An attack on America by Europe

Apart from being the same breed, US and Europe are also intertwined in terms of state institution. How the French and American revolution are influenced by one another, the founding fathers by Montesquieu, or de Tocqueville impressed of the Americans.
French and Amercians for instance are so much alike in terms of patriotism, not really mentality but the reason of the friction is mostly because we are alike and from the same breed..see it as two pluses[or minuses] of two magnets..

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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet

The WHOLE point of the thread was to point out Europe’s past woes as well, as a matter of fact Africa was the last place to be brutalized by Europe, and that’s in the past 50 Years.... Not to mention the English Mandate on Palestine Mandate (or UN) which is why you see fighting in Israel. This may seem rude, But Europe as taking a back seat and allowed America to run the show, when it benefits your governments you look the other way (Iraq) (Iran) when you stand to lose lucrative contracts (Saddam Era) you throw a fit.

I found this informative perspective. For those who haven't looked more than a few years in the past at the present day issues will find this very interesting.

Enjoy.

PEACE
Slay



How France sank the original Mideast peace

Every day politicians and pundits talk of another chance at Middle East peace missed, delayed or subverted. The focus is always on Palestinians and Israelis as the keystone to a global settlement with the West and across the region. But in the original peace arrangement between the Jews, Arabs and the Western powers, it was not settlements and Jerusalem that were at the heart of the problem. In fact, the Arabs originally agreed to a Jewish state complete with massive Jewish immigration. For Arabs, the prize was not Palestine, it was Syria.
Zionist Organization...


This is the story of how the original Middle East peace plan crafted among all sides in the aftermath of World War I was subverted - not by Jews or Zionists, but by the French.

It begins at the Paris Peace Conference in January 1919, in a flag-bedecked, battle-scarred but victorious Paris. There, the great top-hatted Allied men of vision and illusion gathered to remake the world and invent the post-Ottoman Middle East. At those fateful meetings, the Arabs and Jews formally agreed to mutually endorse both their national aspirations and live in peace.

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Ottoman Empire

At the height of its power (16th–17th century), it spanned three continents, controlling much of Southeastern Europe, Western Asia and North Africa. The Ottoman Empire contained 29 provinces and numerous vassal states; some of which were later absorbed into the empire, while others gained various types of autonomy during the course of centuries. The empire also temporarily gained authority over distant overseas lands through declarations of allegiance to the Ottoman Sultan and Caliph, such as the declaration by the Sultan of Aceh in 1565; or through the temporary acquisitions of islands in the Atlantic Ocean, such as Lanzarote (1585).[7]

The empire was at the centre of interactions between the Eastern and Western worlds for six centuries. With Constantinople as its capital city,[8][9] and vast control of lands around the eastern Mediterranean during the reign of Suleiman the Magnificent (ruled 1520 to 1566), the Ottoman Empire was, in many respects, an Islamic successor to the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire.[10]

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hehe like your signature, wasnt that an American officer in WWI who just joined the French?, red that somewhere in a WWI book..crazy stories back then....

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Source

A famous saying is attributed to Captain Williams, who was serving as a company commander in the 5th Marines. When advised to withdraw by a French officer at the defensive line just north of the village of Lucy-le-Bocage on June 1, 1918, he is said to have replied: "Retreat? Hell, we just got here!"[1] Captain Williams would not survive the ensuing battle, and was posthumously promoted to major and awarded the Distinguished Service Cross.

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We all live in America

en.wikipedia.org...'s_History_of_the_United_States

And we all are american - and we "all" dream about the "american dream", we all want a car, a fridge - film, enternaiment - because we all want to stay away from this "dream" - this illusion of living.

Then what ?

Some said : "they came from the freedom" ( and the dream )... yes :
THe Technological , industrial revolution. Usa is obviously maybe the first or second country that will allways want technological revolution and stuff in this way (maybe with japan).

There will be soon an IA, and stupid people will be so happy about that. Nobody will have to think anymore (that could mean they don't need technichal guys, and engineers, think about that !)... it is just the next step - in fact robot shave remplaced 95% of works ( but robots need electrical energy - and sometimes it is cheapper to get an old good human being to do the work.) Because you know human being - or the middle - working class - are robot. There is no difference between a robot and a human being, who only think with ideology.

What are the concequence of the "industrial revolutoin" ? More stuff ? More unemployment ? More people ? More pollution ? No more ressources, energy ? No more place to live free and not under any kind of control ?

i think you all know when someone want to make you buy his # :

It is the same with what happenned about the industrial revolution !

They sells you a dream that cannot exists. The dream was ( and you can find newspaper) : "Humanity will not have to work with robots", "Buy a car and be free" ...

The technology is not a solution for our #, because it is a problem of organisation and freedom.

The industrial revolution has not fullfill people with happiness : obviously, the" technology "will replace humanity ( it is one of the possible future ) more or less - soon or sooner.

The humanity (or most people) has create a world where the today real humanity cannot lie (as human being).

Why ? Because it is human to dream about stuff ... but what happen if we create the world we or parents dreams about ... and the dream - because it is just ideology - is A NIGHTMARE !

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Oh oh history ?

Well do you know who sell "neger" in africa to britains ?

Muslim...

Yes muslim guys , because do you know what ? Africa has been (mostly) muslim during more thant a thound years. What is it compared with the Europe ? I don't know, but you have to take into consideration the complete story.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

I found this informative perspective. For those who haven't looked more than a few years in the past at the present day issues will find this very interesting.

This is getting even weirder. So now, not only are we 'Europeans' supposed to take the rap for our ancestors, we're now actually meant to taking the rap for the ancestors of other countries? How is this the fault of people alive today, born after this happened, in, for example, Holland, England, Germany, Denmark and so on? Never French people born after this!

This 'lump them all together' approach isn't working in the way you're trying to make it.

Good job! I couldn't agree with you more. If it weren't for the US most, if not all, the eurpoean countries would have been taken over and still run by Germany. Yet, they have the nerve to put us down...... They would be nothing if it wasn't for the USA. People forget so fast and are so UNGREATFUL! Next time they are in a mess and need us, we shouldn't even bother helping any of them out.

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I grow so weary of the sniping, snide remarks, and careless rhetoric by certain "Europeans."

Ever note they criticize our concept of "patriotism?"

Know why? They don't enjoy any such thing. They have bits of national pride, but no comparable things such as Patriotism.

It's real difficult to engage in patriotism when they look around at the long-term deterioration of their own countries, consider their best days are long behind them, and then engage in patriotism.

Patriotism is a concept of hope and yes, even enthusiasm.

For those in older countries with little hope of things getting any better, there is little hope, muted enthusiasm, and the only way to compensate is to belittle those in the US who still have hope and enthusiasm.

The trajectory of Europe, continuing as the ballistic model would project, indicates an internal takeover by Muslim invaders who actually came in the front door, and a complete takeover within another two decades.

Note carefully that they are already bending their own traditions and laws to conform with the demands of these groups of religious immigrants.

Unarmed, there is no hope of changing their fortunes.

Unarmed, they love to criticize our culture that is armed to the gunwhales, calling us a violent country who glorifies weapons and personal freedoms they can't match.

Yet it was our guns that pulled their bacon out of the fire twice, our guns and reputation that kept an aggressive communist Soviet Union at bay during the Cold War, and one who eventually broke the Soviet Union financially.

When the Soviets decided to shut down Berlin and starve it out, it was American equipment, supplies, funding, effort, ingenuity, and sheer determination that caused the Soviets to blink first.

Yeah, we're one big group of SOB's.

And there are many around the world who maybe need to get on their knees and thank their Creator that we are those SOB's.

Soon to be demoted to your Allah.

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Empire, or Empire ... ?

History, the history of the good the bad and the evil, the nazis.

Maybe thing are more complicated ! It is allways more complex

German wanted to build an empire, and it was with the help of us elite at the beginning (ford, bankers, ... ...) ( but not at the fall )
The problem was that the empire nazy wanted to build is an empire - that cannot be controlled with money from other country.

And that was difficult to understand - for US elite whose plan whose to control other nation and ressource with money... ( and it what they have done - of course you know globalisation has begin in "1900" ).


just before it was russian.

Well you know what :if we compare what have done Moscou - and what "european" have done with amera - you get a lot of dead people - no alternative culture - and an industrial society ... COOOL.

It happen just in an other way in europe because it was allready an "industrial" place.

WHO ARE THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY

Just tell me ?!

Originally posted by dooper
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I grow so weary of the sniping, snide remarks, and careless rhetoric by certain "Europeans."

Ever note they criticize our concept of "patriotism?"

Know why? They don't enjoy any such thing. They have bits of national pride, but no comparable things such as Patriotism.

It's real difficult to engage in patriotism when they look around at the long-term deterioration of their own countries, consider their best days are long behind them, and then engage in patriotism.

Patriotism is a concept of hope and yes, even enthusiasm.

For those in older countries with little hope of things getting any better, there is little hope, muted enthusiasm, and the only way to compensate is to belittle those in the US who still have hope and enthusiasm.

The trajectory of Europe, continuing as the ballistic model would project, indicates an internal takeover by Muslim invaders who actually came in the front door, and a complete takeover within another two decades.

Note carefully that they are already bending their own traditions and laws to conform with the demands of these groups of religious immigrants.

Unarmed, there is no hope of changing their fortunes.

Unarmed, they love to criticize our culture that is armed to the gunwhales, calling us a violent country who glorifies weapons and personal freedoms they can't match.

Yet it was our guns that pulled their bacon out of the fire twice, our guns and reputation that kept an aggressive communist Soviet Union at bay during the Cold War, and one who eventually broke the Soviet Union financially.

When the Soviets decided to shut down Berlin and starve it out, it was American equipment, supplies, funding, effort, ingenuity, and sheer determination that caused the Soviets to blink first.

Yeah, we're one big group of SOB's.

And there are many around the world who maybe need to get on their knees and thank their Creator that we are those SOB's.

Soon to be demoted to your Allah.

For the most i agree with your standpoints, the reason we have this struggle with muslim influence is because we became aware of our national identity and yes feel a bit threatened.The PVV is the biggest party over here you should google it( most of us already have such identity) ..You should see the world cup of `football`in South Africa in 2010, see and look how vivid our patriotism is...
And about the slavery, yes we bought them from the muslims.
I've been to Zanzibar and i actually saw the difference with the main land(who were more relax and nonreligious)..talking about buying things you do not need...

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Nowhere in the world talks about it the way they do: "I'm 16th Finnish on my mother's side". Why?

Europeans in general seem to be trying their hardest to forget their past. Probably because there was violence, heartbreak, hatred and who knows what all bad blood involved with all the struggles you have gone through. Everyone over there has it out for somebody!

We don't have all that baggage. You can be Italian, Bulgarian, Russian, whatever and be proud of it, celebrate it, nobody cares. They have Norwegian celebrations, German celebrations. I suspect most don't even know much about the country of origin. It's all just great fun.

Heck, you drive around over there and see pillboxes all over Europe. They're everywhere, leftover fortifications from some war back when. Ever seen a pillbox driving around in the Americas? You have to look long and hard!

Ie., constant reminders that Europe has had a history of wars and strife, and sure enough, you're trying your hardest to forget it all. Don't blame you.

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that's probably a large part of it. Americans simply don't have that history of hundreds, even thousands of years of blood shed. Ours is bloody enough, but it hasn't, for the most part, left the scars that Europeans have, and are, dealing with.

They, and we, simply don't have the same perspective on such matters.

I think your argument is mute, simply because the Europeans alive today are not responsible for what happened in the past, as we weren't alive then. We mainly criticize America for the crimes you commit today which is relevant, as the people who are responsible are still alive today.

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I could point out to you that the "crimes" we're busily committing are in large part a direct result of actions taken by those Europeans no longer with us...

But that's only part of it.

The actions taken being termed "crimes" would be another part. Our actions, however viewed, were in defense of our country. Not saying they were the right ones, or that they were even wrong...I claim no such expertise. Sorry you don't like the actions, truly I am. America, as a nation, is entitled to defend itself in any fashion it deems necessary. Don't like it? I'm truly, again, sorry about that.

I'm no fan of our war in Iraq. Wrong war, wrong time, wrong place...Afghanistan has turned into a fiasco of the worst sort. But "crime"? Hardly.

I know you'll disagree, probably violently. Feel free.

Originally posted by seagull
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that's probably a large part of it. Americans simply don't have that history of hundreds, even thousands of years of blood shed. Ours is bloody enough, but it hasn't, for the most part, left the scars that Europeans have, and are, dealing with.

They, and we, simply don't have the same perspective on such matters.

Thanks....

I replied with something similar 4 or 5 pages back. It got overlooked.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
As many here have already pointed out. We don't have a history going back thousands of years nor do we have monarchies or ancient cultural rivalries. Most of our forefathers let that go. etc. We only have each other.

Black, White, Brown, Red and yellow etc.

All bound together under the Red White and Blue.

You couldn't be more wrong seagull. I won't react violently, why would I? However, I will say that Iraq had nothing to do with defending your country, and Iraq was never a threat to begin with, as we were taken into that war on a pack of lies anyway. I blame both British and Amercan governments, not the people. I'm British by the way.

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And I agree that it was the wrong war, at the wrong place, and the wrong time...and I still think that.

Where we part ways is our view of its criminality...

I'm guessing we'll agree to disagree.

Another point.

"pack of lies" it was not. Mistaken intel? Yes. As I understand it, virtually every single intelligence agency on Earth agreed there was a clear and present danger from Iraq.

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Originally posted by pieman

Originally posted by SLAYER69
But we don't hold onto the things that divide you.

what, like nationality?? irish-american, african-american, latin-american, asian american, anglo-american, native-american?

What you laugh at is exactly what binds us together. XXXX-American

creed? christian schools, jewish quaters, bible belt.

That's exactly right again what you laugh at is another one of our strengths. Religious freedom. Not freedom of Religion to change our laws. Sharia law anybody?

language? english, french spanish and portuguese.

Throw a dart at a map of the world. You left out a couple of hundred others.

ideology, left, right socialists and facists. just becaue you guys don't seem to understand them, doesn't mean you're not divided by them. what is it you guys have left behind?

You forgot the American Nazi party the American communist party. The Americans for the flat Earth society....

Well, this is what it took for me to register to ATS, after years of just reading.


This pointless, hateful, pointless topic.

There is no one in this world without sin. My country was overrun left and right for a 1000 years. But I dont blame them for my problems. Do I feel pride over the fact that in my book my country is better that any other - no.

What a pointless, hateful, pointless topic.

Please close it and lock it. So that real discussions can continue. Not this "You have done wrong no you have done even more wrong no you..."

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