The American Dream has Become...

Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
I think this whole thread is just made up drama. He starts off saying how he cannot support the military but a few minutes later he is enlisting. I.E. he will be willing to follow orders that he believes are inhuman and illegal. Or is the big plan to infilitrate the Army and change how they operate. If so I hope you enjoy your years in military prison.

It doesn't make sense and his failure to explain his stance except for folowing the constitution, makes me wonder why he even made this thread in the first place except for some weird demand for attention.

careful thats what i was saying in the postings that were removed.



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I can't believe, fully, that your story is true. This is due to the fact that you admitted you were born in 1980, but are 25. Have you found the fountain of youth, and hiding it?

Anyhow, I can completely understand your choice. I have often thought about whether I should go into the military, or if I should stay in the states and become a police officer. I have chosen to become an officer. Reasoning being, that I could better protect my country inside my country.

Nobody here should be able to get under your skin because you are you. No one here can decide what you can do or should do. Stay yourself, and let those who get thrills from insulting people do just that. It only shows what kind of person they are.

Please, don't take the first part as argumentative. I am only trying to view facts. Opinions matter little when it comes to someone else's life.

Simple solution: Move down here to Australia.

We have virtually the same freedoms as the US (and the differences are so minute as to not be important), we don't get angry at the drop of a hat over the smallest of petty things, we treat our neighbours like mates and we look out for each other.

Quite frankly, given the choice to be living here in Australia or in post-9/11 America, I would choose Australia anyday.

to the OP - nice post, couldn't have said it better myself. thanks for the read.

My brother has not killed any kids. You are making assumptions about people you do not know. If you wanna attack someone who is comitting crimes look at the mercenary orgs operating in Iraq. You people have a skewed view of who the US military really is. My brother joined before he knew what was up, as far as he was concerned he was serving his country. I'm a constitutionalist and part of being that is serving in the armed forces. You guys want to be mad at the military but the real anger should be directed at those who make these policies. You act as if America is the only nation in the world that commits crimes.

Either way, that is enough of you trash talking my family. They are not the subject of this thread and I do not appreciate these baseless accusations of people you don't know. LEAVE MY FAMILY OUT OF THIS.

Right as might be , people out there do not see individual troops. They see the USA military as a single unit that's why you might see militants blowing up any member of the military in Iraq. While America is not the only nation that commits crimes, it is the only only that purports not to, hence it's subjects will not be brought under any world war crimes court. So much for double standards. No wonder why US is universally hated.

Originally posted by Kryties
Simple solution: Move down here to Australia.

We have virtually the same freedoms as the US (and the differences are so minute as to not be important), we don't get angry at the drop of a hat over the smallest of petty things, we treat our neighbours like mates and we look out for each other.

Quite frankly, given the choice to be living here in Australia or in post-9/11 America, I would choose Australia anyday.

hey... i'm an american and me and the wife have thought about moving to the "down under"...don't you guys hate that "shrimps on the barbie" thing?? if i moved down there i promise not to say that... but you guys would have to drink alot of beer with me to forget the nastiness i and others have had to live with here in the states.
we have friends that are republicans and we have known them for 20 odd years...and they were great company until Obama was elected. we went over there yesterday for lunch and gab, usually we stay for a couple of hours lubed by the red berry and the golden hops, but this time we left right after lunch, because of the vitriol used against our president. i couldn't take it anymore and i don't think we'll be going back again for along time. it was like listening to FOX NEWS for 45 minutes. i hope most of you aussies aren't that way.

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Hehe the only reason we roll our eyes at the "shrimp on the barbie" thing is it's a stereotype that's been flogged to death lol.

In regards to the beer mate, you won't have ANY problems finding an Aussie to share a few with - that I can absolutely guarantee you

And yeah, 99% of us Aussies wouldn't go to a BBQ and talk about politics - that's just not our style. We prefer to trade fun insults, have a game of cricket or footy, basically anything that involves having fun and not taking life too seriously.

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I never said I was born in 1980. I said my parent moved to costarica in 1979. I was born in 1984. My god you people need reading comprehension classes. A 10 year journey...for my parents, hello?. Dear god. I don't need to do your math for you too do I?

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I am sorry. I confused you with someone else that was posting.

I did say that it wasn't an attack on you. You had no need to get snippy. Maybe you should show the respect and decorum that you asked for in an earlier post. Next time, I won't worry about hurting your feelings because you obviously have no care towards others.

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You'd get snippy to if you were being called a murderer and a liar. My apologies friend I did not mean to offend.

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I have not been bashing America. Since you decided not to read through the thread you don't know that I have been vehemently defending America.

Originally posted by endisnighe
SWEET JESUS! If that doesn't get people fired up? I do not know what will.

Originally posted by projectvxn
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That isn't actually the point now is it? How many times do I have to say this, I don't believe that these wars are fundamentally necessary. But so long as we are there we have a responsibility to finish our job. Find Osama, and come home, (Or finally admit he's actually dead and come home). I am not for nation building and do not support any effort to do so. I want us to come home, I really do. But in the mean time I want a clear mission with proper oversight, for the safety of our troops we have to think rationally about this, and refrain from the kind of superlatives and extremes that have been resorted to in this thread so far. It is NOT FAIR, nor is it accurate to call our troops murderers. That title belongs to those who perpetrated the lie that brought them to the battlefield.

'Find Osama and come home' do you honestly believe that the troops are there to find Osama and if they find him they will come home?

He was an excuse to invade and when that excuse didn't work they used WMD's and when they were shown not to be there, 'well while we're here we may as well help out and set the people free' what a joke.

Thousands murdered and slaughtered for oil and the American Military Machine. No war means no money for the industrialists.

I know a lot of countries are involved and the soldiers are doing their duty but don't try and justify it as being something noble and patriotic, it isn't. Being patriotic is defending your homeland. Only the Iraqi's, Iranians and Afghanistanis are being patriotic.

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Ibelieve we should have done what we said we were going to do. If not, come home, no sense in pushing failed policy.

This is a very emotional post but not a very pragmatic one.
I can respect emotions but, unless used as motivation to actually do something, they usually wind up with inconclusive whining.

I understand what you feel. You have done a great job of describing that.
I fail to see what you and your brother are doing to rectify anything, other than asking everyone else to do something.

Newsflash: His children will probably never reach their full potential with the example being set. Join the system and hope it fails?

Clear your mind, choose your position and do something.

Best of luck.

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I believe i
n order to change the system we must engage with it not ignore it. I'm not telling everyone else to do something without my own efforts. I'm not anti government, or anti military. I'm anti corruption. And my goals are simple. Obey my Oath and the constitution, and change the dynamic. Engage in the policy discussion rather than vilify it. You can't make any sort of change complaining and protesting and not engaging in the conversations that actually matter.

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I feel the same as you as far as the corruption and control by corporate interests in our government. Most of the people (besides the redcoat with the indentity crisis, lol) bashing you are hypocrites. They probably directly support the system they are so deadset aganist, by paying taxes and working for the corporations that have hijacked this country. I would never join the military personally, i'm not cut out for that rigid schedule nor would i ever sign a contract giving up control of myself (or the illusion of control) to the government under penalty of jailtime.

Other than that, i would rather somebody like yourself who thinks along the same lines as me join and represent our country, than brainless jocks who join in order to hurt people. Just don't let them change you, know that they WILL try and break your spirit and beliefs, keep reminding yourself of that. But at the same time don't let them know your political views, i fear you would regret doing that. We need good people in the military who understand who and what they are meant to protect. If we allow ourselves to be divided along the lines of civilians vs the military, we will fail to bring this country back to what it should be. It would only further enable those who have hijacked our government to convince the soldiers we are threats to them.

Originally posted by manxman2
and so should the rest of you yanks feel as he does ..

your administrations are murdering thieving scum. .. despised the world over.

how could anyone despise this lad here tho .. maybe there is hope for your country afterall .. but it will have to be bullets not the ballot box.

Or... It could be the Internet. The first link in my sig is a brief rundown of how a third option could take shape, and my book shows how it would look if we did what the post of mine illustrates...

To the OP... I believe enough will wake up and take this game a whole new direction. A better one. Especially if we implement the steps into the abundance paradigm.

I was completely against the invasion of Iraq.

However, U.S. soldiers have done a great job in Iraq, and it looks like the new Iraqi government might actually succeed in being the first successful democracy in the Middle East, and that would be an amazing accomplishment.

As far as the war in Afghanistan is concerned, every time I think about the Taliban killing girls for daring to go to school, I am in full support of the war. Too bad I am too old to enlist.

Yeah, U.S. corporations have far too much power in the U.S., and we were sold down the river under the GW admin.

I think electing Obama was a step in the right direction, even though I don't agree with some of his programs, there are other actions he has taken that clearly needed to be done, like reigning in the banks.

In order to sustain liberty, a society must continually be in a state or revolution.