HELP!!! NASA's missile to the moon

Originally posted by -NewSense-
Only one of those links has any credibility to my knowledge, and it didn't say a single thing about a 5 mile wide crater. But, I'll play this game I guess. Let's assume that they will be blowing a 5 mile wide crater into the moon..how is this any more of a threat than the millions of meteors and what not that slam into the moon regularly? With much more force I might add..

Boy I can't wait till Saturday. If anything major happens I'll give you everything in my savings account. I promise.

[edit on 7-10-2009 by -NewSense-]

Yeah, they're quite willing to use websites that refer to NASA statements with no cited references, but seem to refuse to accept ACTUAL NASA statements.

The impact crater that will be made by the LCROSS Centaur impact will be around 20 meters in diameter.

NASA LCROSS Faq

Does ATS have [TROLL] tags yet? This should be either put in the Grey Area or Skunkworks.

The non-existent aliens that are not present on the moon will fail to be upset by a small projectile that if they actually did exist, they would be able to stop with great ease.

So just relax and don't worry about it.

reply to post by Ha`la`tha


if only these people were trolls. i am under a very bad impression that these people are in fact just ignorant and wont look at facts presented to them and instead rely on calling the rest of us blind and stupid

www.foxnews.com...

No a missle/bomb but a craft of sorts.

What happend to the -2 ton kinetic bomb- creating a 5 mile wide X 5 mile deep crator. Now it says a 20 meter diameter hole be made? Did I imiss something here, 20 meters and people on earth will still be able to see it with personal telescopes.

reply to post by Doc Tesla


They're also set in their belief that only bad things happen. What a scary world it must be to live in, where even presented with facts they have to create fantasy to justify their outrage.

reply to post by ocker


Cool mate that was a reply to your sarcasm, I did not knock him I just opposed his sources and said why, point taken and in future I’ll refer to the MSN that we constantly bash here. Look over my posts and tell me if I was unfair. Valkyr8 wrote a thread about aliens and humans being killed on the moon think about it why would nasa attack it’s own bases and as for aliens if they could travel trillions and trillions of miles with the fuel that fits in a small U.F.O I’m sure they could sabotage any threat to them, if they are here they’d be recon they’d be monitoring every single communication on the planet and im sure they would not sit around waiting for this thing. To some people on this site it's against the rules to disagree with the op like they have some kind of god status and there word is key, sorry mate but I’m not an a== l==ker if you want to agree with everything your mate writes that’s up to you, I question everything.

interesting read. Either way, we cant stop it, so just get your BIGS out and watch the show, im sure it will be something spectacular. I will be watching from my garden, hopefully it will be a clear night.

Just to add the person who said 20metre crater? where does it say this? and how would we be able to see the cloud from a 20metre crater? Thanx

Originally posted by ufo reality
www.foxnews.com...

No a missle/bomb but a craft of sorts.

They won't listen. No matter how many times you show them there's is no bomb they'll get technical and disregard it. "But there is an explosion!" Blah. Technically poppin a pimple is an explosion..

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


I think it has always been a 20m crater that someone exagerated to 5 miles. As posted earlier, a much bigger (300,000 vs 2.5 tons) object traveling much faster (13kps vs 2.5kps) only left a 1200m crater on Earth. Not sure that most home telescopes will be able to see it. NASA website says 10-12 ametuer telescopes should be able to see it. Most home models I have encountered are in the 6-8 in range.

Not to induce more panic, but their are not one, but TWO impactors on this mission. The Centaur rocket stage is the main one creating the 20m crater adn ejecting about 350 tons of debris. The second, called the Shepherding Spacecraft, will impact after flying thru the first debirs plume and collecting data. Is is expected to leave a 14m crater while ejecting 150 tons. Also the plume from the first isn't expected to go much higher than about 10k (not 60k.)

No explosives, no 5 mile crater, no orbital destabilization, no alien/human moon bases hurt.

I hope this clears up a bit of mis-info thats flying around on the various "OH NOES WE IZ BOMBING THE MOONZ!!" threads.

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
What happend to the -2 ton kinetic bomb- creating a 5 mile wide X 5 mile deep crator. Now it says a 20 meter diameter hole be made? Did I imiss something here...

It was mis-reported by sources such as the San Francisco Gate. It was never going to be a 5-mile wide crater.

Originally posted by Valkyr8
reply to post by Phage

 

Reality!! How about being a physocist! I am a student of Astrophysics, Cosmology, Particle Physics, Quantum Physics, Nuclear Physics, Ancient Human civilizations, Paleontology, and Evolution. I think I'm a little more tied to reality than you are Now I think you are the one that needs to get a grip with reality pal! There are potential lives at steak here. Get you head out of your butt and take a good whiff of what you are shoveing!

The only thing at "stake" here are those "steaks" you speak of... cause I'm gonna put a beat down on one when it comes off the grill tonight

Originally posted by pazcat
Its not just that there are no aliens on the moon it is also quite fair to say there are no humans on the moon or secret moon bases aswell.
In short NO 'moon people' will be harmed.

was waiting for someone to say that!!!t

this is a non-issue people!

if you're going to believe in the existance of UFOs, aliens, and abductions you must based on facts and evidence, and not freak out and fall for every silly conspiracy story you hear.

when you run around going crazy about harming the aliens and people living on the moon (!) and the ecosystems there you make us all look brain damaged.
I hope they don't hurt the unicorns either.

don't deny science just because you believe in some thiings our science hasn't caught up to yet.

reply to post by ocker


I'm gonna hijack the thread a bit.

We're not 100% sure what will happen, and big surprises are possible."

With this ROCKET going up in a flash of heat and light (like it said in the post. NOT an explosion, more of a 'bang'), and them expecting to find water in the plume.... They're gonna get a surprise, all right.

They're going to have a Reeses Peanut butter cup on their hands!

Let me explain:

They're slamming a rocket, containing fuel- Unless I am wrong, which usually contains a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen into the moon... to stir up moon debris and look for H2O. Then there's the structure of the rocket itself, chock full of metals, chemicals, ect- Soooo.... they are going to examine a plume made up OF- Moon dust, Moon rocks, rocket bits, and a cloud of fuel (no matter how small the amount may be). All mixed up in one massive mess.

Someone (Phage?) explain to me how they are going to separate what's on the moon from what went up in the impact? It's like trying to sift all the pieces of a Rolex out of a bin of 10,000 cheaper watch parts in one dump. Using your hand. Or, like I said about the peanut butter cup... Watch the old commercial on Youtube: "You got your chocolate in my peanut butter!" "you got YOUR peanut butter on MY chocolate!"

Ummm... why are they doing this again......

Edited to add: I am on the east coast- so does that mean I have to be up and squinting thru the sun to see this 'moon shattering' *cough cough* event?





[edit on 7-10-2009 by wylekat]

[edit on 7-10-2009 by wylekat]

Originally posted by wylekat
With this ROCKET going up in a flash of heat and light (like it said in the post. NOT an explosion, more of a 'bang'), and them expecting to find water in the plume.... They're gonna get a surprise, all right.

They're going to have a Reeses Peanut butter cup on their hands!

Let me explain:

They're slamming a rocket, containing fuel- Unless I am wrong, which usually contains a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen into the moon... to stir up moon debris and look for H2O. Then there's the structure of the rocket itself, chock full of metals, chemicals, ect- Soooo.... they are going to examine a plume made up OF- Moon dust, Moon rocks, rocket bits, and a cloud of fuel (no matter how small the amount may be). All mixed up in one massive mess.

Someone (Phage?) explain to me how they are going to separate what's on the moon from what went up in the impact? It's like trying to sift all the pieces of a Rolex out of a bin of 10,000 cheaper watch parts in one dump. Using your hand. Or, like I said about the peanut butter cup... Watch the old commercial on Youtube: "You got your chocolate in my peanut butter!" "you got YOUR peanut butter on MY chocolate!"

Ummm... why are they doing this again......

Edited to add: I am on the east coast- so does that mean I have to be up and squinting thru the sun to see this 'moon shattering' *cough cough* event?

The link has been posted by me a number of times in both threads....

Will LCROSS contaminate the Moon with metals and fuel from the rocket and shepherding spacecraft?

The Centaur upper stage and LCROSS spacecraft will not vaporize or disintegrate during impact, but will mostly crumple and break apart. Most of the material will be warmed to several hundred degrees just through the compaction process during impact. Any unspent rocket fuel (primarily hydrazine) will most likely “flash”, or burn, at impact. With regards to the Centaur we are being very careful to purge as much of the rocket fuel (hydrazine, liquid oxygen and hydrogen) as possible so as not to contaminate our measurements. The bulk of the rocket material will stay within a crater diameter of the impact site (about 20 meters) so mess we make will be fairly confined to a very small area.

LCROS FAQ from NASA....

reply to post by Ha`la`tha


Somehow, I missed the article. Sounds nice on paper... but in actuality....? I'll bet $1 NASA puts on a huuuge show, and the 'data' will be pored over for 'a long time'. Meanwhile, behind closed doors, a bunch of scientists are gonna be banging their heads on desks trying to figure out the gobbledegook that got sent back, because the rocket stage didn't do everything they thought it would... Nothing goes perfectly as planned, with NASA, half as much.

They'd be better off with an impactor that goes right into the rock, drills, burrows, whatever, and sends back data that way.

Originally posted by wylekat
reply to post by Ha`la`tha

 

Somehow, I missed the article. Sounds nice on paper... but in actuality....? I'll bet $1 NASA puts on a huuuge show, and the 'data' will be pored over for 'a long time'. Meanwhile, behind closed doors, a bunch of scientists are gonna be banging their heads on desks trying to figure out the gobbledegook that got sent back, because the rocket stage didn't do everything they thought it would... Nothing goes perfectly as planned, with NASA, half as much.

They'd be better off with an impactor that goes right into the rock, drills, burrows, whatever, and sends back data that way.

All we have at this point is what is on paper and speculation, really. Nothing is guaranteed, especially with a mission like this, as it is, they have 1 go at it, and any deviation from what's expected will skew results, Im sure.

I don't know the logistics of employing a device that actually drills into the moon, but I think for this scenario it would be overkill and cost prohibitive - as long as estimated amounts of contaminants and introduced O2 are measurably depleted on impact, the results should still indicate whether there is sufficient water in the area to warrant a proper evaluation.

I mean as it is, preliminary evidence has shown water in ice form is present in the soil, but is it in sufficient quantities to allow a manned structure on the moon.. that's the question. If they can determine the case based on this, it would be far more cost effective and yield results of interest, with far less effort.

I do agree tho, it will be a log time before we hear anything conclusive in between quips from one extreme to the other - and then we'll have varying experts swaying one expert opinion to the next.

BUT as I originally said on the other thread, if humans had never chopped down a tree to make a boat, we'd have gotten no where.

I see this is a good step in determining the next stage of our role in the solar system. We've come so far in the last 50 years, from tin cans lobbed into space, to landing on the moon, to having commercial flights into space. Once we have a reason to actually get there beyond the thrill, it will in a matter of years, become common.

As someone else in one of these threads said, it is indeed a good time to be here to witness these events. I agree.

Will humans screw up and make a mess occasionally? more often than not. But I don't see that as limitation. I see that as learning.

I just wish I was still in my 20's to be with it when Im in my 40's.


[edit on 7/10/2009 by Ha`la`tha]

Originally posted by Valkyr8
Good evening everyone,

We all know that there are humans and other races on the moon conducting these projects.

Valkyr

NOW you got me very, very worried ! My uncle and my cousin left Earth 2 days ago with a low-cost antigravity ship to spend a week-long holiday on the moon and now the evil NASA is putting them in harm's way ! Just to find a little bit of water ! Who cares about water ? My uncle has enough good italian wine with him for himself and any alien guest he would meet and play bowling with, so again, who cares about water ?
Seriously, IMHO this kind of discussions should be immediately deleted, as they strip ATS of any little credibility it still has

[edit on 8-10-2009 by Mario78]

Originally posted by Valkyr8
reply to post by -NewSense-

 

www.shortnews.com...

This is one of hundreds. Just do a google search with these word:

"Nasa missile moon 5 five mile crater"

You'll get hundreds of reponses with these EXACT words

I just got 3000 results on a google search on a word I made up. Go ahead, make up a 5 or 6 letter word and see how many results you get.......

Originally posted by Tiloke
I just got 3000 results on a google search on a word I made up. Go ahead, make up a 5 or 6 letter word and see how many results you get.......

Or as the enlightened ones would say - you are just unaware of the words you speak, for they hold ancient knowledge and only when you are ready will you become aware of that for which you google!

Don't give them ammo, you can't beat them at their own game because they always have an escape hatch...