The first throes of Civil War are here

reply to post by uaocteaou


I wonder at what point will the straw fall upon the camel's back.........

A few years ago, someone spouting off about the NWO would have been laughed at by many. Now, the reality of the situation forces a somber look at a situation that is near undeniable.

The proof is in the pudding. I do believe there is a certain ammount of provocation going on. The fed's would love to declare martial law, and are looking for a fight. they just need a reason. Perhaps they are waiting for the first shot???

Except for Viet-Nam type protests by the dis-enchanted youth and anti-war people, I haven't seen as much disenchanted voices in a long time. Now, I believe the silent majority of old, and the anti-war folks, and mom and pop, and Dems, Reps, and Libertarians, are actually joining together, as they see the handwriting on the wall.

If folks can get past the politics of the issues, and see the real picture, thinks will begin to change even faster. We ALL, have been sold out by both parties. Nothing ever changes in Washington. Methods might, but results are always the same. We get screwed by our representatives, no matter who's in office.

To all you folks who voted for the big O, have you asked yourself why he hasn't changed any of Bush's policies? The answer, and your're not going to like it, is he's playing on the same team as Bush. They all play for the same team. None of our representatives work for us, they work for the elites, and all the other special interest groups that run and influence our leaders. The idea of representating voters is just a small inconvienent fact. The only real power we have is our vote. But when the elites pick both candidates, it really doesn't make any difference to the elites who wins---they own both of them. Different methods---same end rersult. Why do you think Obama didn't repeal the Patriot Act?? because the elites need it . it's that simple.

Now, we return to our present predicament, all these enraged citizens. Does anyone believe we will ever have a real presidential election again?? I'm not so sure anymore. If martial law is declared , excuse me,---when martial law is declared, things will never be the same again. Add to this citizen displeasure with the government, an economy that is set to fall of the edge of recoverability anytime, and you have the mix for some serious unrest.

So, a civil war erupting, more like a war on Washinton, that's where the real problem is.

I'll repost here what i posted in another thread, as it has just as much relevance here as it did there:

A modern civil war is a war that you cannot win. In the war of independence, those that were afraid of financial ruin were in the minority, mostly land owners or businessmen. The average person was self-sustaining enough that being cut off from England had a small impact on their lives. So you had to fight against a relatively small bunch of resistors. Sure, there were patriots, but they were far outnumbered.

Now, however, the tables have turned and you are looking at fighting your own populace on top of everything else. This isn't revolutionary France, or the USA pre-independence. A staggering majority of the US population would rather kick back and eat their poisoned food while losing their brain cells to television and toxic treats. They just don't give a damn about what the government does, as long as their lives are not upset too greatly. They would willingly kill you or turn you in, because you represent a threat to their way of life.

Yes, the numbers of aware and angry are growing. But how many are willing to actually fight, fight for real for their rights? You are facing the prospect of fighting not just your government, but the vast majority of your own apathetic populace for what you believe in. That is a war that you absolutely cannot win.

Recall in "1984", the passage talking about the two children who turned their own parents over to the regime for a trivial infraction? That is the situation you find yourself in. You cannot win, because the very people you are fighting to save are just as much the enemy as the government.

We need to come together despite our differences. Throw away that childish mentality and grow up. Who cares if that guy down the street has a different view point than you. Why does it bother you? Why do you let someone else's view point bother you if what they believe and do isn't causing any harm?!

So why don't we make a legit attempt to start a group to do something instead of talking about it. I'm all for it. We need to start a group and exactly what we do can be determined later after we have brain stormed a bit.

I am not even American yet i wanted Obama to win the election like many other non-Americans.

I liked Obama, yet recently i am beginning to have doubts, with all the things i am reading about.

This might seem a weird analogy, but what with all the things going on he is kind of like an Emperor Palpatine figure.

If you think of the Phantom Menace, he is elected Supreme Chancellor of the Republic.

He says:

"Your Majesty, I promise if I am elected, I will bring an end to corruption."

Then in Attack of the Clones he is granted emergency powers, in the same vein that Hitler was:

"It is with great reluctance that I have agreed to this calling. I love democracy. I love the Republic. The powers you give me I will lay down when this crisis has abated! My first act, with this new authority, is to create a Grand Army of the Republic, to counter the increasing threat of the Separatists."

As Obi-Wan Kenobi remarks in Revenge of the Sith in reference to Anakin turning to the dark side:

"He was decieved by a lie... we all were. It appears that the Chancellor is behind everything, including the war!"

You might not be a Star Wars fan but everytime i watch it, especially the preqeuls, it's really weird.

reply to post by mrpotatohead


I entirely agree with you and you put it rather well. Unfortunately our voting system is also manipulated and tweaked, regardless of how everyone convinces their selves that it's not. It's a puppet show in Washington. Like theatrics control and manipulate emotion, therefore controlling opinion and action, thus is politics.

The illusion that is passed by TPTB is that we are in control but the informed know otherwise. Once again "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free".

Im going to say roughly the same thing here as Iv said at the last 279 "civil war/ ron Paul revolution" threads. Nothing is going to happen and it certainly doesnt change that fact by hyping up imaginary scenarios.

Civil wars occur under circumstances beyond that of your daily intake of Glenn Beck and alex jones. Revolutions occur across the nation, with all americans united, not a fraction of the population disgruntled ideologically.

The people who continue to spout civil war and revolution talk are the people wanting such a scenario to happen, because apprently their own ideological issues should effect the rest of the country. It doesnt work that way in reality. Folks can continue to waste their time posting revolutionary and civil war alerts but that will not do any sort of the such.

While I believe we are in depressive times, and that indeed civil wars and revolutions are possible, ironically they will happen when individuals like the OP least expect it (or want it for that matter).

yes the things you spoke of are pretty sad but i dont see anything changing until a majority of the people of this land get really p.o.ed. and that might even be difficult with the tv/propaganda box flashing their own spin on everything. the silence of said people so far has spoken loud and clear. i dont think sitting idly by in the woods will help, it will only serve to let the people get the wrong message. sometimes a society needs a hero whether it be real or myth. good post though

Originally posted by D.E.M.
Yes, the numbers of aware and angry are growing. But how many are willing to actually fight, fight for real for their rights? You are facing the prospect of fighting not just your government, but the vast majority of your own apathetic populace for what you believe in. That is a war that you absolutely cannot win.

Which is why we need the numbers on our side as opposed to the apathetic. Only then "can" we win.

reply to post by Kram09


George Lucas drew alot of inspiration from history, especially the rise of the Third Reich and the fall of the Roman Republic. Thats the great thing about history and humans. We are still the same creatures that were here 2000 years ago, with the same psychological patterns and Jungian archetypes.

What makes Star Wars so great is its appeal to those same patterns and archetypes.

This post is pure trash.

Anyone who took the time to read past the first paragraph should probably take a moment to re-prioritize their life.

reply to post by KAKUSA


Sweet avatar!

Do you know what kind of gun that is on your post?

I must be brainwashed and subservient because the current state of affairs seems more or less the same as ever. I see a corrupt system that won't go anytime soon. I see people getting so worked up that they turn the majority of people away from a movement, but attract the lunatics on the fringe that have no problem murdering their fellow peoples. Yup... I disagree with you about what I'm seeing so I MUST have something wrong with me.

Originally posted by ninecrimes
This post is pure trash.

Anyone who took the time to read past the first paragraph should probably take a moment to re-prioritize their life.

And if you did not read past the first paragraph you should probably not respond unless you have an intelligent reason to respond based on understanding the reasoning of the OP.

How enlightening...

All great movements are popular movements! As soon as by one's own propaganda even a glimpse of right on the other side is admitted, the cause for doubting one's own right is laid. Don’t be led astray fellow country men!

A love for America was instilled in us from an early age, every time you stood with your hand over your heart and gave your pledge you built allegiance and love for this land. Maybe it is hidden by all the rhetoric but it’s there. The USA will not be torn down! All of the world would burn first!

There will be no revolution that seeks to dissolve these United States. It is purely a suicidal notion!


We are an indivisible people, and we stand united, and against all who would seek to destroy us.

If it did come to light that there were powers at work to destroy our nation they would undoubtedly face the full might of the American war machine!



[edit on 25-9-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

I think I would like to chime in on this one:
The flames of discontent are there, and smoldering, however, it is the choice of the people to either fan or douse those flames. I am hoping that cooler heads prevail and we let the system work itself out. But if there is a civil war, then it has to be when our leaders stop being leaders and start to be tyranant, cause then they will have broken the social contracts with the public and the welfare of the people for whom they are suppose to govern. The time I believe is coming as a turning point to where we have a choice to either take up arms against said government or to use the system and play by the rules that are set down, following the laws. However, I do not believe we are going to go into a civil war, as it would do no one any good, and be bad for all those around. Alot depends on what the federal government does.

You want a real revolution? You want to hit the elite where it hurts? If every, and I mean every, working man and woman walked off their jobs and stopped the flow of trade and commerce TPTB would be kissing your ass and calling it ice cream. Learn how the world works people. The business of America is business. Money makes the world go round. Whether you like it or don't like it, learn to love it.

Just because obama wants to give $400,000 to Kadafi's son's charity in Libya

is no reason for civil war.


Just because obama wants to disarm America and to abolish our nuclear

arsenal that has kept the peace at home for decades is no reason for civil

war.


Just because obama has helped to empty The United States Of America's

coffers is no reason for civil war.


Just because our children have been brain washed to sing praises to the

messiah, obama, is no reason for civil war.


Just because obama's administration is spending and running deficits into

the $Trillions$ and even though our country is broke is no reason for a civil

war.

Just because obama does not like his opponents disagreeing with his

principals and philosophies and wants to quiet talk radio is no reason for a

civil war.


Just because we are no longer a Christian nation and obama favors the

muslim nations over his own country is no reason for a civil war.


Just because he is for socialism and believes in communism and capitalism

has been a failure in his eyes is no reason for a civil war.


Just because obama has circumvented the constitutional authority of

Congress by appointing Czars without their approval is no reason for a civil

war.

Just because obama wants to take our money and spread the wealth and

give it to the illegals thru government run healthcare and entitlement

programs is no reason for a civil war.


Just because you go to sleep each night wondering what freedoms and rights

you will have reduced or taken away from you the very next day is no

reason for civil war.


Just because he apologizes to the world on how bad we have been to the

world as a nation is no reason for a civil war.


Just because obama wants to tax, spend and control every aspect of your

life is no reason for civil war.


There is only so much space to write about what obama plans next for the

Weople and our once United Country. These things that obama has already

done to our country in a short time is each a block of ice and each together

forming a Titanic of an iceberg. ^Y^

reply to post by amari


Give it a break! Obama makes Bush look like Satan himself. Obama is now and was at election time, the people’s choice!

I dont see it turning in to a civil war.
But I do see an insurrection.
And, If you think the U.N. will let a civil war happen in this country you are wrong.