Police: Gang rape outside school dance lasted over two hours

You know what I just heard in a documentary?

Rural Alaska has one of the highest rates of sexual assault IN THE NATION!




Is this the fault of videogames? Progressives? Liberals?

Or.... fundamental human vice?

Hunka, it's because in rural Alaska your daily recreation choices are basically "rape people" and "throw rocks at polar bears."

No, seriously. It's probably because there's nothing to do there except get up to no good.

I like how people mention how women and girls dress these days. It has NOTHING to do with materialism or women's sexuality. It has to do with teaching young boys and men that disrespecting and abusing women is okay and acceptable.

Originally posted by mattifikation
Hunka, it's because in rural Alaska your daily recreation choices are basically "rape people" and "throw rocks at polar bears."

No, seriously. It's probably because there's nothing to do there except get up to no good.

Ermm so instead of horse riding, fishing, hiking, sports ..boys and men sexually brutalising women or girls is due to having nothing better to do?? :shk:

You must have a very low view of the male psyche if you think rape is a natural reaction to boredom.

[edit on 29-10-2009 by riley]

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RE: chemical castration of pedophiles

I've been involved in seeing that carried out as a unit director for a unit full of people with serious problems like this, and it doesn't always work, plus there are ethical considerations, like, depo shots can seriously mess up the cardiac system. That might seem like a non-issue to most, but medical professionals that have to order the medicine and give the shots are sworn to 'first do no harm' so it becomes a very big issue.

[edit on 29-10-2009 by hadriana]

This is simply awful and I'm choosing not to read the full article, hopefully justice is served on these demented pathetic excuse for human beings. Sorry, this is just a little too sick and quite honestly I'm shocked that CNN covered it. On a side note, this has made front page CNN for days now. Does anyone else find it odd that while Obama's puppet masters are running the show behind closed doors our media is covering a story such as this 24/7? My prayers go out to her and her family and I am not down-playing this story by any means.. I just find it a little strange that it's still front page news while we're technically still in a "state of emergency".

Originally posted by riley
I do not agree. ALL rape.. especially aggrevated pack rapes are more about violence and conquest than sex.
[edit on 29-10-2009 by riley]

I was going to expand my statement with more information but decided not to delve, but why not. You have to ask why they join gangs? Like you stated, they seek a male bonding. They are outcasts in a sense and have to join an organization or group that attests to be their brotherhood no matter what. Once you join you are one of them and they are one of you, a team. That is the repurcussion of joining a gang, you get the connection you desire with the price of having to be a brother in times you'd possibly disagree with it. Violence can be achieved in many ways, so can the joys of degrading people if that is your thing. You don't sit around with your penis hard in your hand waiting to go next while a group of guys is there because you've got options. It becomes an opportunity to you and peer pressure pushed you that far so you take it thinking you won't get caught. Which gets to the heart of why most crimes take place.

If you had the power to be invisible and go around having sex with any woman on the planet, would you? If it were guaranteed by God, the president, and the bank that if you robbed it and took all the federally insured money you wanted and you wouldn't get caught, would you rob it? It's where your options meet your needs. If you were told the bank had only $5,000 in it and you had $100 million, you suddenly might find something better to do than plan a bank robbery. If you have a beautiful girlfriend or wife, a young daughter, a close relationship with women in your life, would you rape the woman knowing you wouldn't get caught? You are talking about something that crosses another line in ethics.

There are a lot of criminals with a moral code throughout history.

I also think you are denying the basic human need of sex and are trying to somehow replace it with the need to degrade people which is not a basic need. Even in consensual gang sex situations, the guys often think the same thing. The girl is a slut who is just getting what she REALLY wants deep down. There is no thought for the psychological effect because who doesn't enjoy sex? It's not like they are cutting her while they are doing it, they are just having natural sex with her. Maybe she'll have multiple orgasms. If 20 women held me down and took turns having sex with me in a natural way, I wouldn't complain. I think that is the mentality here. It's getting the sex that they feel women have been unfairly holding back from them and that they somehow feel they are entitled to and justified in receiving. It's due to a complete lack in their life. The biggest connection if anything is the mutual agreement among these men that they have no problem of sticking their penis inside a crying screaming woman after a group of other guys have just been inside. It's a grotesque act of sexual desperation.

In fact many men share that same sentiment about women, I hear it all the time. They don't rape them but they do degrade them. Women are often highly degraded in our society. If women were allowed to fully explore their sexuality without being called whores, there would be many more happy men out there. And many more marriages. In fact I'll argue right here that most marriages are between two people who have found someone they can have regular ongoing sex with and get along with.

[edit on 29-10-2009 by Colopatiron]

sadly, it makes me want to just keep dressing more and more matronly....

It is in NO WAY a girls fault for what she wears, but I am starting to feel the way I dress as a means of self defense......

Like it definatly wouldn't ever be "cool" for a bunch of guys to go after me if I am looking as dorky as possible I guess......

That poor girl is wrecked for life....

Originally posted by ColopatironIt's getting the sex that they feel women have been unfairly holding back from them and that they somehow feel they are entitled to and justified in receiving. It's due to a complete lack in their life. The biggest connection if anything is the mutual agreement among these men that they have no problem of sticking their penis inside a crying screaming woman after a group of other guys have just been inside. It's a grotesque act of sexual desperation.

The sense of entitlement I think comes from when men owned women when they married them.. even ugly men got women because the women/girls rejecting them was not an issue because they often had no say and marriages were business transactions. Sexual desperation? No.. it's about the male ego and the urge to conquer a woman being associated with being a "real man". It is still a patriarchal society and women are still often seen as mere commodities.

In fact many men share that same sentiment about women, I hear it all the time. They don't rape them but they do degrade them. Women are often highly degraded in our society.

Again I think that goes back to the old ideal of owning women. Men cannot (legally) own women anymore so society has learnt to dis-empower them in other ways.

If women were allowed to fully explore their sexuality without being called whores, there would be many more happy men out there. And many more marriages.

Actually I agree with this but probably not for the same reasons. If men had more healthier views on women they would be more likely to form healthy relationships with them.

[edit on 29-10-2009 by riley]

Oh jeez, women dress like women with some skin showing every DAY and men don't rape them. There's thousands of Brittany Spears wannabes out there, and women in stillettos - they don't get raped.

They don't encourage healthy normal men to rape.

I just read this was a little churchgoing girl - she sounded like a girl that was trying TRYING to be a GOOD girl in a place that had way too much evil stink.
She was probably...different. She probably respected herself a bit more than THEY did, so they had to punish her for it.

These people...are not normal. We every day women cannot go changing our lives and our clothes because of what a few sick, minority terrorists do. If we do, they've WON! They have effectively 'put us in our place' and terrorized us.

Did you see that perps picture they posted? His eyes look dead and predatory like a sharks!

I'd like to know if there was a woman among the 20. It would not surprise me. Women are the world's WORST about 'socializing' other women to stay down. We want our girls to be 'good little girls.'

That place sounds infested. One thing to do for an infestation of rats like that - get rid of them so you can live in peace.

I gotta say this too.....cause I am a big mouth.

I am tired of seeing and hearing comments like

"this girl is damaged for life"
"this girl is wrecked for life"

What is that? Is that like the old idea of a girl being 'damaged goods' if she wasn't a virgin? Cause really, it has those same connotations. Is she gonna be a victim for life?

She might indeed have problems for life, but more women - and boys and girls and men too - live to survive rape and beatings and don't let it get the best of them.

I refuse to give her a sentence of shame on top of the victimization she's just had. This little lady is going to recover and she's going to see these idiots put away, because OBVIOUSLY she IS a survivor.

If there was ever a case to form a posse and administer some real justice, Justice that a court could never deliver, this is it.

I for one would stand side by side with the victims avengers and settle this attrocity in a manner befitting the perpetrators crimes, and if and when someone intervened, Likewise, that or those persons would, in my opinion be accessories after the fact.

The sorry state of affairs regarding values and morals has been systematically promoted through legislation and manipulation to the point that there are fewer and fewer family units with both parental figures and thus, lack of direction by any but those (authoritative) agencies governing most aspects of life both as a parent and as a child raised in todays society. Along with the snowballing disfunction in the family unit, the toxic affect of mass media and it's lowered ethical standards does nothing but embed into the lives of children a definite lack of values that in the recent past would have violated FCC standards, but now is not only accepted, but propagated by what once were the most prestigous companies throughout the land.

It is an abomination what happened here and not only of those involved and those who stood by allowing this unimaginal crime spree to proceed uninhibited for such a God-awful length of time, but there is an equally shared blame that should be presented to a grand jury involving those Chaperoning

Chaperon \Chap"er*on\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Chaperoned; p. pr.
& vb. n. Chaperoning.] [Cf. F. chaperonner, fr. chaperon.]
To attend in public places as a guide and protector;

And the culpability of the School and all employed or accepting the responsibility to act as faculty overseeing the homecoming is as horrid as if they too were a party to this destructive event.

I cannot fathom that not one official with responsibility towards the attending participants and to safety in general seemingly had not a clue.

My heart-felt sympathy lies heavily with this family and I pray that their sorrow, anger, helplessness and grief will relent to a tomorrow where smiles can again be expressed amoungst the folks that now must stand together for the sake of all.

I also believe the law, if in fact is hand-tied regarding those voyeurs because of the victims age should have, at the very minimum, a clause to extend charges for a crime of this magnitude.

Prison? Give me a break. I am not one to condemn, but there is a point where the line does not exist, and this group perpetrating and/or allowing this crime spree, like the line these subhumans advanced beyond, should be erased.

I know some tree huggers and anti-violence boot lickers will keep their resolve, and at that I wonder, does this mean soullessness exists in both extremes?

In a perfect world it would not.
Moreover, this would never have happened, those overseeing the event would have been responsible and done their duty dutifully, and no one would ever have to use a lock as there would be no crime.

Special regards and prayers to the victim and family.

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Luckily this was not a honor killing or you would see Islamic system getting gang raped from four sides like that poor girl.

Hopefully Westerners discuss this issue and realize something, if anything.

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wow

which country?

in Iran they HANG rapists

news.bbc.co.uk...

and quickly - no , 20 years on `death row` - within a week or 2 of the judgement.

Originally posted by hadriana
I gotta say this too.....cause I am a big mouth.

I am tired of seeing and hearing comments like

"this girl is damaged for life"
"this girl is wrecked for life"

What is that? Is that like the old idea of a girl being 'damaged goods' if she wasn't a virgin? Cause really, it has those same connotations. Is she gonna be a victim for life?

She might indeed have problems for life, but more women - and boys and girls and men too - live to survive rape and beatings and don't let it get the best of them.

I refuse to give her a sentence of shame on top of the victimization she's just had. This little lady is going to recover and she's going to see these idiots put away, because OBVIOUSLY she IS a survivor.

Those comments in no way are reflective on how people are going to view her in terms of her moral standing, that much should be purely clear. It isn't a sentence of shame being put on her. The fact of it is she is now emotionally damaged and will be for a very long time if not for the rest of her life. Anyone that has spent any time talking to a rape victim would know this. She will survive and things will improve little by little but she will always be scarred from this, quite possibly irreparably.

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Only 15 bystanders? Pikers...

Footy club 'in meltdown' over pack-rape claims

theAge.com.au

A suburban football club at the centre of pack rape allegations is in "meltdown" after three of its junior players were charged with the alleged sex assault at Phillip Island.

A club insider said Montmorency Football Club was shocked and devastated by the allegations of a brutal attack on two women during an end-of-season football trip earlier this month.
...
Police said that some of the young men met the two women at a hotel and invited them to a party at the house in Cowes. The women arrived to discover 30 men there.

It was alleged that the women were ushered into separate bedrooms and that wardrobes were pushed across the doors to stop them from escaping, before they were repeatedly assaulted.

The women were able to escape the next morning when a brawl broke out among the youths.

Detective Sergeant Jason Walsh, from the sexual crimes squad, told the court that the trip to Phillip Island had been organised by members of Montmorency’s under-19 team.

we give too much responsibility to law enforcement and the judicial system

frankly speaking if that was a girl in my family all involved would be dead by now

no if ands or buts and that absolutely includes those who stood by and watched

thats why this type of thing keeps happening across the world, because the proper actions are not taken after the event

i bet if people who did this ended up having videos of them being tortured after doing what they did and then murdered i bet the next person to even think about doing something so atrocious would at least think twice before performing such a vile act


teenagers or not, at that age you damn well know better then that, and if you are that ignorant to not know thats wrong then too damn bad the world will be better off without people that ignorant anyways


i personally say the family should take serious action, i know damn well i would

if that was me there would be no one left to arrest because they would all be dead

yea maybe id go to jail for the rest of my life, but at least the people involved wouldve gotten what was coming to them and maybe people in the future would not perform such actions


i understand why we dont allow vigilantism but sometimes the rules need to be broken


to those who say leave it up to the police

WHY?!


you wanna know where all the people who did this will be in 10-15 years, right back on the streets younger then 40 years old, doing it all over again, its statistical fact people like that dont get rehabbed in jail, thats why we have all those registration and tracking laws in place that dont work


situations like this... forget jail forget court, kill the bastards whether they are wealthy poor white or black, kill em

We have laws for a reason.
It seems hard sometimes to trust them with carrying out justice.

Especially these days.

If I were being judged though, I'd hope to have an impartial court and not an angry vengeful mob.

I understand why the mob would come into existence in a case like this though.

Teenagers are not developed ethically or morally and often display these atavistic traits.

It is ridiculous to assume that they will behave themselves.

What is unbelievable is that this occurred on the school grounds and no one found out except others who watched and participated.

I hope the person who was raped is returned to health and restored to humanity.

I hope the ones who perpetrated the crime are dealt with in as severly and as harshly a manner as possible and I would hope that this would be a clarion call to all who look to youth for answers.

Youth, are left to their own devices all to often. they should not be. They are not capable of governing themselves accordingly and this is revelatory of a larger underlying social problem.

Originally posted by LadySkadi
Just to clear up a possible misconception...

I agree that responsibility lies squarely w/the ones' involved (at least one is over the age of 18 though it appears most were 14-15...)

So. Sad.

SFGate

Thank you for the information you added. It somewhat changes the perspective of things in that it wasn't on the front lawn of the school.

Iwould like to add one comment to the readers of this thread in general, though. I have seen comments alluding to this being about "male needs", human nature, and other absurdities.

Rape is not sexual, it is an act of violence and control. In reality, rape is committed with anger and hate, not lust, love, or sexual desire.

As was displayed in the post I am replying to, rape is a premeditated crime, and each of the actors in this crime should be criminally penalized as such. This was done with criminal intent to harm by all involved.

Those that watched participted by proxy, and in most states, correct me if I am wrong, failing to report a crime can make you as guilty as if you had committed it, and able to be charged and tried in a court of law as such.

The one above 18 should face child molestation charges, as well as contributing to the deliquency of minors, as I am sure he was more than likely the leader, or the one that ordered the luring. An aspiring attorney could probably even get a good conspiracy charge to stand in this.

All of them should be classified as sexual predators, and tried and convicted as adults if found guilty, otherwise it will be nothing more than a mere slap on the wrist and little, if any, jail time. Not to mention, expungeable.

And for my opinion as to the cause? Gang mentality. I don't mean gang as in Bloods, etc. I mean gang as in mob/gang, much like passerby that get caught up in a riot. Some stand by and watch, others participate, and some leave.