Cancer Cured in Canada, But Big Pharma Says NO WAY!

the pharma industry's are self supporting....they HATE humans who are not sick ore suffering...

reply to post by grahag

Chemotherapy has become greatly refined since I went through it. I actually did bypass the final cycle because of the condition it put me in. Scans showed that the tumors had disappeared by the two prior cycles.

It's no picnic but I bounced back pretty quickly afterwards. Remember the expression, "what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger". I don't know if I'm stronger but chemotherapy did not kill me. It did, however kill my Hodgkin's Disease (a very treatable form of cancer which is 100% fatal without treatment).

reply to post by Phage


Chemotherapy kills cancerous cells, but it's bad because it also kills good cells.

It's as if there are terrorists in a city, instead of going only for the terrorist chemotherapy destroys the whole city with it's innocent people inside.

Chemotherapy is basically a poison that kills cells.

I know there are a few natural cures out there, but when money is number one in the list you know what happens.

Here is an interesting article regarding dichloroacetic acid (the substance in question,) and the hype surrounding its potential use in shrinking or slowing the growth of tumors:

abcnews.go.com...

Its writer suggests cautious optimism, but stresses that assuring safety sufficient to warrant human clinical trials may be fraught with setbacks and risks.

reply to post by danielsil18

No.
The whole "city" is not destroyed in getting the "terrorists". I'm still here.

Chemotherapy does use poisons but the poisons which are used are selected because they have a greater effect on the cancer cells than they do on the healthy cells. The drugs which are used attack cancer (and healthy) cells at various stages of their reproductive cycles. Healthy cells (and cancer cells) which are not reproducing are not affected by the drugs. Chemotherapy is effective because cancers cells (the type that chemotherapy is effective on) multiply faster than healthy cells, they are in the vulnerable reproductive stages more frequently than healthy cells.

Its very similiar to MMS which is what I take daily

reply to post by angelx666


Wouldn't be supprised if simple antibiotics would cure cancer, too.... *sigh*

www.thedcasite.com...
here is an interesting link for you all

It is a sad world we live in when the greater good of man falls last to greed.

If I had the money I would gladly give it for this cause for the shear fact of knowing I am helping our race advance and I would expect NOTHING, and I MEAN NOTHING in return.

When will the people who work for these big pharma corps wake up and realize they are HUMAN BEINGS and the company should come last.

Where have the ethics gone? Where is the compassion? Maybe us as Humans do not deserve to live after all, considering how inhuman we can be.

reply to post by The Killah29


Why would they? Cancer cells are not bacteria. Antibiotics only affect bacteria.

reply to post by SpacePunk

Of course. There's no money in a cure. It's like consulting... if you can't be part of the solution, there's money to be made in prolonging the problem.

Of course..... of course what? I am sorry but the money is in the cure. That is why there is research going on worldwide. "Big Pharma" isn't a monolithic solely profit driven entity. There are many companies(sales driven), non-profit organizations(donations driven), and institutions (grant driven) competing to be the first to make our lives easier.

Whoever finds the cure, must get it through trials to prove it effectiveness, lethal dosage, and effective dosage. Then the FDA has to approve it, which alone could take years. All of this is an expensive process.

I hate how people assume 'Big Pharma' is out to get us. There are those individuals inside the pharmaceutical industry that are corrupt, but that is not the rule. If there is a cure, there is an economic incentive to get it on the market.

Some would say selling medicine is just unethical, but the sales is what drives innovation.

What if all the pharmaceutical companies just said "F$%& it. You are all on your own" and goes all Atlas Shrugged on us?

I am sure that if this innovation can be safely administered and do exactly what the new story said it could it will be a money maker.

Also, from what I have read from thedcasite.com and other sites, the problem seems to lie with the FDA and not the drug companies. Drug producers would love to get this drug, but the FDA process requires a patent.

Let me reiterate. THE FDA REQUIRES PATENT

Since you can't patent a public domain drug, you can't get it through the FDA. Another prime example of how Government messes everything up.

THE DCA SITE

Go to this link and check it out.

Originally posted by angelx666
many things fixing cancer, chelation therapy, hulda zapper, mms, hydrogen peroxide, oxygen therapy and a lot more, everything fix but chemotherapy

chemotherapy and radiotherapy makes you die of cancer faster

Many of the things you list here are not peer reviewed and things like chelation therapy are utter nonsense. Radiotherapy saved my mother from breast cancer. I guess the thousands, hundreds of thousands and even millions who have been saved by these treatments are all talking nonsense.

I do wish people wouldn't spout dangerous ideas. If someone reads your comments on radiotherapy and chemotherapy and then doesn't have the treatment, you are involved in their death.

Originally posted by DINSTAAR
reply to post by SpacePunk

 

Of course. There's no money in a cure. It's like consulting... if you can't be part of the solution, there's money to be made in prolonging the problem.

Of course..... of course what?

That should have read "Of course there's no money in a cure." or "I agree, there's no money in a cure." my bad.

I am sorry but the money is in the cure. That is why there is research going on worldwide. "Big Pharma" isn't a monolithic solely profit driven entity. There are many companies(sales driven), non-profit organizations(donations driven), and institutions (grant driven) competing to be the first to make our lives easier.

Those entities exist to enrich the executives of those companies.

Whoever finds the cure, must get it through trials to prove it effectiveness, lethal dosage, and effective dosage. Then the FDA has to approve it, which alone could take years. All of this is an expensive process.

Everyone has to get their ounce of flesh.

I hate how people assume 'Big Pharma' is out to get us. There are those individuals inside the pharmaceutical industry that are corrupt, but that is not the rule. If there is a cure, there is an economic incentive to get it on the market.

There is an economic incentive to create new cures that can be profiteered on untill their patents run out.

Some would say selling medicine is just unethical, but the sales is what drives innovation.

Selling medicine in one area higher than it is sold in another area is unethical.

What if all the pharmaceutical companies just said "F$%& it. You are all on your own" and goes all Atlas Shrugged on us?

Oh, they have. It's even more evil the way they go almost into saying "how much is your life worth to you?"

I am sure that if this innovation can be safely administered and do exactly what the new story said it could it will be a money maker.

Also, from what I have read from thedcasite.com and other sites, the problem seems to lie with the FDA and not the drug companies. Drug producers would love to get this drug, but the FDA process requires a patent.

Let me reiterate. THE FDA REQUIRES PATENT

Since you can't patent a public domain drug, you can't get it through the FDA. Another prime example of how Government messes everything up.

Yeah, let's blame the government, and not the pharma industry that pushed for that rule.

Is this just for cancerous tumors? Or does it effect all tumor cells the same?

What is DCA?

Desperate cancer patients are self-medicating with an inexpensive compound that has yet to be tested in humans, despite warnings of toxic poisonings...

..."We absolutely do not support the use of this drug to patients with cancer any way out of a clinical trial. There are a number of risks associated with it, and unfortunately patients and physicians are exposing each other to these risks."...

...But when the same trials were done on adults, most had to discontinue using it, since they developed severe peripheral neuropathy...

..."So a patient who has been exposed to these drugs and now tries DCA might have a severe form of peripheral neuropathy. This patient might have severe problems that he cannot walk or he cannot touch or feel."...

More on DCA

My experience with DCA increased side effects really started about day 25 when I had increasing malaise and the start of tremors in my hands. Numbness in my hands started on day 27, the day after I stopped my dose of 25mg/kg twice daily. This is neuropathy from DCA, despite my use of 5mg/kg thiamine daily since the start of DCA. The general feeling of malaise culminated on day 29. On that day I was feeling more lousy than usual. Then when sitting on my couch I felt an impending sense of doom. I measured my blood pressure, it was slightly elevated (I don't have high blood pressure), my pulse was regular but slightly elevated above normal at 84 bpm (usually it is about 60), my heart sounded strong through my stethoscope. Cardiac-wise I was doing okay. Suddenly I felt as if my whole body was withdrawing inwards even though I was sitting motionless on the couch. I thought I was telling my last words to my wife. I have a glucometer (that I took home from the office to monitor possible hypoglycemia from DCA) , but I think I no longer was coherent enough to use it. I drank some juice and ate some salad. The feeling started resolving within fifteen minutes. I had not eaten for four hours before. I am convinced this was hypoglycemia.

I have read about hypoglycemic attacks in medical school and have seen them many times in my practice, but I have never experienced them myself. Just like it is hard to describe the color blue to blind man, it is hard to imagine many symptoms that you have never experienced yourself.

I am feeling better today. My tremors and numbness is less and general malaise has resolved. I am convinced these symptoms are all due to DCA since I am on no other medications, including over-the-counter ones.

DCA is chemotherapy. It is serious medicine. It has potentially serious side effects. Please use it with your doctor's awareness and preferably his/her consent, and make sure you are closely monitored by a doctor. Don't do it on your own!

Even though this looks promising people need to take care. Apparently when taken along with other cancer treatments it can be far worse in its side effects, worse even than chemo.

Apparently a major source is a fellow called Jim Tassano. He pretends to sell it for animals knowing he is selling it to people who are taking it without medical supervision.

Because DCA has not been approved for human use, it would be illegal for a website to sell it for human consumption in the US, says special agent Phil Walsky of the Food and Drug Administration's Office of Criminal Investigations. His office is investigating the links between the two sites. Marketing DCA for animal use is also an offence, as it has never been approved for veterinary use, an FDA spokeswoman says.

Even if Tassano's intentions are good, as he claims, you know what they say about the road to hell.

Clearly there needs to be alternatives for those who are dying to allow them to try unproven things. In this case though even the people at the Canadian University featured in the OP video would not recommend using this yet.

If mixed with proven treatments the combination produces profound neurological effect and hypoglycemia. An uniformed person buying from Tassano could easily make their situation worse rather than better. Do people like Tassano care though? Since he hides the fact of why he is selling it, how could he then inform people about the dangers and could he even know if his customers are hiding it from their real MD's who may give them other treatments that are dangerous in combination?

People need to be careful while touting things like this. People who are ill are vulnerable both physically and mentally; even desperate. Too often I'd think somebody who is illiterate on these topics tells a friend out of concern only to make their friends situation worse and not better. As mentioned above the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

People who do not have a genuine MD following their name should never, ever give any medical advice of any kind. Poisons can often have medical benefits but when advised or administered by the unqualified they are just poisons. Even China has outlawed traditional Chinese Medicine raising their life expectancy to nearly the same as the US from its previously very short duration.

Health Food proponents basically find non-toxic items, give them false properties to sell them and then drive home to the mansions they pay for. In this case however this is a genuine drug with profound neurological and other negative side effects.

Of course the University has intention of profiteering off this

Donations can be mailed or dropped off at:

Faculty of Medicine & Dentistry
Room 2J1
Walter C Mackenzie Health Sciences Centre
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Canada T6G 2R7

Please note on your cheques that you would like your donations to support Dr. Michelakis’ cancer research.

Just want to say that personally I do NOT give any money to cancer research. As far as I can remember, and thats a long time, they have been getting money poured in with no tangible results. I said this tho a nurse once and she rebuked that there has been huge advancements in cancer treatment over the years. To me it's bull#, given the numbers of people who are still dieing prematurly from it.

Without changing the subject it kind of reminds me of charities that collect for the starving in Africa. Again this has been going on since I was 5 at school. I remember the 'black' figure you could put a penny in its hand and it would swallow it. However despite decades of collecting cash nothing has changed. Bob Geldoff and Bono can go feck themselves. They make more money out of pretending to be concerned about the starving.

Same as cancer research institutions who claim to be concerned but in reallity are only concerned about their own wealth.

How these parasites sleep at night is beyond me.

Originally posted by endisnighe

Kind of makes me wonder about alternative energy and the like. I read a couple of off web sites that are very close to water to energy. Their theories make sense and the math works. But where would be the incentive to companies, only in the destruction of it.

It's called BC Hydro and it is VERY CHEAP! (not water to eneregy- but about as close as your gonna get at the moment)

reply to post by bigyin

Cancer research saved my life. I contribute, but not enough.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by bigyin

 

Cancer research saved my life. I contribute, but not enough.

Thats great ... what about the millions it has failed ?

Originally posted by angelx666
chemotherapy and radiotherapy makes you die of cancer faster

I donno...radiation therapy cured mine...there are others on ATS alive because of other conventional treatments.

All this bumph is quite tiresome...one friend got laser therapy...cured. Another surgery...cured. Breast cancer...radiation therapy...cured. Brachytherapy...cured.

As a cancer survivor, all I can say is I'd rather take treatment from somebody who has devoted their lives to attacking cancer as a doctor...than some guy on the internet.

Originally posted by bigyin

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by bigyin

 

Cancer research saved my life. I contribute, but not enough.

Thats great ... what about the millions it has failed ?

Cancer kills. You don't measure the treatment by those who die...there's lots of factors that come into play. You measure it by those saved.

I repeat...you die from cancer. Any survivor is a victory.

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