Police: Gang rape outside school dance lasted over two hours

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by 27jd

 

I am willing to be ten bucks these were gang members. And if that is the case, this isn't about bad parenting or video games.

Which like someone else stated, if they are gang members, that is probably why no one responded and called help, for fear of being killed or family members being harrassed or killed.

She said none of the four officers who were at the homecoming dance was patrolling the school premises even though there were a dozen young men hanging out just a few feet from the gym entrance. She says school officials chose not to take any action.


"I looked outside of the gym and I saw 12 to 15 guys, sitting there, with no IDs," Baker said at the hearing. "The officers -- not only did they not check the IDs of those students or men sitting outside of of our campus, but the security officers who are employed here did no ... checking either. The assistant principal looked outside and actually saw those men, and did nothing about it."

It does look like the school is going to have to assume some responsibility.

Originally posted by Jovi1

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by 27jd

 

I am willing to be ten bucks these were gang members. And if that is the case, this isn't about bad parenting or video games.

What dream world does one have to live in to not realize that the root of the problem is bad parenting? Even if this were gang related that would be a solid indicator of a failure in the home to begin with.

Which like someone else stated, if they are gang members, that is probably why no one responded and called help, for fear of being killed or family members being harrassed or killed.

Yet you expect a teacher or administrator to risk their life to have done something? With what authority? That was taken away from them when we took away their ability discipline the children properly.

She said none of the four officers who were at the homecoming dance was patrolling the school premises even though there were a dozen young men hanging out just a few feet from the gym entrance. She says school officials chose not to take any action.


"I looked outside of the gym and I saw 12 to 15 guys, sitting there, with no IDs," Baker said at the hearing. "The officers -- not only did they not check the IDs of those students or men sitting outside of of our campus, but the security officers who are employed here did no ... checking either. The assistant principal looked outside and actually saw those men, and did nothing about it."

It does look like the school is going to have to assume some responsibility.

The school should bear some of the responsibility the question is how much of it is really theirs?

The part that makes this worse is you get the bubbleheaded pundits screaming why werent there security cameras installed? This so-called solution isn't a solution at all, it is as meaningless as metal detectors and security officers in the school. Which shouldn't be something you need in a school to begin with.

A pathetic attempt to treat a symptom of the disease is all any such measure can ever be because it never addresses the need for parents to be responsible when raising their children.

Originally posted by Jovi1

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by 27jd

 

I am willing to be ten bucks these were gang members. And if that is the case, this isn't about bad parenting or video games.

What dream world does one have to live in to not realize that the root of the problem is bad parenting? Even if this were gang related that would be a solid indicator of a failure in the home to begin with .

Of course it is bad parenting. But we are talking about parts of the country where there is a complete social breakdown. This isn't about parens not helping kids with their homework. This are the parents who are probably gang members themselves. I have seen these neighborhoods, trust me, the parents are just as bad. Except in teh cases where you have single mom working three jobs, and children join the gang for some time of "family". No one joins a gang unless they are emotionally desperate. This is far more then a parenting problem. I have watched interviews with gang members. * I find the psychology aspect of gangs interesting and trying to figure out the prone to violence) and despite the violence, guns, and history, they are the most insecure people inside, scared little children.

These parents can't teach the kids what they don't know. If the way of life is underage pregnancy and dad is in jail, that is their life. And getting out of that and into the house with the white picket fence is as feasible to them as me buying the eiffel tower. They don't know any other existence.

Which like someone else stated, if they are gang members, that is probably why no one responded and called help, for fear of being killed or family members being harrassed or killed.

Yet you expect a teacher or administrator to risk their life to have done something? With what authority? That was taken away from them when we took away their ability discipline the children properly.

With the authority of the police. All the AP had to do was go inside and make a call to swat and tell them that suspected member so and so is is on the premisis and leave it at that.

She said none of the four officers who were at the homecoming dance was patrolling the school premises even though there were a dozen young men hanging out just a few feet from the gym entrance. She says school officials chose not to take any action.


"I looked outside of the gym and I saw 12 to 15 guys, sitting there, with no IDs," Baker said at the hearing. "The officers -- not only did they not check the IDs of those students or men sitting outside of of our campus, but the security officers who are employed here did no ... checking either. The assistant principal looked outside and actually saw those men, and did nothing about it."

It does look like the school is going to have to assume some responsibility.

The school should bear some of the responsibility the question is how much of it is really theirs?.

This is what I am trying to find out. If indeed the same guys reported hanging outside the front door are the same guys who committed the rape, and the school knew they were there and did nothing, then the school has a whole heck of a lot of responsibility. What is the point of having security if they are too scared to do anything about it?

The part that makes this worse is you get the bubbleheaded pundits screaming why werent there security cameras installed? This so-called solution isn't a solution at all, it is as meaningless as metal detectors and security officers in the school. Which shouldn't be something you need in a school to begin with.

If you don't know these areas then you don't know why they need them. As someone who lives near some of the more sinister areas in the country, I can tell you they need them. In fact, one high school near me, the cops have to sit in front of all the conveinance stores and restaurants when schools let out to keep the kids from robbing them. Metal detectors and security are the least of their arsenel.

A pathetic attempt to treat a symptom of the disease is all any such measure can ever be because it never addresses the need for parents to be responsible when raising their children.

These neighborhoods need a complete breakdown and restructure.

My cousin was a teacher in one of these places. YOu have kindergarteners smashing the computer and writing swear words on the windows. This isn't a kid not having a healthy breakfast. Most would wear the same clothes everyday, and she would drive through the neighborhood at night and find them running the street at 11 at night. Mind you these kids are kindergarteners.

When she would approach the parents, all she woudl get is: I am 16 and have to work and have two other kids to worry about, what do you want me to do about it? Or they would get hostile. These kids wouldn't know their colors or numbers.She ended up physical therapy more then once from them attacking or hurting her. It is not every single one. But the good ones get drowned out or terrorized into silence by the bad.


If children actually do try to do well in school, they would get harrassed and teased and threatened to the point where they end up failing to fit in. That maybe what happened to this girl. It is situations like those that is the only time I would support school vouchers.