Swine Flu Vaccine Fears Debunked

I saw this article and want to pass this along, as there is so much disinformation here on ATS about the H1N1 virus.

Concern #1: Swine flu is no big deal. It's just another example of media hype.

Answer: H1N1 is a new strain of influenza that is significantly different from flu viruses that have circulated in previous years. As a result, doctors are seeing a larger than normal number of serious complications, including pneumonia and bacterial infections. They are seeing more cases and more complications than usual in healthy young people. And swine flu is hitting hard unusually early.

This time least year, seven people had died from influenza in the United States. So far this year, there have been about 1,000 deaths, including nearly 100 children, and about 10,000 flu-related hospitalizations. In a normal year, the seasonal flu virus kills an average of 36,000 people and sends more than 200,000 to the hospital. With mutations or other unpredictable events, H1N1 could end up being far worse.

Concern #2: The vaccine is more dangerous than the virus.

Answer: This stubborn myth drives the experts nuts. Rumors have been swirling around the H1N1 vaccine ever since the epidemic began. The truth is that the H1N1 vaccine is manufactured in exactly the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine, experts say, and six decades of experience support its safety. Like the seasonal flu vaccine, scientists expect the H1N1 vaccine to cut the risk of coming down with the flu by between 70 percent and 90 percent.

The vaccine contains no adjuvants -- additives that can boost a drug's effectiveness. It is available without the preservative thimerosal, which contains mercury and has raised health concerns even though no studies have linked it with any problems. You can't get the flu from the vaccine. And more than a billion doses of the H1N1 vaccine have already been distributed without any unexpected side effects or other warning signs. (The only real risk is for people who are severely allergic to chicken eggs or other ingredients in the vaccine. Those allergies are rare.)

"All data point toward the fact that the vaccine is likely to be much safer than getting the disease," Halsey said. "It should be a very simple decision to make. The safest thing to do is to get the vaccine."

Concern #3: The government will force you to get the vaccine, no matter what you think about it.

Answer: This is simply not true, with just a few exceptions. Anyone in the military is required to be vaccinated as a security precaution. Some states are also mandating the vaccine for health-care workers. That's already controversial. In states without the mandate, some health providers are actually choosing not to get it, despite evidence that they are more likely to contract and spread the disease if they remain unvaccinated. No one can force an ordinary civilian to get vaccinated.

Concern #4: I don't need the vaccine because I'm young and healthy.

Answer: "The very people who say that are most at risk," Poland said. If you're young, you're unlikely to have ever been exposed to a virus similar to H1N1, which means you probably don't have a reservoir of defense proteins, or antibodies, equipped to fight it. In normal years, older people are most likely to experience complications from the flu, along with very young children. This year, people older than 60 are actually developing fewer problems than everyone else because their bodies have battled a larger variety of viruses over the years.

The benefit of the vaccine goes beyond a single person. Getting the vaccine not only keeps you healthy. It also protects your co-workers, your friends, your family, and your kids.

"I can't stress enough that not getting the vaccine is not a risk-free option," Poland said. "By the numbers, it is far riskier than any theoretical risk or fear of the vaccine."

So, there you have it...the FACTS

SOURCE: dsc.discovery.com...

Be safe!

reply to post by Aggie Man

Concern #2: The vaccine is more dangerous than the virus.

The vaccine contains no adjuvants -- additives that can boost a drug's effectiveness. It is available without the preservative thimerosal, which contains mercury and has raised health concerns even though no studies have linked it with any problems. You can't get the flu from the vaccine.

Ok, I will just attack these supposed Facts. How do we know that this vaccine is not more dangerous. Does the WHO have a time machine? Their are 4 vaccine types now. Nasal, which you should stay away from people that are immune deficient, meaning the live virus can be spread. There is the original 2 dose, which they will probably be pawning off on the poorer countries. There is the adjuvant riddled dose, which I would not inject into a dog. There is the dose they are giving to the elite, like the German Military.

Just to argue-WITH YOUR SUPPOSED FACTS FROM ONE SITE

haha discovery channel?

i'll trust my own immune system..

reply to post by endisnighe


I would be willing to wager that the source I provided is more accurate and legitimate than any source you can find to refute the information cited in the OP.

But, hey...to each their own....I simply put this out there for anyone interested.

Good summary article, but pretty much the official line from the medical establishment (except for those who agree that this was rushed to market and quietly recommend patients "wait and see").

They left out a few myths:

"The vaccine isn't effective anyway". That's because they would have a hard time telling people that it will be effective against anything but the strain they chose to make it from.

"You have to get a flu shot every year to stay immune". Whereas getting over the flu naturally gives you lifetime immunity (the reason old people aren't on the high-risk list). I won't even mention the financial side of this myth for the pharm industry...

"Simple question, Is the H1N1 flu vaccine safe? Yes or No?" Nobody from the medical establishment (CDC, FDA) can answer a "Yes" to this question. If you see the CDC site, this question is asked and the answer is that it is expected to have a similar safety profile to seasonal flu, but fail to disclose what that is or the risks entailed. The truth is, we won't know if all this is safe for many years.


There are risks with taking the vaccine, and risks without taking it. People need to know both sides, however the article only presents the "happy" side of flu vaccines. The CDC is treating people like morons by not being more forthcoming with how much they don't know about how the immune system works. Nobody still seems to be able to explain the Canadian study of 12 million people which found people who had the seasonal flu shot were twice as likely to get H1N1. They've decided to stagger the seasonal flu shot and H1N1 just to be safe....why isn't the US doing this?

And you know what people say about F'ing with Mother Nature, right? You can try to fight her but she always wins, eventually.


EDIT: Oh, and none of this with H1N1 vaccine matters anyway because most states are running out of it, and production is falling behind due to low yields.

Refer to previous statement about tweaking Mother Nature.....

[edit on 23-10-2009 by qwerty123]

My wifes uncle is a Pediatrician. I know from talking with him him 3 weeks ago that he was unable to get any statistics or facts about the h1n1 vaccine. So he said he couldn't recommend it to his patients. Granted that was 3 weeks ago so maybe that has changed but knowing our government, I doubt that..

This morning while I was getting ready for the day, I was listening to the news on TV.

They said repeatedly that the current death count from H1N1 is 5,000.

It was in the news because a first grader died at a local school and H1N1 was confirmed.

It's so sad when children die.

reply to post by Aggie Man


So, did YOU get your pig shot yet? Since you seem to think its so beneficial and all.
I dare not get it. 1>A regular flu shot makes me sicker than if I had the flu in the first place and 2>There are 4 strains of flu in this shot so why should I risk my life by a factor of 4 for????

Originally posted by rangersdad
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

So, did YOU get your pig shot yet? Since you seem to think its so beneficial and all.
I dare not get it. 1>A regular flu shot makes me sicker than if I had the flu in the first place and 2>There are 4 strains of flu in this shot so why should I risk my life by a factor of 4 for????

Where did I say that getting it would be beneficial? I am simply presenting facts instead of fear. As to your Q: re: whether or not I got the "pig shot", that's my personal medical history and I do not wish to comment.

Originally posted by Aggie Man
So, there you have it...the FACTS

SOURCE: dsc.discovery.com...

Where do you think the Discovery Channel get their facts? Why are they worth trusting? If you take the same message from the government and medical companies and put it on Discovery Channel, its somehow more credible?

I bet there was "experts" back in 1976 as well when they injected people with this crap and paralyzed them. The people who get called experts are just overworked medical staff who have no time to actually check facts just like the rest of us. And even if they did, I bet their medical journals would ALL back up that there is no danger. Because the scientific dogma is very, very strong. Disagree and you dont get listened to.

Thats how it works. You put out info at the top of the pyramid and everybody else who doesnt have time to look into it themselfs repeats it.


[edit on 23-10-2009 by Copernicus]

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

Ok, I will just attack these supposed Facts. How do we know that this vaccine is not more dangerous. Does the WHO have a time machine? Their are 4 vaccine types now. Nasal, which you should stay away from people that are immune deficient, meaning the live virus can be spread. There is the original 2 dose, which they will probably be pawning off on the poorer countries. There is the adjuvant riddled dose, which I would not inject into a dog. There is the dose they are giving to the elite, like the German Military.

Just to argue-WITH YOUR SUPPOSED FACTS FROM ONE SITE

I'm still out on the vaccine myself, but I as far as this issue is concerned I have been told by my doctor that you do not to stay away from immunocompromised or immunosuppressed, you just should sneeze upon them for a day or so, and you don't need to avoid them. Honestly, you shouldn't sneeze on anyone, and even more so if you know they have immune system problems, that's just a no brainer.

Now, this could mean that different doctors are giving different information because they simply do not have all the correct figures and they are sort of "winging" it. I suggest this because between my doctor, other family members doctors, and what I see on H1N1 coverage seems to be conflicting at times.

I would also like to share that on the FDA website, it says that immuno compromised and suppressed people have limited results with the H1N1 vaccine, I confirmed this again with my doctor. She said that this is true to her understanding and that the seasonal flu shot is far more important, if you want to get the piggy vaccine thats fine, but she hasn't seen anything indicating that the immuno's will have any benefit in this case and no biggie to skip it. So, again according to her it is more important to get the seasonal shot for immuno's and if you get the mist do not sneeze on them.

Edit to add I am immunosuppressed and she hasn't steered me wrong yet.

[edit on 23-10-2009 by searching4truth]

Originally posted by Copernicus

Originally posted by Aggie Man
So, there you have it...the FACTS

SOURCE: dsc.discovery.com...

Where do you think the Discovery Channel get their facts? Why are they worth trusting? If you take the same message from the government and medical companies and put it on Discovery Channel, its somehow more credible?

I bet there was "experts" back in 1976 as well when they injected people with this crap and paralyzed them. The people who get called experts are just overworked medical staff who have no time to actually check facts just like the rest of us. And even if they did, I bet their medical journals would ALL back up that there is no danger. Because the scientific dogma is very, very strong. Disagree and you dont get listened to.

Thats how it works. You put out info at the top of the pyramid and everybody else who doesnt have time to look into it themselfs repeats it.


[edit on 23-10-2009 by Copernicus]

Nothing in life is 100% safe. People die from peanut allergies, but people don't go around talking about peanut conspiracies. Sure some people will have adverse affects, but such is life. And BTW, I trust discovery channel because they do not intentionally misrepresent the facts. Again, believe what you wish...more power to you. For those that do not subscribe fear mongering, this thread is intended for you. Otherwise just move on along, this thread could do without irrational non-fact based drivel.

[edit on 23-10-2009 by Aggie Man]

WEll, this gets dumber and dumber ....

Panderix

Påstand 1:

Jeg risikerer ingenting ved å avstå fra vaksinen

FHI: Dette er ikke riktig. Selv om den nye influensaen hos de fleste gir milde symptomer, er risikoen for å bli syk og dermed også for å få et alvorlig sykdomsforløp høyere enn ved vanlig sesonginfluensa. Det er fordi de aller fleste ikke har noen grad av immunitet mot dette viruset fra før. Svineinfluensaen er også annerledes i det at de som får alvorlige komplikasjoner eller dør, både de få i Norge og de mange i land som har hatt større utbrudd, stort sett har vært yngre mennesker under 50 år. Omkring halvparten av dem har ingen risikofaktorer. Det er uvant og skremmende at yngre, friske personer dør av en infeksjonssykdom til tross for at de får den beste tilgjengelige behandling. Derfor er vi opptatt av å tilby vaksine, fordi vi ikke på forhånd kan vite hvem som får alvorlig sykdom. Vaksinasjon er det mest effektive tiltaket for å beskytte seg mot den nye influensaen.

Påstand 2:

Svineinfluensavaksinen inneholder kvikksølv

Svar fra FHI: Fordi vaksinen leveres i glass med flere doser, inneholder den konserveringsmiddelet tiomersal, en kvikksølvforbindelse som har bakteriedrepende effekt. Dette er nødvendig for å hindre bakterievekst i glasset etter at det er åpnet. Mengden Tiomersal i Pandemrix er langt lavere enn det som tidligere var vanlig i spedbarnsvaksiner, og også lavere enn det man får i seg gjennom maten til daglig. Med et gjennomsnittlig norsk kosthold får man i seg cirka 4 mikrogram kvikksølv daglig, mens en dose Pandemrix inneholder 2,5 mikrogram kvikksølv. Den kvikksølvforbindelsen som er i vaksinen (etylkvikksølv) skilles også raskere ut av kroppen enn den man får i seg gjennom mat (metylkvikksølv). Tiomersal har vært brukt som konserveringsmiddel i vaksiner siden 1930-tallet. Det er gjort grundige studier i store befolkningsgrupper med tiomersal som vaksinetilsetning. Disse undersøkelsene har ikke gitt holdepunkt for at bruk av tiomersal i vaksiner medfører verken autisme, hjerneskade eller annen helseskade.

Påstand 3:

Vaksinen er dyrket fram på kreftceller

Dette er ikke riktig. Pandemivaksinen Pandemrix er fremstilt på en godt utprøvd måte, ved virusdyrking på egg. Det er samme metode som brukes ved fremstilling av den årlige vaksinen mot vanlig sesonginfluensa.

Påstand 4:

Vaksinen kan gi alvorlige bivirkninger

Svar fra FHI: Det er ikke vist at vaksinen kan gi alvorlige bivirkninger. Modellvaksinen (prototypen til Pandemrix) ble testet ut på om lag 5000 personer, noe som er en vanlig størrelse på studier ved utprøving av nye vaksiner. Disse studiene viste at vanlige bivirkninger etter pandemivaksinasjon er smerter, rødhet og hevelse ved innstikkstedet, hodepine, tretthet, feber, ømme muskler og leddsmerter, moderat feber og hovne lymfekjertler. Disse forsvinner normalt i løpet av 1-2 dager. Dataene tyder på at slike bivirkninger forekommer noe hyppigere etter vaksinasjon med pandemivaksinen enn etter vanlig sesonginfluensavaksinasjon.

Påstand 5:

Hjelpestoffet skvalen i vaksinen er omstridt, også blant medisinske eksperter. Det var mistanke om at skvalen i miltbrannvaksine i sin tid førte til golfkrigssyndromet blant amerikanske soldater.

Svar fra FHI: Denne mistanken er avkreftet, blant annet av Verdens helseorganisasjon (WHO). Miltbrannvaksinen som ble gitt til soldatene i Golfkrigen inneholdt ikke skvalen, og kan dermed umulig ha forårsaket det såkalte golfkrigssyndromet. Skvalen er en naturlig olje som finnes hos alle planter og dyr. I Pandemrix er den fremstilt fra haileverolje. Det finnes mye data om bruk av skavlen i vaksiner. Blant annet er en annen influensavaksine med skavlen gitt til om lag 45 millioner mennesker uten å ha vist å gi alvorlige bivirkninger.

Påstand 6:

En massevaksinasjon mot svineinfluensa i 1976 førte til at mange fikk nervesykdommen Guillain-Barré (GB) før vaksineprogrammet ble stoppet.

Svar fra FHI: Det er riktig at det ble sett en sammenheng mellom vaksinasjon mot svineinfluensa i USA i 1976 og sykdommen Guillain-Barré syndrom (GBS). I løpet av de åtte første ukene etter vaksinasjon mot svineinfluensaepidemien i USA i 1976 fant man en liten, men likevel økt risiko for å utvikle GBS. Risikoen var på 1 tilfelle per 100 000 vaksinerte.

Det er en rekke forhold som er forbedret siden 1976, både med hensyn til kvaliteten på vaksineproduksjon, og omfanget av dokumentasjonen av pandemivaksiner. Det er derfor lite sannsynlig at det samme vil skje igjen. Studier av andre influensavaksiner etter 1976, med innhold av andre A (H1N1)-stammer, har enten vist ingen eller en svært liten risiko (cirka 1 tilfelle per 1.000.000 vaksinerte) for å utvikle denne sykdommen. Man skal også være klar over at det å gjennomgå influensa er en klar risikofaktor for å utvikle GBS. Risikoen for utvikling av GBS etter influensasykdom er ca. 4-7 tilfeller per 100.000 personer med influensasykdom, altså 40-70 ganger høyere enn ved de vanlige influensavaksinene.

Påstand 7:

Gravide bør ikke ta svineinfluensavaksine

Svar fra FHI: Helsemyndighetene anbefaler vaksine, også til gravide. Bak denne anbefalingen ligger en grundig vurdering fra fagmiljøene, både i Norge og internasjonalt. Dette er også vurderingen gjort i Verdens helseorganisasjon (WHO) og dens ekspertpanel på vaksinespørsmål. Éndosevaksine som ikke trenger tilsetning av konserveringsmiddelet tiomersal, og som inneholder tilstrekkelige mengde med antigen til å gi en beskyttende effekt, ville bli foretrukket til gravide dersom man hadde hatt tilgang til den. Men det viktigste nå er at gravide blir vaksinert med en godkjent vaksine, inkludert den vi har i Norge. Vaksinen er godkjent av europeiske og norske legemiddelmyndigheter, også til bruk hos gravide. Helsemyndighetene har sjekket muligheten for å få kjøpt andre vaksiner. Men hos produsentene er det kø av inngåtte avtaler, så annen vaksine blir ikke å få tak i før langt ut i 2010.

Og så langt unna norske helsemyndigheters informasjonsopplegg som det er mulig å komme, finner du altså denne YouTube-hiten fra rapperen Mike Adams. Dette er bare ett av mange eksempler fra nettet der konspirasjonsteoriene får fritt utløp.

This appeared on Norweagin sites a few days ago, Think yesterday , but,same shait.

This is NOTHING more than an attempt to Counter the 'truth' that people are starting to take seriously, imo....
It is the same page, but in Norwegian, and yesterday and today, the Health minister in Norway have been pushing the Vaccine agenda pretty heavy: We have 9.4 million doses coming in, and we are considering MassVaccination.....

I tell you this too, Me,my eldest son and youngest daughter have slime and sore throughts and headaches now, we just got back from the Doctor, he said: Streps, yes streptocockitous or what you call it in english, no SwineFlu, just imagine we went to the ER and got the SwinefluHype fast track diagnose and pumped with tamiFlu or swineflu vaccine ? we all be dead ... This is a serious matter.........


[edit on 23/10/2009 by ChemBreather]

Originally posted by Aggie Man
"I saw this article and want to pass this along, as there is so much disinformation here on ATS about the H1N1 virus."

Concern #1: Swine flu is no big deal. It's just another example of media hype.

Answer: H1N1 is a new strain of influenza that is significantly different from flu viruses that have circulated in previous years. As a result, doctors are seeing a larger than normal number of serious complications, including pneumonia and bacterial infections. They are seeing more cases and more complications than usual in healthy young people. And swine flu is hitting hard unusually early.

This time least year, seven people had died from influenza in the United States. So far this year, there have been about 1,000 deaths, including nearly 100 children, and about 10,000 flu-related hospitalizations. In a normal year, the seasonal flu virus kills an average of 36,000 people and sends more than 200,000 to the hospital. With mutations or other unpredictable events, H1N1 could end up being far worse.

Concern #2: The vaccine is more dangerous than the virus.

Answer: This stubborn myth drives the experts nuts. Rumors have been swirling around the H1N1 vaccine ever since the epidemic began. The truth is that the H1N1 vaccine is manufactured in exactly the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine, experts say, and six decades of experience support its safety. Like the seasonal flu vaccine, scientists expect the H1N1 vaccine to cut the risk of coming down with the flu by between 70 percent and 90 percent.

The vaccine contains no adjuvants -- additives that can boost a drug's effectiveness. It is available without the preservative thimerosal, which contains mercury and has raised health concerns even though no studies have linked it with any problems. You can't get the flu from the vaccine. And more than a billion doses of the H1N1 vaccine have already been distributed without any unexpected side effects or other warning signs. (The only real risk is for people who are severely allergic to chicken eggs or other ingredients in the vaccine. Those allergies are rare.)

"All data point toward the fact that the vaccine is likely to be much safer than getting the disease," Halsey said. "It should be a very simple decision to make. The safest thing to do is to get the vaccine."

Concern #3: The government will force you to get the vaccine, no matter what you think about it.

Answer: This is simply not true, with just a few exceptions. Anyone in the military is required to be vaccinated as a security precaution. Some states are also mandating the vaccine for health-care workers. That's already controversial. In states without the mandate, some health providers are actually choosing not to get it, despite evidence that they are more likely to contract and spread the disease if they remain unvaccinated. No one can force an ordinary civilian to get vaccinated.

Concern #4: I don't need the vaccine because I'm young and healthy.

Answer: "The very people who say that are most at risk," Poland said. If you're young, you're unlikely to have ever been exposed to a virus similar to H1N1, which means you probably don't have a reservoir of defense proteins, or antibodies, equipped to fight it. In normal years, older people are most likely to experience complications from the flu, along with very young children. This year, people older than 60 are actually developing fewer problems than everyone else because their bodies have battled a larger variety of viruses over the years.

The benefit of the vaccine goes beyond a single person. Getting the vaccine not only keeps you healthy. It also protects your co-workers, your friends, your family, and your kids.

"I can't stress enough that not getting the vaccine is not a risk-free option," Poland said. "By the numbers, it is far riskier than any theoretical risk or fear of the vaccine."

So, there you have it...the FACTS

SOURCE: dsc.discovery.com...

Be safe!

At the very begining of your thread you infer that its beneficial after all you want to set the record straight as to what the facts are according to your source.
And one can also assume that since you are not willing to state if you are going to get the pig shot or not, that you arent going to get it.

I was offered the Vaccine today at work and I chose NO, When questioned about why I said no, my reply was that there has not been enough time to research the safety of the Vaccine and potential side effects.

But like everything In life, I have to take my chances.

[edit on 23-10-2009 by colec156]

Last time I checked, mercury's toxic.

People that trust the CDC probably also trust Microsoft when they state that there are no security issues with their software.

Originally posted by Aggie Man
And BTW, I trust discovery channel because they do not intentionally misrepresent the facts. Again, believe what you wish...more power to you. For those that do not subscribe fear mongering, this thread is intended for you. Otherwise just move on along, this thread could do without irrational non-fact based drivel.

The Discovery Channel dont do their own research you know. If they are saying something, you can be 100% sure its what the government and medical companies are saying as well.

I think you are the one with irrational non-fact based drivel if you are only going to repeat the mainstream opinion. We all know what they say. If you choose to believe it, thats fine. But all the facts of the "fear mongering" people are still 100% accurate, weather its on Discovery Channel or not.

And frankly, im getting a little tired of seeing the "fear mongering" stamp on everything these days. Its the new "tinfoil hat" isnt it? Designed to make people not listen. So predictable.


[edit on 23-10-2009 by Copernicus]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Last time I checked, mercury's toxic.

It is available without the preservative thimerosal, which contains mercury and has raised health concerns even though no studies have linked it with any problems.

Last time I checked, it is available w/o mercury. Again, take this however you want. I'm not an advocate for or against the H1N1 vaccine. Just presenting facts.

reply to post by ChemBreather


Yea strep!!! But you do bring up a very serious issue. Your right if you had gone to the ER based upon your symptoms you most likely would have been fast tracked into the tamiflu line. While, this would have been completely unnecessary and you would have had no or very limited response to your symptoms. I have heard that from various MSM sources that the virus has mutated, then I happened to catch an interview on the radio from an infectious disease doctor from Loyola that it has not mutated and that is why the vaccine will be so useful. Now, let's say there are more people like you (which is most likely the case) and they received tamiflu, yet they had strep or something else, since the diagnosis was based on symptoms as opposed to swabs. Wouldn't we be led to believe that the virus had mutated, or tamiflu wasn't effective in all cases against this flu.

It is a virus, take a sample from the first round and take a current sample and see if they are the same. This is what I want to know, yet the "experts" all seem to have different data.

Here's another example, on CSPAN Dr. Bell from the CDC claimed that immunosuppressed need the vaccine because of their health risks. On the FDA website it says that immunosuppressed people have little response to the vaccination. When I asked my doctor she said that it was unnecessary given that you most likely wouldn't develop the antibodies. So, I'm gonna believe my doctor but how is it that the CDC and the FDA have different data? Aren't they "supposed" to know what is going on?