Obama Declares National Medical Emergency on H1N1 Flu

reply to post by mrsdudara


For clarification from cdc website

Will tracking of 2009 H1N1 hospitalizations and deaths after August 30 be the same as it was in the spring and summer?

No, tracking of 2009 H1N1 hospitalizations and deaths will not be the same after August 30, 2009. In an effort to add additional structure to the national 2009 H1N1 reporting, new case definitions for influenza-associated hospitalizations and deaths were implemented on August 30, 2009. The new definitions allow states to report to CDC hospitalizations and deaths (either confirmed OR probable) resulting from all types of influenza, not just those from 2009 H1N1 flu. This is a broader set of data than states were previously reporting as it now includes 1) laboratory-confirmed influenza for all types of influenza, and 2) pneumonia and influenza cases identified from hospital records, most of which will not be laboratory confirmed.

So you see any deaths from all types of influenza confirmed or probable are counted! So yes these cases are vastly over hyped and over stated.

SUMMATION

As there is so much information out there, much of it conflicting, here's some of what I've gleened over the last few months. Also, see the two threads in my sig line: one mine, one is someone else's. What I'm posting here is just informational, not trying to be all emotional on ya or sway you one way or the other.

Firstly, here are the ingredients for the H1N1 vaccine.
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I've been back and forth from "I'd kill before I'd let that vaccine into my body" to "It's not so bad; get it if you want it (but I'm not)"

The most controversial aspect of the vaccine is the Squalene. Some studies say it causes immune issues in lab animals but supposedly the exact same amount of Squalene, 10.68 mg, has been given to over 20 million Europeans in Fluad (by Chiron Pharm) over the last decade. I get the 20 million 'fact' from the World Health Organization website.

As for the viral genetic part of the vaccine, we have no idea if this is harmful or not. It's a mix of over a dozen genetic components from half a dozen different types of animals: swine, bird, human, dog, horse, among others. [Page 4, Patent application ]

There are certainly some spooky aspects to the H1N1 vaccine.
1) German military and government people are getting a version of the vaccine that does not include some of the adjuvants (see bottom link in sig line).

2) Baxter International, the patent holder for the vaccine, created the vaccine before the virus was ever publically known about! A full 8 months before it showed up in Mexico, Baxter had already filed the Patent Application. This is not automatically a nefarious action; it could have just been very good science and business foresight, especially given the 2004 proposals by Obama, Kennedy and others to start looking into global pandemics.

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Concerning today's news - when the World Health Organization made H1N1 a Level 6 Pandemic many months ago we lost all our rights at that time. They, at that time, had the authority to enter our homes without a warrant, give us the vaccine without our permission, and if we refused we were subject to a $250,000 USD fine! Not surprisingly most people didn't take it seriously then.



[edit on 24-10-2009 by notreallyalive]

Great, now turkeys can get the swine flu.

Aug. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Two Chilean poultry farms are under quarantine after swine flu was detected in turkeys, the first case of the virus found in birds, the nation’s health ministry and U.S. health officials said.
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The flu was identified after workers noticed a drop in egg production, said Jay Butler, director of the H1N1 task force for the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. The genetic makeup of H1N1 enables the virus to be carried in birds, he said. While the infections aren’t surprising, he said scientists are concerned the virus may combine with the H5N1 bird flu virus, which kills half the humans that get it.

www.bloomberg.com...

This whole swine flu thing smells like a big turkey to me.

Hello, all. I have been a lurker here for awhile now, and this is my first post. Please bear with me.

I've felt that this endgame was inevitable for years, but I truly prayed that this moment would not come. I sooo wanted to be wrong. It is time for all of us to ask ourselves one simple question.

Where is that line in the sand?

I've wrestled with this question for the last couple of years. I have yet to decide. It is not a question to be answered lightly. Civil disobedience will only work if TPTB remain "civil" themselves. You will pay with your life when they decide to become uncivilized, whether you are civil or not. However, if you decide to become "uncivilized" first (by their definition) , then you give them the rope with which to hang you in the gallows of Public Opinion.

I am sure that most of you are familiar with the "boiling the frog" concept. The temperature has being rising for nearly a decade now. Are we amphibians, oblivious to the danger? Or are we humans who are suddenly becoming aware that it is getting rather warm in this "melting pot"?

I urge my fellow americans to pray on this subject, or meditate, or whatever it is you do when making life-altering decisions. The world as we know it is in it's dying throes. Riding the fence and remaining neutral are no longer options. Heck, if I had my way, I wouldn't have anything to do with any of it; but we all know how ignorant and irresponsible that would be.

"The hottest spot in hell is reserved for those who, in times of crisis, preserve their neutrality."--Dante

I have been guilty of this myself; but I, like most folks, have no desire to reside in hell. I am not advocating violence, and I will not start a fight. I will walk away if at all possible. However, I pray that my aggressors will leave me be.

As I have said above, I've felt this coming for years...nearly 20 to be exact, and I am only in my 30's. May God help us.

"Something wicked this way comes."

P.S.--I still earnestly hope that I am wrong.



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[edit on 24-10-2009 by ZeroShift]

So anything that someone dies from that is a flu or flu related will be counted regardless if it is H1N1?
Why are they trying so hard to scare us? To control us?
The problem is if you don't have hard numbers how do you know what the real mortality rate is? You can only guess? I hate playing guessing games when it comes to health.
I only hope we NEVER have something like the boubonic plague, small pox ebola here in the USA widespread. Boy the government really would have us in a bind then. If no one knows what the hell is going on; then the whole country would be doomed!

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I will say it again, what crisis will these people not use to further their agenda. Hell, just popped back in from The Huffington Post. (I like to keep an eye on what they talk about over their) I would say about half of them are not falling for the "Emergency". Of course the blind Obama followers would rejoice if Obama set up prison camps. They would rejoice in throwing Americans in prison.

Some are actually trying to blame it on the Repubs, Cheney and Bush. When will they wake up to the Paradigm?

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Welcome to the matrix Zero. C'mon in and see what's happening. Get your ticket for the show.

I always love using that. Yes, the government is doing something. We all just wish we knew what the hell is going on.

reply to post by crw2006


Awesome, I went back and they did add that.

Here is a link.... CDC

Bold by me

Pneumonia and Influenza Hospitalization and Death Tracking:
This new system was implemented on August 30, 2009, and replaces the weekly report of laboratory confirmed 2009 H1N1-related hospitalizations and deaths that began in April 2009. Jurisdictions can now report to CDC either laboratory confirmed or pneumonia and influenza syndromic-based counts of hospitalizations and deaths resulting from all types or subtypes of influenza, not just those from 2009 H1N1 influenza virus. To allow jurisdictions to implement the new case definition, counts were reset to zero on August 30, 2009. From August 30 – October 17, 2009, 8,204 laboratory-confirmed influenza associated hospitalizations, 411 laboratory-confirmed influenza associated deaths, 21,823 pneumonia and influenza syndrome-based hospitalizations, and 2,416 pneumonia and influenza syndrome-based deaths, were reported to CDC. CDC will continue to use its traditional surveillance systems to track the progress of the 2009-10 influenza season.

2,416 deaths from August 30 - October 17th from Pneumonia and influenza.

That sounds like a lot to me.

reply to post by mrsdudara


Actually I would have to do a little checking, but I think pneumonia is a big killer. It is usually what kills people that have immunological disorders. Even cases like cancer the patient usually dies from things like pneumonia.

Good find!

I just spoke with the CDC they told me that it means any flu or pnuemonia syndromes are linked together.
I suggest everyone goto the CDC web site. I Just had a CDC agent hang up on me because I was asking too many questions.

reply to post by mrsdudara


Yeah did a quick google found this also from CDC.

Cause of death rank: 7th leading cause of death in 1999 and 2000 is "pneumonia/influenza" (CDC)

Deaths from Pneumonia: 61,777 people died from pneumonia each year in the US 2001 (Deaths: Final data for 2001, NCHS, CDC)

This whole idea of declaring an emergency and encouraging masses of people to flock to the local vaccination location seems awfully dangerous. The safest way to avoid an illness is not to be exposed to it. Obviously not everyone can do that due to their occupations or environment (school, living situation, etc.), but to have hundreds or thousands of people gathering is just going to increase the chances of the virus spreading. The CDC should be telling people to stay home, avoid contact with those who may be sick, and to give special attention to their diets in order to bolster immune systems. I haven't been sick in years, and if I am forced to go get vaccinated only to wind up being infected, I'll place complete blame on the government, CDC, and pharmaceutical industry.

reply to post by dreamseeker


Well you do know that you work for the government. The government does not for work for you. /s

When dealing with any government component, I have three rules. Believe 10% of what they show you, 3% of what they tell you and always keep a firm grip on your wallet.

Oh but wait it goes on to say...

Laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated hospitalizations are monitored using a population-based surveillance network that includes the 10 Emerging Infections Program (EIP) sites (CA, CO, CT, GA, MD, MN, NM, NY, OR and TN) and 6 new sites (IA, ID, MI, ND, OK and SD).

They dont even count my state???

and...

During week 41, 6.9% of all deaths reported through the 122-Cities Mortality Reporting System were due to P&I. This percentage was above the epidemic threshold of 6.6% for week 41. Including week 41, P&I mortality has been above threshold for three consecutive weeks.

So are they back to useing the 122 city reporting system already??? I am so confused.

Regarding a few posts above this... Pneumonia kills so many with influenza because the flu virus puts so much strain on their immune system that they cannot fend off the pneumonia infection. The same thing often happens with older folks. They get sick or are fighting off something like cancer, then they get pneumonia and that is as much or more than their bodies can handle.

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That was the biggest warning they gave me for my son. They said they were worried more about the pneumonia that follows the swine flu more than they were the H1N1 itself. Apparently, the H1N1 even though it seems mild, leaves weak spots in your lungs.

Originally posted by Bad Dog
Our daughter, goes by the name Cookie Doodle here has a flu. We don't know if it's 'that' flu. They wont' test. She has asthma and so my wife is keeping a close eye on her. Her fever has been bouncing between 103 - normal for 4 days.

If your daughter has a fever, sore throat, couph. the probability is 99.9% sure she has H1N1. Our doctor said all flu's are all Swine flu, that not one case of seasonal flu has came in yet. We had our tests at PAML lab, they will send your daughters test there.

The are only sending dead or hospitalized patients tests to CDC.

I'm sure your daughter will be fine. My 16 and 7 year old are recovering from it. Their fevers are gone and they can return to school Monday.

If they refuse to test,, demand Tamiflu and keep the fever down and lots of liquids. It's not that bad. My daughter also has an underlying health condition. She got better before my son did. ODD.

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The thing is they are no longer testing for it in most areas. They are just saying if people show up with the symptoms they have it. And look what this excellent work they are doing. The government and media fear mongers are only spreading the panic.

So much for trust in government.

Originally posted by John_Q_Llama
This whole idea of declaring an emergency and encouraging masses of people to flock to the local vaccination location seems awfully dangerous. The safest way to avoid an illness is not to be exposed to it. Obviously not everyone can do that due to their occupations or environment (school, living situation, etc.), but to have hundreds or thousands of people gathering is just going to increase the chances of the virus spreading. The CDC should be telling people to stay home, avoid contact with those who may be sick, and to give special attention to their diets in order to bolster immune systems. I haven't been sick in years, and if I am forced to go get vaccinated only to wind up being infected, I'll place complete blame on the government, CDC, and pharmaceutical industry.

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