Very Scary End Of The World Article

Actually this is what I think he's talking about on the 8th.

For those of us who cant be bothered to look, clarify this for us:
When are the asteroids meant to impact Earth?

I thought one of the dates was June 8th.

The first impact is between June 18th to 20th followed within days by another one.

Look for the War In The Heavens as our Star Wars systems come to life and try to blast them out of the sky!!!

I didnt think our SW systems were operational or just in the experimental stages?

Originally posted by NothingMakesSense

No I am certain the morning of June 8th the sky will put on a show, you must not have an interest in astronomy is you dont know whats up on June 8th.

Then what is going to happen on June 8th? Please tell instead of just saying I'm stupid.

I didnt mean for it to sound that way, I was hoping you would do a google search and find out what is supposed to happen then. Sorry for my tone on that post.

[Edited on 23-5-2004 by jrod]

Just wanted to go on record as saying "I don't buy it."

His tone and "revelations" just seem as a "attention grab", and his constant rebuttle to not "Getting Technical" as to "leave clues" makes very little sense imho. There's a difference between showing a truth as to educate and inspire further research, and to horde a bit of knowlege over persons without giving sufficient technical details to warrant further interest. And then saying, "If you want to know, fill in all my blanks for me."

Doesn't totally add up to me. We'll see I reckon.

I've been monitoring this story pretty much since it broke and this is my first post on it anywhere. I'm not here to debunk or prove this story. For one I find it amusing that all the posts in all the different threads regarding this all sound the same. Even more amusing is my guess that if you put the scientific world into text it would closely resemble the flurry of opinions, ideas and arguments you find in these threads.

Regarding the government cover-up-who knows. I support my country and at the same time wouldn't put it past my leaders. And in all honesty I'd probably go with the same "Protect the public by not telling them" line of thinking.

As far as getting actual scientific info about all this, I wouldn't count on it-and who knows, we might already have it but are not giving it credit based on the fact that this is the internet and you can be whoever you want to be and know whatever you want to know (my uncle/brother/neighbor/pet works for NASA). Besides what do we know anyways, hell what do they know! Facts are facts until another supposed fact is found out. When it comes to things like science no one knows anything for a fact. They only know data and what they believe that data translates into. Basically there are no facts. Just prescribed beliefs (kinda like religion huh?).

My opinion is this-do whatever you enjoy/think is appropriate to do. Stockpile supplies or do nothing and continue to live your life as you normally would. In the end what has changed? Does your knowledge about this possible event change the fact that it may or may not happen? Does someone's lack of knowledge change anything? Maybe and only maybe if it comes down to being prepared but when your talking about an ELE or massively cataclysmic event preparation doesn't matter much (please keep in mind I am speaking of the individual person not the race as a whole).

In closing I wish to state this-unless the afterlife (if there is one) is filled with free video games, beer and beautiful women attending my every need, I plan on getting as much of those things in before I move on. And should the after life disappoint me or not exist or I go to hell then I'll be even happier I "wasted" my time on things that are important to me, rather than flaming someone for their opinions, ideas, loud stupid sounding mouth. But then again what do I know, tomorrow God will speak to me or a rock from space will fall on my house. It might just happen...

Well said.

Even if I don't totally agree with you POV I applaud your elegant use of the english language.

As far as getting actual scientific info about all this ...

Indeed, the only credible source I can find so far on any element of this whole story is the link to National Geographic article (posted further up this thread, but here it is again - link) which confirms that the solar system is moving through some sort of dust cloud. It is clear from this item that this is not thought dangerous. That figures - dust and space gunk is entering our atmosphere all the time, and always has, without any cataclysmic effects.

Nowhere is there any mention of us being in imminent danger from asteroids, comets, rogue neutron stars and the debris associated with super-novae explosions. The rest of the more credible links (posted on this forum and elsewhere) are pointing to stories which discuss these issues in the most general terms rather than as specific, imminent threats.

Some of these discoveries are quite recent, and so there's been quite a lot of discussion about them in the scientific community.

This adds credibility to Aussie Bloke's posts when, in fact, all he's done is to create a plausible-ish sounding doomsday scenario from a 'pick 'n' mix' of recent astronomical discoveries (diamond neutron stars, etc) and known potential threats such as asteroids and comets.

I'm not a scientist so maybe completely wrong, but I'd certainly require a lot more compelling evidence before I start digging a bunker.





[Edited on 24-5-2004 by harrisjohns]

[Edited on 24-5-2004 by harrisjohns]

I think the bottom line is at this time we don't seem able to get verification from any source about the impending impact with Earth in June 2004.

Simply, it will or it won't happen and like someone wrote before (forgive me for not remembering) you can either stockpile supplies and try and prepare, or you can do nothing at all.

Speculate all you want but the skies will tell us if anything is going to happen. If they light up with unusual activity and are exceptionally bright etc. (amongst other things) 2 days before impact, we will know with certainty that we are on a collision course with the "3".

Originally posted by NothingMakesSense
Well said.

Even if I don't totally agree with you POV I applaud your elegant use of the english language.

Thank you for the compliment-and out of interest of discussion (i.e. noncombative) what is your POV on this whole ordeal?

And I can't help but bring this up and furthermore can't help but laugh at myself until it hurts but did anyone take head that the Alert was elevated today, five tornadoes today already, and one tornado hit CT which is extremely rare? AB was right, a flaming space rock is gonna hit my house...or is it? I just love the way these things captivate me and turn otherwise "normal" incidents into warnings that I don't know if I should listen to or not.

Again, I'm laughing at myself until it hurts.

I feel like Deniro
"Everytime I try to get out, they just drag me back in."

What a sick cycle our little minds go through huh? Or maybe it's just mine?

I'm not sure which way to go with this, could happen, just need to wait and see. What does detract from the plausability of it all, are the links between this, and the Bible, revelations, and so on. That alone is a minefield for interpretation, and where one could point to a passage in the NT and say, 'look, this is a prophecy of what is ahppening now!'; others can quite easily tear apart said passages and highlight the error on the part of hte reader in not understanding what the passages actually refer to.


This seems deliberate on occasions though, since many of the doomsayers will tap into the beliefs of people to back up their claims. Which only frigtens them. Saying that though, if there is a hint of truth in this latest scare, then I am screwed, since I'm meant to be moving to Australia this year, I might get a good view of the end of the world though .

erased and moved to new thread. ignore.

[Edited on 24-5-2004 by rustiswordz]

Thank you for the compliment-and out of interest of discussion (i.e. noncombative) what is your POV on this whole ordeal?

You're welcome. Well in the course of this thread I have flip-flopped several times between just making contingency plans and being convinced we are all going to die. My current position is the former; making contingency plans for the impact of up to several asteroids/meteors and/or comet tails. I give a 80% probability to a dust cloud surrounding earth and dimming the sun. Around a 60% probability for the impact of a larger meteor, but this number may change as we get closer to first impact dates. I give a 20% or lower chance of the impact of 2 asteroids and 1 "anomoly" as AussieBloke predicted, but this number may change as well.

At first I kind of hoped this would happen because it would give us a chance to rebuild humanity and correct many problems we have now. But then I realized that the thing that needed to be destroyed the most, the government, would most likely survive. So now I don't know. I'm kind of neutral, I guess. If it happens, it happens, and I will do my best to survive. I fit doesn't happen I will say okay good and wait for certain governments and societies to collapse under thier own weight.

jrod why did the thing with venus get on this thread? That was a little odd, to say the least...

The only slightly odd thing I have noticed is that the sun doesn't seem quite as bright as usual becuase I'm not desprate for sunglasses when I drive, but that could be attributed to summer haze, but that's what they want us to think! And I ususally don't track the "terror alert" system. If americans are dumb enough to need color-coded terror alerts something is desprately wrong with our society.

Oh, and someone on here mentioned an increase in government spending and resource consumption worldwide and attributed it to this topic. But it also might be because they are preparing for a catastrophic climate shift which was in another thread on here but I"m to lazy to find it. Here's the summary: the pentagon had a report on preparations for a massive global climate shift that could turn britain into siberia etc. if someone wants to provide a link that would be great.

Cheers everyone! Enjoy what could possibly be your last days!

5/24/04 1:55 eastern seaboard time
rustisword> what happened to your post that said if you see anything wierd put it on here?

In its place is the saying

"Erased and moved to new thread. Ignore"

What's up?

Did somebody hack your post?

I'll copy all this text to my clipboard in case this thread is being tampered with....

edit:
here is your original text:

Well we are in the crucial period now. Its 18:20BST 24th May 2004. This is the final full week of May and the first effects should, assuming that Mr A Bloke is correct, be seen / felt in about 7/10 days time ie next Monday.

there's something to be said for keeping old windows open...

[Edited on 5/24/04 by NothingMakesSense]

Originally posted by NothingMakesSense
5/24/04 1:55 eastern seaboard time
rustisword> what happened to your post that said if you see anything wierd put it on here?

In its place is the saying

"Erased and moved to new thread. Ignore"

What's up?

Did somebody hack your post?

I'll copy all this text to my clipboard in case this thread is being tampered with....

No i did it myself, NO conspiracy there. i thought it would be sensible to seperate it all out. If its all true the build up of sightings will increase now we are in the last week of May so to make it easier to look at i decided to start a new thread.

Ill cut n paste your post for you.

[Edited on 24-5-2004 by rustiswordz]

ok good. could you provide a link to the new thread?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

"What is a NEO?

Near-Earth-Objects (NEOs) are small bodies in the solar system (asteroids and short-period comets) with orbits that regularly bring them close to the Earth and which, therefore, are capable someday of striking our planet. Sometimes the term NEO is also used loosely to include all comets (not just short-period ones) that cross the Earth�s orbit. Those NEOs with orbits that actually intersect the Earth�s orbit are called Earth-Crossing-Objects (ECOs).

What size NEOs are dangerous?

The Earth�s atmosphere protects us from most NEOs smaller than a modest office building (50 m diameter, or impact energy of about 5 megatons). From this size up to about 1 km diameter, an impacting NEO can do tremendous damage on a local scale. Above an energy of a million megatons (diameter about 2 km), an impact will produce severe environmental damage on a global scale. The probable consequence would be an "impact winter" with loss of crops worldwide and subsequent starvation and disease. Still larger impacts can cause mass extinctions, like the one that ended the age of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago (15 km diameter and about 100 million megatons).

How many NEOs exist?

There are many more small NEOs than large ones. Astronomers estimate that there are approximately 1000 Near Earth Asteroids (NEAs) larger than 1 km in diameter, and perhaps a million larger than 50 m in diameter (the threshold for penetration through the Earth's atmosphere). The largest NEAs are less than 25 km in diameter. There are probably many more comets than NEAs, but they spend almost all of their lifetimes at great distances from the Sun and Earth, so that they contribute only about 10% to the census of objects that strike the Earth.

Who is searching for NEOs?

Several teams of astronomers worldwide are surveying the sky with electronic cameras to find NEOs, but the total effort involves fewer than 100 people. The most productive NEO survey is the LINEAR search program of the MIT Lincoln Lab, carried out in New Mexico with US Air Force and NASA support. The LINEAR team, which operates two search telescopes with one-meter aperture, discovered more NEOs in 1999 and 2000 than all other searches combined. Other active survey groups include the NEAT search program in Hawaii, carried out jointly by the NASA Jet Propulsion Lab and the US Air Force; the Spacewatch survey at the University of Arizona, funded by NASA and a variety of private grants, the LONEOS survey at Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff Arizona, supported by NASA grants, and the Catalina Sky Survey in Tucson Arizona, also supported by NASA. Other searches in the US, France, Japan and China also contribute to discovery of NEOs, while additional astronomers (many of them amateur astronomers) follow up the discoveries with supporting observations.

Are any NEOs predicted to hit the Earth?

As of the end of 2001, astronomers had discovered more than half of the larger Near Earth Asteroids (diameter greater than 1 km). None of the known asteroids is a threat, but we have no way of predicting the next impact from an unknown object.

What is the risk of impacts?

We don�t know when the next NEO impact will take place, but we can calculate the odds. Statistically, the greatest danger is from an NEO with about 1 million megatons energy (roughly 2 km in diameter). On average, one of these collides with the Earth once or twice per million years, producing a global catastrophe that would kill a substantial (but unknown) fraction of the Earth�s human population. Reduced to personal terms, this means that you have about one chance in 20,000 of dying as a result of a collision. Such statistics are interesting, but they don�t tell you, of course, when the next catastrophic impact will take place�next year or a million years from now.

How much warning will we have?

With at least half of even the larger NEOs remaining undiscovered, the most likely warning today would be zero -- the first indication of a collision would be the flash of light and the shaking of the ground as it hit. In contrast, if the current surveys actually discover a NEO on a collision course, we would expect many decades of warning. Any NEO that is going to hit the Earth will swing near our planet many times before it hits, and it should be discovered by comprehensive sky searches. This is the purpose of the Spaceguard Survey. In almost all cases, we will either have a long lead time or none at all.

Is there a problem with blind spots in the Spaceguard Survey?

Some press reports express concern that an asteroid could hit the Earth coming out of a "blind spot", such as the daylight sky or high southern latitudes where no Spaceguard telescopes are looking. Some worry that if an asteroid is found after its closest approach to Earth, this is an indication that the system is not working. These concerns seem to be based on the misconception that we are trying to detect asteroids as they approach the Earth on their final plunge toward impact. In fact, any such last-minute warning system is impractical as well as unproductive. In this survey, it makes no difference if a NEA is discovered on approach or departure from the vicinity of the Earth. The important thing is that it is discovered and its orbit determined. The only effect of blind spots, whether they be due to sunlight or moonlight or bad weather or lack of a southern hemisphere survey telescope, is to slow down the completion of the NEA catalog. Objects in blind spots will be picked up later, usually within a few years, in a more favorable geometry.

How can we protect ourselves?

NEO impacts are the only major natural hazard that we can effectively protect ourselves against, by deflecting (or destroying) the NEO before it hits the Earth. The first step in any program of planetary defense is to find the NEOs; we can�t protect against something we don�t know exists. We also need a long warning time, at least a decade, to send spacecraft to intercept the object and deflect it. Many defensive schemes have been studied in a preliminary way, but none in detail. In the absence of active defense, warning of the time and place of an impact would at least allow us to store food and supplies and to evacuate regions near ground zero where damage would be the greatest."

As of the end of 2001, astronomers had discovered more than half of the larger Near Earth Asteroids (diameter greater than 1 km).

Call me Mr Thick if you will, but how can you discover 'more than half' of a completely unknown quantity?