G20 MILITARY dudes? snatch guy from crowd into unmarked car - Illegal beyond belief

would also like to add alot of times task force officers ie, sheriffs,gang task force officers and other plain clothes units ect will wear camos during events like these to stand out in a crowd civilians.

Military snatch and grabs do not look like this.

Originally posted by Gixxer

Military snatch and grabs do not look like this.

I don't believe you.

You are engaging in the rationalization of a heinous police-state activity.

There are other videos out there of fellow Americans being assaulted by fellow Americans.

This is sad truely sad. This video is not a fake.

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Originally posted by Gixxer
would also like to add alot of times task force officers ie, sheriffs,gang task force officers and other plain clothes units ect will wear camos during events like these to stand out in a crowd civilians.

Military snatch and grabs do not look like this.

You have no idea what a military "snatch and grab" looks like as it has likely been performed a number of times which i would prefer not to even begin to delve into guestimating due to the fact that i am not as so ignorant to claim I 'know'. They "snatch"ed him and "grabbed" him... very clearly... and they were wearing "military" fatigues... "looks" like a "military snatch and grab" regardless of what the labels are attached to it!

and to the poster who said... that he is engaging in rationalization of a police-state... how is he doing that? Sounded like he was trying to contribute some clothing knowledge and then claim he knows the difference between a military snatch and grab and or/ otherwise; I saw no rationilization.

Originally posted by TheLoony
So tell me, what kind of -ism are we practicing here in Amerika these days?

Socialism? Communism? Fascism? Totalitarianism?

Can anyone give me a legitimate reason this for this to have happened?

Did he have a gun and threaten someone? Even if so, is that reason for these guys, whoever they are, to have absconded with this guy? Where was he taken? What the hell did I just see?

You forgot the WORST of them all CAPITALISM, did you drop that out on purpose?

reply to post by CX


CX - If I met you, I'd buy you a beer.

Being a military police officer is a thankless and hard job. I know people who've done it, and I don't envy you mate. Your point about it changing things - it is UTTERLY and COMPLETELY different.

You were part of the fine stock that make up most of the British forces - generally by most accounts, good people. You policed them, and when in theatre, you did your duty.

The simple fact that you got on with it, did your job and didn't receive any of this 'behavioural conditioning' says to me you got off lucky. You kept your perspective when you did the job.

Civilian police are becoming 'officers' (a corporate term implying enforcement of contract law) rather than police men and women. A lot of it is because of selective recruitment and this behavioural training.

In your situation, I'm fairly sure you had just cause to 'snatch and grab'. Having been in several violent encounters myself, I can understand why. However, do you feel that in the situation filmed above - a political protest - the 'snatch & grab' technique is wholly unsuitable and actually quite disturbing in it's intent?

The Para.

fake.

sorry to be terse, but I don't believe that video to be reality. I believe it to be staged and distributed as a form of propaganda for university student style anarchy.

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by Gixxer

Military snatch and grabs do not look like this.

I don't believe you.

You are engaging in the rationalization of a heinous police-state activity.

More then one side to every story, in those videos i did not see "police-state activity" in the second one i saw a person being detained and being treated very humanely.

i do not support these leaders at this summit but be aware the police are there to protect person and property and it is not a fun job, there are protestors who who see it as a good thing to actually harm others.

Are there bad cops ? sure but the majority in pittsburgh are just people trying support their family and do their jobs and hopefully make it so everyone gets home at the end of the night.

ps, a military snatch and grab would use a windowless van and the guys inside wouldn't be dressed in fatigues.

also, the vic would be unconscious before being tossed in the wagon.

I think this is the so called anarchists seeking to be important in some way when they aren't.

I guess no one has denied you any ignorance djusdjus


Yeah propaganda my bASS!

This is the other video that goes along with the original. It's been already posted but I will post it again.





[edit on 9/25/2009 by Chaos Lord]

Originally posted by djusdjus
fake.

sorry to be terse, but I don't believe that video to be reality. I believe it to be staged and distributed as a form of propaganda for university student style anarchy.

Oh thank you God! We should have known oh! enlightened one... *bows away and scurries into the shadows*

Originally posted by Chaos Lord
Yeah propaganda my bASS!

This is the other video that goes along with the original. It's been already posted but I will post it again.

[edit on 9/25/2009 by Chaos Lord]

[edit on 9/25/2009 by Chaos Lord]

What do you see wrong in this video? someone detained for something being led away , looks pretty standard to me.

Is this the same guy that was abducted? Wow, a military dude with his sleeves rolled up.

reply to post by Parallex


Thanks.

Regarding the video in question, yes i would be making a serious understatement if i said it did make me raise an eyebrow.

If these were just protesters being vocal, no matter how intimidating it may be when they are in large crowds, i do not believe there is any excuse for using the methods seen here.

Then again, as always we only get half the story from this video. There may be a perfectly good reason why the guy was lifted.

I can see why some may say this is not how the military do snatch squads. There is a practised, organised method that the military train for and use to great effect sometimes, however not every situation is ideal for that.

You may have to adapt the method to meet your needs. if theres just a few of you dealing with the situation, then maybe one or two will have to take the person from the crowd, and you may not have the protection around you. It's not a nice situation to be confronted with and thats a last resort, but not every situation allows for the nice organised training method you were taught.

Whether it's a by the book snatch or a couple of you taking out a guy, it's still a variation of snatch squad. Sometimes it's hard to differentiate between the term "snatch" and a normal arrest.

Like i say though, i can't give an honest opinion when i wasn't there.

I do know this though, i'm so glad i made the decision not to join the civillian police after leaving the forces. I take my hat off to the good ones, and am ashamed at the bad ones. I just wouldn't want to be working alongside the bad ones. I'd lose my job in a week.

CX.

Hi, check this out. Found the pic on Yahoo News.

Here's the link to the page which includes a photo of a seemingly familiar protester dressed quite similarly to another guy at the G20 being arrested. Is this the same guy that is in the second video of the OP, and he is being arrested at another location? Just wondering.
In the second video the guy being arrested seems to be in a more suburban type setting, while in the picture I am linking to, he seems to be in a more urban type setting and I don't see the helmetless policecritter from the video involved in the action in the photo.


news.yahoo.com...:/ap/20090925/ap_on_re_us/g20_summit_protests

Sorry, in too much of a hurry to figure out how to post the actual photo in this message.

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Maybe just a photo from a different angle, eh? Probably.

[edit on 25-9-2009 by kyred]

How much longer will protesters go unprotected like the condemned to the lions. What we are seeing from the safe protection of our homes may be one of the last times protesters are taken peacefully.

This video and the police actions (rich mans army!) angers and worries me. If only our troops on the front lines had equipment and support like these military styled Police Officers violating the Freedom of speech of our fellow citizens... My thoughts are with those standing up for my rights.

May I humbly thank them for their efforts.

Originally posted by djusdjus
ps, a military snatch and grab would use a windowless van and the guys inside wouldn't be dressed in fatigues.

also, the vic would be unconscious before being tossed in the wagon.

Maybe where you live or work, but i know that not once did we beat someone unconscious in order to get them to the wagon, which incidently was always a marked police van or armoured military vehicle, either way it was marked.

When you are taken by officers in this manner, it's not a cosy ride by any means, and there are methods of escorting suspects which are fast, effective and usually over before they know it.

Never have i seen anyone being rendered unconscious by us or another officer in order to get him in the wagon. We would have been court martialled for that.

Thats just my experience though. If we were short on vehicles, a plain car may have been used at a push, but it was rare.

CX.

I also just have to point out... WOW did you guys ever pay for some fancy-ass ROBOCOPS to BO-peep the sheep around the pens.

I mean... just look at those suits... I am starting to feel like I'm in Halo or Half-life or something.

OK, I'm posting this on emotion... here goes...

[snip]. It's time to fight back. It's time to ban together and topple the mindless "following orders" traitors. It's time to fight the police! It's time to riot. It's time to storm the federal buildings and start shooting. They shoot you with sound weapons, they shoot you with gas, they want to inject you with poison, they want to enslave you, they want to take all your money, take your homes, brainwash and take your children, make you fight against each other. They don't care. They put you on a terrorist list, make you submit here and there, over and over again, they tax you, they ORDER you, they LIE to you, arrest you and sadistically mess with you and what do you do? NOTHING? (you is also me I suppose ) They do not respect you. Worthless eathers we all are to them. They parade around on TV as your idols, and you (we) are too stupid and docile. Lets worship them who shove their sybolic crap down our virtual throats...Poisoned with aspartame, flouride and high fructose corn syrup and heaven knows what else.. sprayed with chemtrails but still we don't take any stock.. just let them roll over you.. put you on a watch list.. one day they will come for you, for me and the rest of us will stand there and watch, they will grab you and order your friends to stand down.. no one will help. In my opinion (and I may be very very wrong) EVERYONE needs to take up arms and FIGHT. When the police grab one of us... one of our own, the rest of us need to grab them. Rush the athorities and take no more prisoners. Assert the freedom and water the tree of liberty. TAKE BACK your right and freedom. Or stand and watch as they take us away one by one by one. We are waiting too long.. they are already too strong i fear... the end is near. ciao 4 now RDDS

PS: Well, i could be wrong... never mind.



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