evolutionarily speaking, that YOU have evolved over the course of your lifetime into a herbivore?

You haven't. The biochemical responces in your body are still very much in tune with their mouth breathing offspring.

-Dev

Originally posted by dzonatas

Humans are categorized as to have hands to make tools, like guns.

Hence, we are meant to pull a trigger and to kill.

You just justified Fort Hood as a fact of life we are to just accept as it is "meant to" be by your standards.

Edit: Some of us have human limits.

[edit on 9-11-2009 by dzonatas]

Ahhh yes. You're so much better than us.

If you truly believe that eating meat, which is a healthy choice for human beings, is the same as grabbing a gun and shooting multiple people based on religious/political upbringings, then you, sir/ma'am, have real problems and should be careful with your accusations.

How is eating meat making me sick when meat is devoid of carbohydrates, which cause Obesity and diabetes while contributing strongly to heart disease, all of which are "SICKnesses" that are atop the mortality list in America?

I understand that meat consumption is correlated with incidences of cancer; however, correlation does not imply causation. Carbohydrate consumption is also correlated with incidences of cancer. Heart Attack incdience is correlated with shaving less frequently. Does that mean that shaving less causes heart attacks? No. How do we know that heart disease doesn't cause one to shave less? Dog tail chasing is linked to hypercholesterolemia. Does that mean that a high choelsterol is caused by tail chasing? No. How do we know that high cholesterol doesn't cause tail chasing?

Confusing cause and effect( or correlation and causation) has been a huge downfall for scientific researchers over the past 50 years or so.

And, unfortunately, the majority of studies published in nutritional research journals are observational due to their low cost and ease of conducting.

-Dev

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd

Originally posted by STFUPPERCUTTER


ya and after several million years some of us have decided to change.
dont be mad when ur knuckle dragging mouth breathing offspring get left behind

And do you think, evolutionarily speaking, that YOU have evolved over the course of your lifetime into a herbivore?

You haven't. The biochemical responces in your body are still very much in tune with their mouth breathing offspring.

-Dev

no, but ive sure adpted well to it.
feels good man.

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd

Originally posted by dzonatas

Humans are categorized as to have hands to make tools, like guns.

Hence, we are meant to pull a trigger and to kill.

You just justified Fort Hood as a fact of life we are to just accept as it is "meant to" be by your standards.

Edit: Some of us have human limits.

[edit on 9-11-2009 by dzonatas]

Ahhh yes. You're so much better than us.

If you truly believe that eating meat, which is a healthy choice for human beings, is the same as grabbing a gun and shooting multiple people based on religious/political upbringings, then you, sir/ma'am, have real problems and should be careful with your accusations.

How is eating meat making me sick when meat is devoid of carbohydrates, which cause Obesity and diabetes while contributing strongly to heart disease, all of which are "SICKnesses" that are atop the mortality list in America?

I understand that meat consumption is correlated with incidences of cancer; however, correlation does not imply causation. Carbohydrate consumption is also correlated with incidences of cancer. Heart Attack incdience is correlated with shaving less frequently. Does that mean that shaving less causes heart attacks? No. How do we know that heart disease doesn't cause one to shave less? Dog tail chasing is linked to hypercholesterolemia. Does that mean that a high choelsterol is caused by tail chasing? No. How do we know that high cholesterol doesn't cause tail chasing?

Confusing cause and effect( or correlation and causation) has been a huge downfall for scientific researchers over the past 50 years or so.

And, unfortunately, the majority of studies published in nutritional research journals are observational due to their low cost and ease of conducting.

-Dev

i dont know why you feel the need to try and drag others down to your level. if your feeling threatened by other peoples beliefs, i suggest you ask yourself why. jsut because you dont see the problem, or dont care to do anything about it, doesnt mean others are willign to sit idly and do nothing.
i think its great taht some of us have made an attempt to make the world a better place, go take ur negativity eslwhere. and cut back on taht red meat bro, its makign you pretty agressive.

dunno if i posted this, but the ancient greeks and Plato said :

a society that eats meat is a society that will need a lot of doctors.

i think thats pretty self explanatory. known as an accepted fact even back then.



and if you're gonna eat factory farmed chickens and pigs etc, then at the moment with the torture of these poor animals, its just like eating sugar brought about from the slave trade like the movie 'amazing grace' shows.

i once was lost
but now am found
was blind,
but now i see.


people wanted to eat sugar, and didnt care how it came to them or who got tortured along the way. then through the actions of some brave and persistent people, the whole society came to realize it had been WRONG in the cruelty to slaves that they had rights and feels too like any human.

one day society will realize this about its torture of millions of animals. i dont know when; but one day. and our childrens children will be sickened by what these generations allowed to be done to animals; and will barely be able to believe it. just like we now are sickened by the coniditons slaves were kept in in ships (if you know about it ).

Why do vegetarians bring the argument of torturing the poor animals? This seriously has nothing to do with the pros and cons of meat consumption.
Secondly, I have never once heard of a cow being tied to a chair and being shocked with high voltage until he talks. Torture is a word you guys love to use, however you're using it incorrectly. Killing an animal for food is not torture.

Originally posted by spinalremain
Why do vegetarians bring the argument of torturing the poor animals? This seriously has nothing to do with the pros and cons of meat consumption.
Secondly, I have never once heard of a cow being tied to a chair and being shocked with high voltage until he talks. Torture is a word you guys love to use, however you're using it incorrectly. Killing an animal for food is not torture.

cmon bro, your really grasping at straws here.
what word would you use to describe an animal born into captivity, kept in a cage with no room to move, forced to withstand summer heat and winters cold with no help, forcefed crap, living it its own poop and pee, then having its neck snapped or a bolt fired through its brain, having its blood drained and its parts removed mechanicly?
you are fail.

reply to post by STFUPPERCUTTER


No. You're deterring from the subject at hand and have played a major role in derailing this thread. If you'd like to discuss the ethics and meat consumption then feel free to start your own thread in. That, however, is not the discussion that was intended by the OP.

It's clear you have no idea the physiological effects of nutrient consumption, which explains why you've consistently ignored my posts and instead have attacked me personally.

You and Divenoroums will not garner anymore of my attention, as it's clear I'm wasting my time falling for your trolling tricks.

If you'd like to discuss something with me, like an adult, I'd be happy too. If you can turn your blatant, fact-devoid attacks into intelligent debate, then I'll engage in discussing the MATTER AT HAND. Until then, your posts are nothing but wasted bandwidth, to me.

-Dev

hey friend
i replied to multiple posts of yours with links directrly taken from various doctors and institutions of higher learning.
if you want to get technical, its you who has done nothing but avoid the FACTS.
but whatevers clever.
if you no longer wish to discuss this matter its fine with me, it became blatently obvious you were outwitted many posts ago, i expected nothing more at that time.
however, if you change your mind and actaulyl desire knowledge at a future date, im not above helping others take teh blindfolds off.
good luck with your journey, with a little luck and alot of work, you may someday develop into a human being that has the capacity to understand the world around you .
peace bro.

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
reply to post by STFUPPERCUTTER

 

You're deterring from the subject at hand and have played a major role in derailing this thread. If you'd like to discuss the ethics and meat consumption then feel free to start your own thread in. That, however, is not the discussion that was intended by the OP.

It's clear you have no idea the physiological effects of nutrient consumption, ...

And yet, quoted directly from the article:

"First in a list of four main risk factors was "increasing demand for animal protein," which is a way of saying that demand for meat, eggs, and dairy is a "primary factor" influencing emerging zoonotic diseases. This demand for animal products, the report continues, leads to "changes in farming practices." Lest we have any confusion about the "changes" that are relevant, poultry factory farms are singled out."

"Perhaps in the back of our minds we already understand, without all the science, that something terribly wrong is happening."

"We perhaps know more than we care to admit, keeping it down in the dark places of our memory -- disavowed."

"In the United States, about 3 million pounds of antibiotics are given to humans each year, but a whopping 17.8 million pounds are fed to livestock -- at least, that is what the industry claims. The Union of Concerned Scientists estimated that the industry underreported its antibiotic use by at least 40 percent. "

"Why aren't more people aware of, and angry about, the rates of avoidable food-borne illness?"

I think people feel personally-attacked when those that don't eat animals are infected by those that spread diseases by animal consumption, and so the tolerance eventually breaks and those that don't eat animals strike back in order to regain a healthier ground. They strike back before there is no optional left to gain a healthier ground. They don't want another super-bug just because meat eaters rather go through a fast food instead of out into the woods.

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You're right dzonatas, the thread got derailed. It's not about animal rights or the love of eating animal carcasses, it's really about laziness.

I'm a vegetarian exactly because of this societal problem. We consume too much meat, so much that corners are cut to keep up with demand. Whether you believe it's natural for us to eat meat or not, one thing is clear, cold hard cash drives the industry, not healthy choices for consumers.

In the end, people do whatever they want, but I would recommend stop feeding 'the beast'. Go get some local farm raised beef or hunt for rabbit. McDonald's has enough of our money.

Originally posted by STFUPPERCUTTER
meat is still murder though. so you only get half credit.

You are right, but vegetarianism is a worse form of murder, plants are also alive. Just because they don't cry when you poison them with fertilizers and destroy thousands of forests to make room for farmland, doesn't mean that you are not torturing them and killing innocent beings that produce the oxygen you breathe.

reply to post by Rawhemp

I see this thread has moved along a fair bit since last I looked but before I get round to reading it through, I thought I should address this fruity concern, to a perceived degree.

First I should say that I consider vegans to be highly moral people with ethical concerns, but I don't agree with their position in these moral matters.

Some of the Jains of India carry a brush with which to brush the ground before them, that they should not inadvertently step on an ant or other such small invertebrate, and accidently kill it. Other Jains wear face masks that they do not breath in microbial aerial organisms and thereby kill them.
On that basis I should stop showering regularly and washing the streptococcal bacteria who I host on my skin, down the plug hole, where they could perish.
Where up the chain of being do you say to yourself it is forbidden to kill another biological entity?
Ultimately I would apply that rule only to my own species, although I would try to respect all others as being part and parcel of the great chain of evolving being that is the Earth Biosphere: Ngaigaia: Ngai is the Masai Earth Mother Goddess, as is Gaia the Greek Earth Mother Goddess:
Combining the two has a pleasing poetic ring to my ears as well as being pleasing to my own individual metaphysical sense & sensibilty, so I would ask your indulgence there:
I should add here that whilst I believe it wrong to kill one of your own kind, if under attack thereto, then everybody has a justified right to self defence:

Orang utans ~ meaning 'Gentlemen of the Jungle' in Malay, I read somewhere long ago ~ perhaps just a poetic fancy!
Because of the relative scarcity of fruit in the rain forests of Borneo and Sumatra, I understand that orangs find it necessary to live mostly solitary lives: Although in zoos where we provide them with all the fruit they need they seem happy to coexist side by side.

Another question that pops up into my head when thinking about vegans is a concern as to what the Esquimaux, as some Inuit are called, think about it. I'm sure that if the vegans of the world were to send the Esquimaux baskets of fruit to eat they would enjoy the gift. I also think that they would insist that they need to eat animal flesh & blubber, if they are to stoke up their metabolism to the degree necessary to survive sub zero temperatures for much of the year, in lands of little or no vegetation.

Polarised 'Good & Bad' in a Bonobo primate organism:
The bonobo primate is in behavior, and on the face of it, a saintly creature.
However, it has to be said that I find their rear ends to be something of an embarrassment to adjust one's gaze to.
In terms of polarities I would say that human primates learn to accomodate perceived metaphysical good & bad polarities within their up & down chakra system:
Where bonobo primates are concerned however, this perceived 'good & bad' polarisation is more visually evident seemingly. It is as if being such saitly creatures, all the 'bad' in the bonobo has retreated to the rear end.
If anybody wants an embodied visualisation of a perceptual biological 'devil' then look to the bonobo rear end for a quintessential representation thereto, perhaps:
Like Janus?
We all have what can be perceived to interpretation good & bad instinctual impulses that need accomodation & harnessing within society:

If we are, as I believe, evolving into a cosmic consciousness species of primate humanoid ape, then we require all the past knowledge and modes of understanding, philosophical, theological, scientific, that contribute towards the attainment of stellar plasma fusion generated neutrinosynthesiser 'Holy Ghost' interstellar quantum leaping cosmic consciousness:
I stress the words modes of understanding over a perception as to modes of behavior, within a given environment:
Vegan good?
Vogon good?