G20 MILITARY dudes? snatch guy from crowd into unmarked car - Illegal beyond belief

Originally posted by CX

Originally posted by djusdjus
ps, a military snatch and grab would use a windowless van and the guys inside wouldn't be dressed in fatigues.

also, the vic would be unconscious before being tossed in the wagon.

Maybe where you live or work, but i know that not once did we beat someone unconscious in order to get them to the wagon, which incidently was always a marked police van or armoured military vehicle, either way it was marked.

When you are taken by officers in this manner, it's not a cosy ride by any means, and there are methods of escorting suspects which are fast, effective and usually over before they know it.

Never have i seen anyone being rendered unconscious by us or another officer in order to get him in the wagon. We would have been court martialled for that.

Thats just my experience though. If we were short on vehicles, a plain car may have been used at a push, but it was rare.

CX.

beating is not the only way to render someone unconscious. lol

man, i don't understand why you guys would:

a: put up 2 pretty much unrelated videos and claim they support each other.

b: whine about someone calling it fake and then mock them.

I'm not mocking anyone, I just don't think these videos are plausible as what the op claims them to be.

period.

so, if you wanna talk about the vids fine, but if you want to mock me for pointing out the emperor has no clothes, I suggest you check yourself.

It should be obvious to anyone not completely asleep or brainwashed that the time for peaceful protest is OVER !!!
If the pigs illegally attack someone the person attacked and their cohorts need to resist !!

1776

This is going to make me horribly unpopular and declared ignorant, but considering the fact that I have more experience with the military than most here, that does not really bother me.

Lets look at the video. Four things tell me this is likely not military members:
1) Mismatched uniforms; these are not proper military uniforms
2) Improperly worn uniforms; rarely will one military member wear their uniform incorrectly, let alone 3
3) Lack of equipment; where are the flex cuffs, equipment belts, sidearms, protective gear, ect? If you are going to tell me this is a 'special ops team' to justify the different uniform, then there would be good equipment and lots of it, even if this was normal military personnel they would have equipment
4) Lack of military tactics; none of them were watching the crowd or trying to deter the crowd, there is a complete lack of military style tactics

Now, I will admit that it is possible for this to be staged to look fake, or for this to be police, or one of dozens of possibilities, but without additional information and an unbiased first hand account I would say that the most likely conclusion is that these were not military members. I could see this going either way, but there is insufficient evidence to conclude that this 'proves' either a staged event to create a riot or a military 'grab and snatch.'

One last thing: Posse Comitatus does not prohibit state governors from using their national guard as they see fit in accordance with state constitution and laws. It may not be 'right' but it is legal.

For a community of individuals that are supposed to 'deny ignorance' there is an appalling lack of research occurring. Jumping to conclusions with insufficient evidence may give us insight in the short term, but it hurts us in the long run as it makes us look paranoid and inhibits our ability to persuade others to 'deny ignorance.'

I agree they probably aren't military; they look like local thugs cops trying to dress like military. It happens all the time; military wannabes in police departments; its a major problem. And I know; the company I own does thousands of fitness for duty evaluation on LE and security people every year.
And you wouldn't believe what we see.
Again, the supposed military guys in the video are likely cops, period.

Originally posted by doctorwork
I agree they probably aren't military; they look like local thugs cops trying to dress like military. It happens all the time; military wannabes in police departments; its a major problem. And I know; the company I own does thousands of fitness for duty evaluation on LE and security people every year.
And you wouldn't believe what we see.
Again, the supposed military guys in the video are likely cops, period.

your credibility dropped out the bottom of the can when you called LEO's "pigs" dude.

You are clearly biased in your view and attach way too much emotionalism to your views.

Just sayin.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f18f8acf8af7.jpg[/atsimg]

I just learned how to embed photo. So is this the same guy, Looks like military and police hanging together.

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Holy Crap - look at their hand weapons!

Their gloves are covered in sharp, hard chunks to lacerate the flesh of those they punch!



[edit on 25-9-2009 by Exuberant1]

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Originally posted by tallwater
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f18f8acf8af7.jpg[/atsimg]

I just learned how to embed photo. So is this the same guy, Looks like military and police hanging together.

trying to quote the picture - GOLD crown victoria in the background?

Originally posted by tallwater
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f18f8acf8af7.jpg[/atsimg]

I just learned how to embed photo. So is this the same guy, Looks like military and police hanging together.

Excellent

now all the people calling BS can eat crow

Those are the same guys that put him in the car, and that is the same guy.

Interestingly, they are military uniforms, with special ID badges on their left arms. The police are legit. The guy on the ground is bound with cable tie - that is unusual and reserved usually for terror suspects.

They do not look happy.

The Para.

Originally posted by poisonmekare
Didn't someone write in the police scanner thread that some guy said he had a bomb in his back pack? and then later the street name Baum was mentioned over and over on the scanner.

Perhaps this is the same guy, in the first video. He is wearing a backpack. Who knows? Maybe they just wanted to get him as far away from the scene as quickly as possible to avoid death and destruction. They take bomb threats really seriously, especially these days.

Of course there are probably tons of protesters who had backpacks on so maybe its not the same guy.

I doubt their first reaction is to grab a bomber and bomb and drag them back to HQ.

Originally posted by Parallex

Interestingly, they are military uniforms, with special ID badges on their left arms. The police are legit. The guy on the ground is bound with cable tie - that is unusual and reserved usually for terror suspects.

Not to mention the soldier has his boot in the Citizens back...

...even though he is face down, cuffed and surrounded.

Traitors.


[edit on 25-9-2009 by Exuberant1]

Originally posted by Parallex
Those are the same guys that put him in the car, and that is the same guy.

Interestingly, they are military uniforms, with special ID badges on their left arms. The police are legit. The guy on the ground is bound with cable tie - that is unusual and reserved usually for terror suspects.

They do not look happy.

The Para.

The quick zip handcuffs are "reserved" for any fast-action - populated scenario where supplying the amount of standard handcuffs it would require would be a) incredibly expensive b) a lot of keys c) a lot of weight d) inefficient in terms of application and e) I will leave for the next poster to fill in the blank. feel free to continue the alpha-bet i'm sure you could.

Originally posted by djusdjus

Originally posted by doctorwork
I agree they probably aren't military; they look like local thugs cops trying to dress like military. It happens all the time; military wannabes in police departments; its a major problem. And I know; the company I own does thousands of fitness for duty evaluation on LE and security people every year.
And you wouldn't believe what we see.
Again, the supposed military guys in the video are likely cops, period.

your credibility dropped out the bottom of the can when you called LEO's "pigs" dude.

You are clearly biased in your view and attach way too much emotionalism to your views.

Just sayin.

Seems like only a pig would care.

Just sayin.

Originally posted by tallwater
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f18f8acf8af7.jpg[/atsimg]

I just learned how to embed photo. So is this the same guy, Looks like military and police hanging together.

Can one of the military guys answer this for me please, looks like the guy on the left is wearing both a bracelet and a wedding ring. Is that allowed in the military? Jewelery?

Looks like the jpg is proof that video is real and the video is proof that someone got snatched and grabbed right off the street. The question is who is he? Someone should get the video and jpg to some kind of media outlet. Even Alex Jones might be useful.

Originally posted by Hack28

Originally posted by tallwater
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f18f8acf8af7.jpg[/atsimg]

I just learned how to embed photo. So is this the same guy, Looks like military and police hanging together.

Can one of the military guys answer this for me please, looks like the guy on the left is wearing both a bracelet and a wedding ring. Is that allowed in the military? Jewelery?

We could wear a watch and wedding rings back in the early 90s.

Please folks - leave the pig comments and trash talk out of this - we're getting somewhere with this.

Check this out - Poor quality zoom in on the guys badge / bracelet thing:



Now, a logo of a popular military contractor:



Any similarity or is it too blurred to tell?

The Para.