HELP!!! NASA's missile to the moon

reply to post by Phage


So now your going to attack my spelling.... ok.... So what big deal I can't spell. Thats is what a spell checker is for is it not?

So, what I am seeing is that most of you really don't care about the potential lives at steak both human and other species of people. Not to mention the biosphere and ecosystems of the moon.

My suggestion to you guys is to do some real research far beyond the superficial crap that is spoon fed to you.

Part of me asks why do I even bother with some of you. Well here is the answer... I do care about the human race, the other species of animals, and non terrestrial biological species of people. I would hope that some people who have an elevated conciousness would have the same values. But that is too much to ask for some people. My apologies for careing about all forms of life!

reply to post by Valkyr8


Unlike all of these NWO conspiracies that can last a lifetime, yours will be proven a false flag and on Saturday you can come back here and claim you was wrong.

reply to post by -NewSense-

Source?

Google?

www.sfgate.com
"The rocket will crash into the crater at 5,600 mph, creating a new crater - perhaps as large as 5 miles wide."

www.telegraph.co.uk
"Scientists expect the impact to blast out a huge cloud of dust, gas and vaporized water ice at least 6 miles high "

www.scientificamerican.com
" it will send the missile into the Moon at twice the speed of a bullet"

"producing a spectacular explosion that should be visible in amateur astronomers' telescopes."

clipmarks.com
"a NASA orbiter that will bomb the moon with a 2-ton kinetic weapon to create a 5 mile wide deep crater as an alleged water-seeking and lunar colonization experiment, is contrary to space law prohibiting environmental modification of celestial bodies."

reply to post by Valkyr8


Don't say the spell checker is for catching mistakes in spelling and not use it.

Thats like saying oven mitts are for taking hot pans out of the oven and then not use them.

Only one of those links has any credibility to my knowledge, and it didn't say a single thing about a 5 mile wide crater. But, I'll play this game I guess. Let's assume that they will be blowing a 5 mile wide crater into the moon..how is this any more of a threat than the millions of meteors and what not that slam into the moon regularly? With much more force I might add..

Boy I can't wait till Saturday. If anything major happens I'll give you everything in my savings account. I promise.

[edit on 7-10-2009 by -NewSense-]

reply to post by LordBucket


clipmarks.com is not credible as it takes it's sources from other sites this one being www.federaljack.com a conspiricy site.

www.sfgate.com
"The rocket will crash into the crater at 5,600 mph, creating a new crater - perhaps as large as 5 miles wide."

Perhaps!!!

The other sites mention nothing about the crater.

reply to post by Valkyr8


I checked, there are no missiles involved...they're just going to crash 2 spacecrafts onto the surface... probably to check if the greys live in the moon. knock knock...

reply to post by -NewSense-

Only one of those links has any credibility to my knowledge,
and it didn't say a single thing about a 5 mile wide crater.

...ok, how about we read the official mission summary on nasa.gov ?

"LCROSS Shepherding S/C (S-S/C) accurately directs the 2000 kg EDUS into a permanently shadowed region at a lunar pole, creating a substantial cloud of ejecta (~60 km high, >200x the energy of Lunar Prospector)"

They expect this event to produce a debris cloud SIXTY KILOMETERS HIGH? This is not a trivial event.

Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to post by -NewSense-

 

Only one of those links has any credibility to my knowledge,
and it didn't say a single thing about a 5 mile wide crater.

...ok, how about we read the official mission summary on nasa.gov ?

"LCROSS Shepherding S/C (S-S/C) accurately directs the 2000 kg EDUS into a permanently shadowed region at a lunar pole, creating a substantial cloud of ejecta (~60 km high, >200x the energy of Lunar Prospector)"

They expect this event to produce a debris cloud SIXTY KILOMETERS HIGH? This is not a trivial event.

A cloud of smoke is alot different than a 5 mile wide crater. I don't get what you're tryin to prove here? The debate wasn't about how much smoke or dust this impact will make.. are you not following the thread?

reply to post by LordBucket


you have the common sense of a bucket. ill try to explain slowly.

The moon is a celestial object floating in space. Space has alot of rocks of various sizes. The moon is hit by these rocks on a daily bases. There are some craters on the moon that go into the hundreds of miles in width. The moon is a trooper it can take a hit for the team.

A 6 mile debris cloud is nothing when talking about space. i don't trust the government but i trust the guys in the lab coats. Probably because of all that college they went through.

reply to post by Valkyr8


There is no ecosystem on the moon. No one will be disturbed. I think that if there was something there we would have found it by now. And even if it was a secret i don't think our government is stupid enough to bomb the Gray's secret base.

But in all seriousness the moon wont even notice the small rock we are throwing at it.

Originally posted by windowlicker80
reply to post by LordBucket

 

clipmarks.com is not credible as it takes it's sources from other sites this one being www.federaljack.com a conspiricy site.

www.sfgate.com
"The rocket will crash into the crater at 5,600 mph, creating a new crater - perhaps as large as 5 miles wide."

Perhaps!!!

The other sites mention nothing about the crater.

www.federaljack.com a conspiricy site.

Ah is that like abovetopsecret.com is a conspiracy site .
and people quote material off this site.
Deny ignorance .

Anyways good thread Valkyr8 what possibly are they going to achieve out of this that they don't already know?
star and flag

Thanks

reply to post by -NewSense-

A cloud of smoke is alot different than a 5 mile wide crater.
I don't get what you're tryin to prove here?

And I don't understand why you're so determined to dismiss this. Your first post in the thread claimed that "there will be no explosions." People immediately responded that YES there will be an expllosion. You denied it and then you had the audacity to post insulting people for "clearly not researching the topic before stating their opinions."

So I gave you some sources and you dismissed them. So I gave you a NASA source, and now you're arguing explosive width versus explosive height?

What WOULD it take for you to be concerned?

reply to post by Doc Tesla

A 6 mile debris cloud is nothing

60 kilometers is 37 miles, not six. That's almost 2% of the entire DIAMETER of the moon.

nothing when talking about space

Yes, and the entire planet earth is probably pretty insignificant when talking about the vastness of space, too. We could blow up the whole planet and it wouldn't make much difference to the universe.

Shall we do that too?


There's a certain degree of care and caution that is reasonable when performing scientific investigation. Have you ever been on an archeological dig? I have. They use toothbrushes to dig, so as to not disturb anything.

The whole idea of massively blowing the place up to perform such a trivial test seems to me to be bad methodology and generally a bad idea. When you want to study something, you don't blow it up. It tends to destroy information. Imagine if archeologists were to use dynamite instead of toothbrushes on their dig sites. It sure would speed up the process, but do you think maybe something would be lost in the process?

common sense

Ok, let's talk about common sense.

Does it make common sense to smash a 4400 pound object into the moon hard enough to create a 60 kilometer high dust cloud to check for water?








[edit on 7-10-2009 by LordBucket]

reply to post by Valkyr8


Could you please offer a link to any news item that says there will be a 5-mile crater?

BTW, did you happen to notice all the *other* craters on the Moon? They're caused by natural objects striking the moon. It happens all the time. Some of those craters are hundreds of miles in diameter.

And it's *not* a missile. It's just some metal, about the size of a school bus. It will slam into the Moon and stir up some detritus. Scientists will observe this stuff and try to determine whether there is ice in there.

As I pointed out in a previous post (in a different thread), the effect of this "missile" on the Moon would be like something far less than a grain of salt hitting a large man. Something about one 300 millionths of the mass of a grain of salt, hitting a 200-pound man. Less than a dust particle.

Relax. We're not big enough to hurt the Moon.

reply to post by Valkyr8


If you actually knew something about those topics, you wouldn't be so overwrought about this intended crash. Not only am I a *student* of physics (and many other topics), I actually learned some physics.

The difference in mass between this object we're sending, and the Moon, is on the order of 10^18. That's assuming the object has a mass of 70 metric tons, vastly greater than its actual mass.

What this means is that our little "Impactor" won't have any more effect than a gnat striking an automobile. In fact, a gnat striking a car would have far more effect than our Impactor.

As for the people living on or in the Moon - you're one of the very few people who knows about that. In fact, most people are quite certain that no one lives on or in the Moon. Doesn't make them right, of course, but you might want to consider whether you've got your facts straight.

reply to post by LordBucket


o no please go ahead and quote me out of context.

anyway. i found nothing about a 37 mile cloud. i found several websites that say it will be a 6 mile cloud.


this is not a trivial test. If we do find water there, it could be the first step in colonizing the moon which can then be used as a platform to travel to mars and beyond. this isn't some wanton destruction.

look at the published date of your source. 2007. the 37 mile cloud was an estimate.

you sir have played and lost would you like to try again?

Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to post by -NewSense-

 

A cloud of smoke is alot different than a 5 mile wide crater.
I don't get what you're tryin to prove here?

And I don't understand why you're so determined to dismiss this. Your first post in the thread claimed that "there will be no explosions." People immediately responded that YES there will be an expllosion. You denied it and then you had the audacity to post insulting people for "clearly not researching the topic before stating their opinions."

So I gave you some sources and you dismissed them. So I gave you a NASA source, and now you're arguing explosive width versus explosive height?

What WOULD it take for you to be concerned?

-sigh-

THERE IS NO EXPLOSION! NO BOMB!

The impact will be made by force. Not an explosion. Please refrain from posting in here again. You're getting nowhere.

Hi hope some of the literature from NASAS LCROSS viewers guide
may help .

The actual impacts commence at 4:30 am PDT (11:30 UT). The Centaur rocket will strike first, transforming 2200 kg of mass and 10 billion joules of kinetic energy into a blinding flash of heat and light. Researchers expect the impact to throw up a plume of debris as high as 10 km.

The LCROSS team hopes many people—amateurs and professionals alike—will observe and photograph the plumes. "The more eyes the better," says Day. "Remember, we've never done this before. We're not 100% sure what will happen, and big surprises are possible."

science.nasa.gov...

Informative read guys n gals

Ocker