Obama Declares National Medical Emergency on H1N1 Flu

Originally posted by endisnighe
Actually I would have to do a little checking, but I think pneumonia is a big killer. It is usually what kills people that have immunological disorders. Even cases like cancer the patient usually dies from things like pneumonia.

The pneumonia comes on afterwards, when your system is weak, I believe.

ARDS and the "cytokine storm" are the two things to watch out for.

This whole scenario reminds me of what the video game people do. Release a system like Wii with lots of hype, but only release a very small amount. That way people are ready to camp out at stores when it is released in mass, creating a herd effect.

Originally posted by wonderworld
If they refuse to test,, demand Tamiflu and keep the fever down and lots of liquids. It's not that bad. My daughter also has an underlying health condition. She got better before my son did. ODD.

My friends wife has the cough and body aches. That's it. They wouldn't test, and no tamiflu. They said it's for those with other lung issues (asthma, etc).

Glad your kids are doing fine.

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Since you brought it up, I figure I will put down the info.

Cytokine Storm

At all times, white blood cells circulate in the bloodstream and are the first to sense if a virus or bacteria has infiltrated the body. Immediately, our body sends immune cells, including T-cells and macrophages, to attack the infection. During this stage, our immunity functions properly, and immune cells attack the microbes so they do not get too strong a foothold in our lungs.

For reasons not completely known, too many immune cells can be sent to the infection site. This happens when a particular type of molecule in the body, known as cytokines, activate the immune cells at the infection site and cause more immune cells to flood the site of infection. This propagates what is referred to as a cytokine storm where far too many immune cells are caught in an endless loop of calling more and more immune cells to fight the infection. The cytokine storm ends up inflaming the tissue surrounding the infection.

www.wisegeek.com...

What Is ARDS?

ARDS, or acute respiratory distress syndrome, is a lung condition that leads to low oxygen levels in the blood. ARDS can be life threatening. This is because your body's organs, such as the kidneys and brain, need oxygen-rich blood to work properly.

ARDS usually occurs in people who are very ill with another disease or who have major injuries. Most people are already in the hospital when they develop ARDS.

www.nhlbi.nih.gov...


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Originally posted by endisnighe
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The thing is they are no longer testing for it in most areas. They are just saying if people show up with the symptoms they have it. And look what this excellent work they are doing. The government and media fear mongers are only spreading the panic.

So much for trust in government.

Yes I heard the same. They know it is HIN1, the advantage of testing is youre stree free after you get it and survive. Even though theyve slowed down on testing I heard they will treat any with the symptoms with Tamiflu. The pediatric doses are in a global decline. My pharmacy had to "compound" the pediatric kind, the old fashioned way.

My daughter is forbidden to take the live nasal mist kind. People who take that vaccine are contagious for 21 days. So this will ensure that EVERYONE will catch it.

Our local school has barely any attendence. Most kids have been home sick last week. Closing the schools wouldnt work.

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You also need to read all the stars and by the numbers. Read everything. There are only 411 deaths from just the flu alone that were tested.
It sounds like the 2,000 is not fully confirmed according to what I am reading. It is just based any flu illnesses. Some could be lab tested while others may not be.
The CDC agent just told me that 45,000 people die per year from the regular flu.
You really have to read it carefully because the way the word can be tricky.
Pnuemonia deaths per year 55,000 per year. 18.5 per 100,000 in a population.
We have 300 million people who live in the United States and lets say 1/3 of those have had the H1N1 so that is 100 million people. Lets say out of all the deaths listed 2000 are actually h1N1. That is .002 mortality rate? Is my math right? Well it is less than 1% regardless.

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by wonderworld
If they refuse to test,, demand Tamiflu and keep the fever down and lots of liquids. It's not that bad. My daughter also has an underlying health condition. She got better before my son did. ODD.

My friends wife has the cough and body aches. That's it. They wouldn't test, and no tamiflu. They said it's for those with other lung issues (asthma, etc).

Glad your kids are doing fine.

It's that dang fever the doctors want to see. If you dont have a fever the Tamiflu doesnt work. I went in a week after the fever but had the sore throat, headache and body ache. They didnt treat me either.

What is odd though is my other child was put on Tamiflu without any symptoms. I'm waiting before giving it to her. She isnt a bit sick yet.

My doctor said that snce my fever was over a week ago, Tamiflu wouldnt work anyways. They use it to treat during the first 48 hours of the fever for it to be effective.

Sorry, typos typing to fast.

Most everyone will survive without Tamiflu. I forgot the name of the stuff but it is an herbal anti-viral that I ordered and stuck away in my emergency kit. You can find it at vitacost.com. It's an anti-viral .

This whole things reeks. Please I urge you to educate yourself now because if people do start dying it may very well be from the vaccines or lumping other illnesses together to keep us scared.

Originally posted by dreamseeker
This whole things reeks. Please I urge you to educate yourself now because if people do start dying it may very well be from the vaccines or lumping other illnesses together to keep us scared.

Do you want to hear something weird? Our doctor said we must still get vaccinated, even though the tests came back possitive for 2 of my kids.

We know we cant catch the same virus twice. My doctor said we need it because it will come back in the Spring. I would assume the vaccine wouldnt be effective if that were the case, or the flu mutates during this period. It doesnt add up.

OH NO..... JUST SAW IT ON DANISH NEWS. WE HAVE BEEN PREDICTING THIS ALLMOST ACCURATLY. I AM SORRY YOU GUYS FROM THE STATES, I AM SORRY. I WILL BE FOLLOWING ON A DAILY BASIS. AND SPREAD THE WORD HERE. LOVE AND LIGHT.

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Yes the confirmed cases are innacurate. Our tests were sent to PAML lab because the doctor said 10% of all H1N1 tests come back as a false negative.

Think of all those people who should have been treated and were contagious.

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I keep reminding myself it is flu season anyways so people will be getting sick. Always remember the statistics of how many people die of the flu and/or pnuemonia. If they start to go over those stats than there may be something to worry about.
To put it into prospective even more; 3,750 people die per month if you divide the number by 12 from the regular flu. 4583 from pnuemonia per month. Those stats alone can sound alarming but that is still only around 1% per year. Regular flu has a 1% mortality rate!

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Originally posted by mrsdudara
reply to post by crw2006

 

2,416 deaths from August 30 - October 17th from Pneumonia and influenza.

That sounds like a lot to me.

Well its not enough to call a state of emergency

for example during that time (on average in the US)

85,500 people died from heart disease
70,000 people died from cancer
8,900 people died from diabetes

So why not declare a national emergency on type II diabetes or clogged arteries? Maybe because they don't cater to a billion dollar untapped vaccine industry in an economy desperate for job creation and new markets. This isnt for declaring martial law or taking your children away. Its about making money the only way these people know how: misery and destruction. Its a habitual answer to a recurring economic problem.

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Good point about a national emergency for diabetes. What I see is that now the president is holding the US in the palm of his hands. This is not a state emergency that we asked for. I predict next is martial law. During martial law our constitution is null and void,, we have ZERO rights or protection.

Then we may get all those weird executive orders that allow them to take our food like.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990
allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995
allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997
allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998
allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999
allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000
allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001
allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002
designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003
allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004
allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005
allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051
specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

www.libertyforlife.com...

Ok so what exactly happens in a National Medical Emergency? The CDC has no clue because it is a government thing not a cdc regulation.
Wow ok so I see you answered my question before I asked it. LOL what are you psychic. That is scary!

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I think before they declare martial law, they'll use Ex Order 10995 and take control of communications media, i.e. the internet.

Originally posted by wonderworld

Originally posted by dreamseeker
This whole things reeks. Please I urge you to educate yourself now because if people do start dying it may very well be from the vaccines or lumping other illnesses together to keep us scared.

Do you want to hear something weird? Our doctor said we must still get vaccinated, even though the tests came back possitive for 2 of my kids.

We know we cant catch the same virus twice. My doctor said we need it because it will come back in the Spring. I would assume the vaccine wouldnt be effective if that were the case, or the flu mutates during this period. It doesnt add up.

Your doc is reading from the official BigGov script. They only know what they are told about H1N1. My doctor admitted to me he had an aunt who contracted the syndrome from the swine flu shot in 1976, when I asked him about his feelings on the shot. Take 4000 units of vitamin D3 per day and build youe immune system, is my suggestion.

Originally posted by wonderworld
My daughter is forbidden to take the live nasal mist kind. People who take that vaccine are contagious for 21 days. So this will ensure that EVERYONE will catch it.

It's only for four hours, and you somehow get it into your system by having the person that took the mist sneeze on you, or you pick their nose

Originally posted by dreamseeker
Ok so what exactly happens in a National Medical Emergency? The CDC has no clue because it is a government thing not a cdc regulation.

Wow ok so I see you answered my question before I asked it. LOL what are you psychic. That is scary!

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There is no difference in a medical national emergency. This is as bad as you can get when our president declares a NATIONAL emergency.

It works the same as a financial collapse, it doesnt matter the cause of the law. I have seen my hospital overfilled and believe this stuff to a point but I also know there is another reason. There may be some economic panic ready to blow. This way troops would already be on US soil when SHTF.

It seems like they came up with a good scam.

There is more to it than the flu.

Its true we have no protections from the government but we do have each other to protect us. Everyone who knows that these executive orders exist is one more person to count on if anything bad does happen. Everyone knows these orders are unconstitutional, unjust and inhumane. They wipe away hundreds of years of protections that the poor have worked to gain.

But I ask, why would we think that a couple sentences in a dusty old document couldn't be undone by clever social manipulators? Of course they'd give themselves all the old powers they used to have. From people arrogant enough to want to be powerful, we must expect it!

They can only take these rights away if we, as a group of supposedly powerless people, ALLOW these rights to be taken away. Since most people, especially conspiracy theorists, are convinced they are powerless in the face of government it should be pretty easy for them.

We must realize that WE are the powerful. The government needs us, not the other way around! Money, government and even social norms are imaginary ideas that we make concrete through the power of belief.

So what if the government comes after us. We still have each other right? Its all we've ever had!