Too much anti U.S sentiment and "anti" period

reply to post by Kryties


So very true! I had the same thing just recently.

Get over it! is the simple answer to the OP.

Human beings aren't designed to like each other. We hate the next tribe and want to kill their chiefs and rape their women. It's only in the modern age that we try to mask these primal urges with manners, laws and conventions.

America is most hated because it is currently the most powerful tribe and America knows this and is fond of flaunting it's big hairy chest making the other tribes feel innadequate and jealous.

It's all just natural Humans will never get along we can't! Our technology and ideals have progressed far more quickly than our DNA and basically we are in constant turmoil with ourselves. That's why guys fight over chicks when they're drunk, that's why we enjoy sports that hurt each other and thats why we wage war on each other.

So if you think people are always being nasty to poor old USA get over it! It Human nature to hate you! When you fall from grace and a China, Russia or the United Euro States are number 1 honcho then you will hate them too.

reply to post by Jimmy1880


Don't take it personally, we just don't like your government and your foreign policies and your corruption, other than that we love you

everybodies entitled to their opinion..its only words...Americans can be quite naive...but i don't hate them...i think of them more as an offspring, a sibling, an annoying younger brother...but i love America in an unconditional way ....if people make comments that hurt you just shrug them off who cares its only an individuals opinion, you can believe whatever you want America and in life there are lots of things that you don't like or agree with, but if both sides of the party trully believe something and makes a statement which side of the party is telling the truth? its annoying to hear an opinion you dont agree with, but you've got your opinions too which may annoy someone else but just don't take it to heart.. but i agree if there is somebody just being out right crude and calling you names thats annoying but oh well! maybe somebody just feels very strongly about something........but this is just silly playground games..doesnt really mean anything, does it?

we are all adults on here, i wont deny the desire to chip in with some scathing remark about America and Americans, when certain threads are raised, but I don't make the post because I know it's childish and just being on this board you realise most members are not stupid and infact quite intellectual.

Of course there are the few morons who go to extremes, who you can just ignore.

I have to say this thread makes me think 'Sour Grapes'.

Recently, I have noticed a real trend in discussions. Americans, or people that purport to be American are getting 'owned' in internet discussions and debates.

Alot of the diatribe produced by much of the American community is easily being ripped apart and dissected in a brutal manner by other nationalities lucky enough to have received a decent basic standard of education and that have exposure to a unfiltered 'world view'. So for the folks that think they are number one at everything in the world, it's got to be quite disconcerting when they are publicly 'outed' as being on average 44th at most things. (Thanks Bill Maher!) Bang goes the EGO that most online Americans seem to have.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Americans per se, I just hate STUPID Americans. Unfortunately for America, there are a lot of them.

Unfortunately for the rest of the world, everywhere else isn't far behind in breeding populations of dim-wits. It could be said that I hold a deep dislike for 'stupidz' everywhere - and in-line with the OP's idea, there are an awful lot of them on ATS.

Therefore, statistically speaking, there are a lot of stupid Americans that log onto ATS, say something stupid and then wonder why many people shout "STUPID AMERICAN!" at them. If this forum were more internationally representative, I'm sure the "STUPID!" cries would have a much more international flavour. In my case, "STUPID BRIT!". Or with Germans, "Du bist eine arschlocke!". etc etc.

My point is, you will always get hate-speech and anti-whoever speech on ATS and internet forums, because quite frankly, alot of us deserve it. I'm an intellectual snob - if you're too stupid to contribute effectively or in a constructive manner, then expect a backlash for being an idiot.

Because America (and I don't have any joy in saying this) has more morons and idiots with access to the internet than any other country (that point is professed by many leading U.S. intellectuals), you'll see a converse reaction in terms of sheer annoyance at the presence of dumb Americans on the internet. Therefore the OP is right, just not for their reasons.

It will be interesting to see the 'smart Americans' sitting back and chuckling quietly as the dumb-arses from their country fall over themselves to decry this post. Attaboy Spot!

The Para.

reply to post by redoubt


I have noticed in my own life recently that a lot of the negativity that I have and had been experiencing in life was really more in the reception than the transmission. In other words, things in life can be taken in many ways and I had been accidentally choosing to take them the bad way. In traffic, if a person pulls in front of me and is slow, I may choose that they have done so in order to hurt me personally, perhaps for some (surely imagined) slight. Or I may choose that I have made a mistake in choosing the wrong lane, or should have been paying attention to whom were in the lanes ahead and how they were moving in relation to each other, and curse myself and welcome the suffering because it surely must be karma. Or I may choose that an old man inhabits the car, who has difficulty seeing, but is merely too stubborn or afraid to face the horror of the nursing home. Knowing that he must drive slow, he moves into the lane for slower cars, which may happen to be mine.
Either way the sun is behind and the rear glass is streaked, and so the vision of what's in the car is only guesswork.
Truly, much of the reality I inhabit is only guesswork, I've realized. Most of the time I can't really be sure of another's intentions, so it would be rude of me to presume ill of them in such a case. Also I've noticed that if a person meant a comment in a mean way, and I choose that it was meant in a kind way, they will almost never go to the effort and embarrassment of actually explaining their intention.
So, it would seem that choosing for the good in others is always the safest choice.

For example, the misunderstanding presented for us in the first few messages of this thread.

I agree with the OP. So many people have developed a deep-seated hatred of the USA and are completely irrational when discussing anything about the country or its people. It is a real shame because all the good that America has done and continues to do is over-shadowed by their mistakes. Yes, there are plenty of mistakes and many questionable actions taken in her history, but no country is perfect. Do we even know a quarter of the evil that the Russian, Chinese or Saudi Arabian governments have actually perpetrated on their own people or in neighbouring countries? How much of this has been revealed?

Not saying you cannot criticise the USA, but at least try and separate the average citizens from the small government faction that causes most of the trouble the country faces.

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Parallex, I think you may suffer from a Superiority Complex. It must be rather tough to live in a world with so many people that are intellectually inferior to yourself. Good luck discovering and experiencing new things with that mindset...

[edit on 11/10/2009 by Dark Ghost]

reply to post by LadySkadi


I wish I could give you a star for this post.This post says it all!

I have said this before and I will say it again....
If you don't like the United States,it's citizens and way of life.
Pack your bags and your visas and don't let the door hit your
behind on the way out.
If you want to stay,then shut-up and stop slamming this country.
I know the U.S. needs a lot of improvement,if you can make things
better more power to you!
If the United states is so bad,why are you here?Why did you leave
your country?
I thank God that I was born in this country.The United States is still
the best country ever on this planet.TPTB haven't reduced it to a third
world nation yet.

reply to post by alyosha1981


Do you expect the MODS to be chained to their computers 24/7?
Maybe, keep them locked in basements with litter pans and large
bags of kibbles and bits?
They do have lives to live!

reply to post by mamabeth

I have said this before and I will say it again....
If you don't like the United States,it's citizens and way of life.
Pack your bags and your visas and don't let the door hit your
behind on the way out.

I don't have a visa or even a passport, what should I do?

I started a thread when I first joined ATS.

Location Country

Part of the problem is the blind patriotism main from American citizens.
You don't see many other posters from other countries saying how great their country is. So when I see a post saying how great the USA is; I want to deny ignorance and educate that person.

I was going to start a thread suggesting we change ATS to be American Top Secret and have a new website for other 95% of the worlds population. I nearly left ATS a few months ago because I was just sick of seeing all the USA political threads dominating the board.

But I shouldn't grumble; because if it wasn't for the USA I would be speaking German.

Thanks for this thread OP. I hear so many people talk about wanting change. There were (and still are) people fanatically supporting Obama, I think, mostly due to his promise of change. There's no question that our country and the world needs change. The thing is that no one person (like Obama) can do it alone. It takes everybody in the world to take charge of their own thoughts and actions before change can happen in any 'real' sense. We can't stop and wait for someone else to change before we do it. Others may be waiting for us to do it. It's easy to get discouraged, especially for those who are trying to make a sincere effort to make a change in their own lives or little part of the world and then look around and seeing that they seem to be the only ones who are trying. IMO, we fail when we give up because we along with the whole world loses.

Change can be scary. It's easy to mock, denigrate, blame, and drag up the past in a (hopefully) subconscious effort to prevent change from happening. The unchangeable past will always shadow every single one of us on a personal and a global level. I think that the key is the present. The only real power that any of us have in our lives is what we do with the present. The past and future are figments of our imagination. The past already happened and the future depends on what we do with the actions we make every fleeting second of the present.

That's just my very humble opinion.

reply to post by gazerstar

Well said!

Originally posted by lightchild
I started a thread when I first joined ATS.

Location Country

But I shouldn't grumble; because if it wasn't for the USA I would be speaking German.

That is very true and I appreciate you saying it.I know my country
has a lot of faults.I know the U.S. gets too involved with other countries
problems.People still have rights here that they don't have in other
countries.I don't know how long we will have these rights,but we have
them right now!

reply to post by Copernicus


The US government is the people. Regular people work for the US government. Trashing the US government is no different than trashing Americans.

I would like there to be a flag display under avatars that states where someone is posting from. I take it most of the anti-American posts come from Europeans.

I'm guessing the general point here is that the powers behind this world conquest effort are using the United States to accomplish their agenda. Some people, for lack of a better term, use "The United States" to represent this agenda even though it is world wide and with origins outside the United States. Today it is the USA a few centuries ago it was "The British Empire". While our "Pride" may suffer if someone states that the USA is doing something inappropriate, right now it's still pretty likely to be the truth.

For a few years I've noted a push in society, generally, toward polarisation of opinion, strangely based on the homogenisation of information given to us. We see it large in the media with the Us and Them routine, and it has become rooted where its seeds were cast.

In our childhood indoctrinations we each had some polarised beliefs to others in our own society. They grew as we did, and we took in matching information when it suited our indoctrination.

Competition is the thing that makes people think, believe and shout how their nation is the greatest, and, it is also what causes negative thoughts about others who may play by different cultural rules. It causes the head-on arguments people have not only on forums but in daily lives. The competition is all for Power, to feel better about themselves by besting someone else no matter how it was done.

It is a false reward that fades as quickly as it was gained.

The lack of Manners today is because we all stopped demanding it be a part of everyone's world. So now we see what type of fruit those seeds produce and we do not like it. In order to cope with this, we must show by example what manners are and how we use them.

At the same time, poor manners needs to be addressed by all so the message really does get in. Simply ignoring poor manners will not work. The person must be responded to immediately and with manners be told.

Make a point here..... It is not the person at fault, it is only the behaviour which is a problem.

The next problem I see is how easy it is to get a little hot-headed when reading something inflammatory. Best then to read, and not respond as a Reaction. But that is up to each person to learn self-mastery, we cannot demand everyone to heal their issues before typing.

So my thoughts on how to fix this are:-

Demand and Show Manners at all times.

Poor manners get highlighted by the community so the member using such manners "gets the picture", and understands it is not a personal attck on them.

[edit on 12-10-2009 by Tayesin]

Originally posted by stevegmu
reply to post by Copernicus

 

I would like there to be a flag display under avatars that states where someone is posting from. I take it most of the anti-American posts come from Europeans.

So? Most of the anti-European, anti-English, anti-British posts come from Americans. What's your point exactly?